Mourinho has headfecked so many people, the man failed and is gone and some are still seething. Disagreeing with someone is one thing but using their opinions on a former manager as an attempt to invalidate their opinion is just poor.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Never called him a twat. It’s all a fantasy with him.
Like What a flimsy thing to use to argue for your point
You can remove it and everything about him is still just one big fantasy.What a flimsy thing to use to argue for your point
Fantasy is today's buzzword.
Wasn’t Mourinho your guy too? Like every manager that’s in charge of us until they are sacked?
Pretty much.
Attack Haram when you cannot logically defend Ole strong enough.
Yeah, sure... Nothing to do with a set of players who have been patently shown to not be up to it for going on up to 6 years through three different managers.
Like most sane people, Mourinho was dead to me after his self serving post-match Sevilla interview. In fact, I was pretty much done with him by March in his first season where his run to the EL literally bored me to sleep every other Thursday, but retained the hope until that match against Sevilla.
A win masterminded by Mourinho. Ole really has no shame feeding off Jose's success. Fecking fantasy manager.
Are you referring to yourself in the in the third person? Starting to sound like Jose
to be fair @haram I don't care if Ole has favorites and calls him Rashy, etc. Every manager has some favorites and they receive more leeway from them. Ole is of course a fan and most likely he would put more passion behind players like Rashford.
It's probably the last stick to beat him with.
Man management so far hasn't let him down and players still are playing for the shirt and giving their best. Probably the one side of the managerial aspect that works for him at the moment.
Problems are everywhere else - from coaching, to tactics and planning/recruitment.
It's probably the last stick to beat him with.
Man management so far hasn't let him down and players still are playing for the shirt and giving their best. Probably the one side of the managerial aspect that works for him at the moment.
Problems are everywhere else - from coaching, to tactics and planning/recruitment.
Are you a Man Utd fan?
Can we really say he is managing Rashford properly? He has put so much expectation on Rashford, that even the fans have turned on Marcus. Just like the fans way back then, he probably felt all Rashford needed was to be pushed as an undisputed first team player across the front three. So much so that he sells Lukaku. Again, another fantasy.
What about that posts suggests that I’m not? Im saying everything I see and it does not surprise me a rookie manager is making so many mistakes.
If I wasn’t a United fan, I wouldn’t even care this much in the first place. Do I need to post pictures of me in the ground to prove I am a United fan? Would that satisfy you?
To me the points you mentioned are more related to the planning/coaching rather than man management. He puts faith in him and Rashford himself puts 100% on the pitch.
I'm not even sure Rashford would be our striker if both Martial and he are fit. Seems to me he believed Martial was good enough to be our CF. Wrong and naive, but here we are.
Probably the fans are the ones having bigger expectations than him. I can see Rashford slated in pretty much every thread and people forget he's still 21.
Apart from the Ole out part, you cant argue with any of this!
I don’t see how placing that much pressure on Martial, Rashford and Greenwood is good management. The situation Rashford finds himself in is doing him no good. The pressure and criticism is rising rapidly because he has been put in the position by the manager. Or perhaps the board, it’s not very easy to tell.
Not keen to get into that, but if you have a ton of good arguments I’d stick to those, because him being a United fan in his own home is not a stick to beat him with.
When will the 'Ole out' guys realise the problems at our club are a lot deeper than the manager?
I said it from the outset that Ole wasn't the man for us but how does Ed and the board keep getting away with such poor decisions? Ed needs to leave before Ole.
I said it from the outset that Ole wasn't the man for us but how does Ed and the board keep getting away with such poor decisions? Ed needs to leave before Ole.
That’s not my point. It’s just the idea that he was a fan with these fantasies, but when it comes to applying them it doesn’t actually work.
I think many people can acknowledge that Woodward and the board are a massive problem as well.
So the troubles at our club won't end with them being at the club.
Yeah, this goes without saying. My point is Ole supporting Rashford isn't really a criticism worth highlighting. Both of them are United fans and naturally they are passionate about the club.
When will people realize that those aren't mutually exclusive.
Both the board and manager need to go, but realistically can you sack the board? The only realistic way to improve the coaching, recruitment, results,etc is through the management and coaching staff.
I'd gladly sign up for every idea to take Woodward out, but even if the magic happens, Ole has to follow suit as both are not up to the task and are not good enough.
Of course it's a criticism worth highlighting. It doesn't matter if Rashford's a United fan. I wouldn't care less if Rashford's dad, grandad and great grandad were all United legends. He's nowhere near good enough to be relied on to this extent given the aspirations of the club.
Supporting Rashford is not a problem of course. Everything I have seen from Ole is just a big dream. What he felt as a fan (Rashford being an example) just does not translate into management. He was wrong to trust Rashford so heavily.
At that time, certainly even leading into this season, many fans were of the opinion that Rashford was being held back and it was an easy decision to just sell Lukaku. Ole seems to have held the same opinion and it’s just wrong.
Fans at home sit and talk about pressing more, running more, just playing the young players up top. I get that feeling with Ole. That he bought into these ideas which are not very practical when trying to win over a season.
I was fully on board with appointing Ole as i was sure we would atleast see a change in our style of play. And at first it did look like that. Then last season ended terribly and i was convinced that Ole would fix that with a preseason. Once again it looked promising.
Now here we are. Six (? can't even bother to check) games into the new season and we are playing the same shite as before. There is no movement off the ball to give options, so the player with the ball has really no choice but to hoof it and pray or pass to a team mate who is standing still and as soon as he gets the ball the opposition is on their back and wins the ball and we go again.
Also what has happened to the pressing game we saw at preseason? I know i wasn't drunk when i watched the games but did i imagine us pressing as a team deep inside the opponents half? If we did that for even 20 minutes per game it would give me some hope, but we aren't doing that even when losing. Why? Surely professional players should be able to do it for a short period?
And then there is our attacking play. Or is there? At the moment we have no plan for any situation. I keep reading that we are a counter attacking team but most of our countering chances leads to nothing as all the players just run in a straight line towards the opposition goal and thus leaving no easy and clear passing options for the man with the ball.
I won't even comment on the players as that's done everywhere on this board. Ofcourse it helps if you have better players but it would also help if the players had any idea what to do in different situations. At the moment it is looking like they aren't coached at all and it's all just improvising.
Offering passing options in possession, off the ball movement, pressing as a unit and a few different attacking plays isn't too hard to practice for u15 teams so how can it be for professional footballers?
And why don't we put low and hard crosses in the box?? We don't have anyone in attack who's good at heading ( well Pogba is decent) so why do we insist on the lofted crosses which the opposition defence will clear every time.
But after all this ranting i'm still not in the Ole out camp. Yet
Now here we are. Six (? can't even bother to check) games into the new season and we are playing the same shite as before. There is no movement off the ball to give options, so the player with the ball has really no choice but to hoof it and pray or pass to a team mate who is standing still and as soon as he gets the ball the opposition is on their back and wins the ball and we go again.
Also what has happened to the pressing game we saw at preseason? I know i wasn't drunk when i watched the games but did i imagine us pressing as a team deep inside the opponents half? If we did that for even 20 minutes per game it would give me some hope, but we aren't doing that even when losing. Why? Surely professional players should be able to do it for a short period?
And then there is our attacking play. Or is there? At the moment we have no plan for any situation. I keep reading that we are a counter attacking team but most of our countering chances leads to nothing as all the players just run in a straight line towards the opposition goal and thus leaving no easy and clear passing options for the man with the ball.
I won't even comment on the players as that's done everywhere on this board. Ofcourse it helps if you have better players but it would also help if the players had any idea what to do in different situations. At the moment it is looking like they aren't coached at all and it's all just improvising.
Offering passing options in possession, off the ball movement, pressing as a unit and a few different attacking plays isn't too hard to practice for u15 teams so how can it be for professional footballers?
And why don't we put low and hard crosses in the box?? We don't have anyone in attack who's good at heading ( well Pogba is decent) so why do we insist on the lofted crosses which the opposition defence will clear every time.
But after all this ranting i'm still not in the Ole out camp. Yet
My point to. The board are crap but so are a lot of boards. Barcelona included. Hell look at Madrid. But for now what we can fix is trying to get a better coach.
Agree. Ole isn't good enough. But my main gripe is, when will the full anger of the fans turn towards the board? People shouldn't even need to talk about Ole.
You bring in a tried and tested formula, which the Red Bull. They replace Ed. They then make the footballing decisions, which will invariably mean, getting rid of Ole. Or maybe even keep him, if they believe him and his team are up to something good.
But Ed and his board have had 7 years of this and literally no progress has been made. If the managers keep failing us and they get shot of, well the board also keeps failing us, then the owners need to get shot of Ed and his staff.
Woodward and the Glazers are really clever as they gave Ole the job when they knew that fans will never turn on this manager, or create a negative atmosphere.
We’ve picked 4 managers not capable of taking us back to the top. Why do people assume we can have the right board to take us back? I mean how far do we want to go with solving problems? The new board could be as clueless as Mike Ashley.
That's why we have to pick the best. Red Bull have proved themselves and so has Edwin. Plenty of correct people out their, if the intentions of the owners is correct.
Agreed.
United is a PLC mate. What can we do?
Woodward is posting good results on the financial side and that is most likely to continue. He's evaluated on that basis. The Glazers aren't footballing people so they won't understand fans as they won't speak their language. The only language they speak is money and the profits are keep piling up.
As mentioned above many boards suck yet a good manager is quite a big difference to their fortunes.
The reality is that change has to come on the footballing side. We need better, modern coaching and we need better, modern recruitment. The sad fact is that we have to do it in spite of the board or the board finally making a proper choice after 5-6-7 failed attempts.
You do agree we need a change though? If we can't move the board and nothing can be done to change top management (why would Glazers sell?) what is the next realistic action that can make us play better football?
I don't believe 3-4 season under mediocre manager would do it. People moan about us needing more and better players as a counter argument to keep Ole, but isn't this what we have been doing all along under different managers? On what basis we will succeed this time? 3 buys this season after handful of games and still the outlay of our game is as bad as before?
Yeah, of course I agree on everything else you are saying.
My point is Rashford needs a lot of support, especially in a dysfunctional side.
A lot of people are saying he isn't good enough, but who was at his age at a top team to push himself the whole attacking unit. To me he can come good after patience, hard work and guidance.
I agree that he needs support and guidance, I just don't think Ole had handled it very well.
100% agree we need a change.
I said in one of the other posts that if the board or owners aren't going anywhere, then they need help, serious help on footballing matters. Bring in someone like Edwin. Someone who is used to working with a certain budget. Yes I know Ajax is completely different league and is not as competitive, however, look at Lfc. They have brought in some great football by being smart with their spending. This is what we need.
I'm in awe of the Red Bull team. Whatever sport they are involved in, they have the same ethos...youth and development, with sprinkling of experience. This is what we need. I just wish some how we could involve them on some type of mutual grounds. How, I'm not 100% just at the moment but even if we could get them as a consultancy firm (worst case scenario), we would be heading into the right direction.
Not being funny. But how do you expect Manchester United to turn into Red Bull Manchester United? It’s a fantasy and unrealistic. There a reason why they picked the clubs they did. Further more we have to pick the best.. who is doing them picking?
People will go on and on about board, management everything. Once we hire good manager everything will be back to normal. Liverpool fans used to have a go at their owners when they were not competing, then they hired Klopp and now they are the model club to follow.
Shame we hired wrong managers and one time we even saved Spurs from hiring wrong manager. It's just a convenient excuse for failures. Not saying board/owners are perfect or doing great job but fans are taking easy route to blame everything on them.
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