How did he have a higher success rate? Dortmund won the league twice and got to a Champions League final under Klopp.
How I wish I was still innocent as your post suggests you are, in this social media driven era no manager can survive a sustained run of poor form and no board will back him for that long. If the team continues on this slide then Ole will be gone by Christmas at the latest.
I'm also behind Ole. Truly believe we are set to have a nightmare of the season. The seeds have been sown for a better team next year. I believe that, and okay with that.
I think you're naive to think United will sack yet another manager. It looks likely they will stick with Ole until at least the end of this season. Then re-assess their options. Ole seems to have a good idea with regards to what he wants to do with the squad. His signings so far have been good. He's also got rid of deadwood, which people have been crying out for. Which is why I think they could potentially move him to a DOF role, once the right coach comes along (hopefully Poch or Ten Hag).
Exactly, there are too many on here that expect instant success or the sack for the manager. I hope these people dont get treated at their place of work as they want to treat Ole
It would be mental to keep him. He’s a poor championship calibre manager
It’s not expecting instant success- it’s to see signs of progress, to see an identity being developed. Answer to both of those is no & he needs to be sacked. Great player who I’ll always love but not a great manager
Liverpool actually play a very enjoyable style of football to watch? They create a lot of chances, press high and score a lot of goals. So not really with you on that one, sorry?
It is not even the end of September yet you want instant signs as well. Life just isn’t always like that I am afraid.
Signs since he took over 9 months ago, not just the awful start to this season. He’s had long enough to start showing us what manager Ole is all about
Didn't he take over in November? Woman can create a whole baby in this time. I'm sure he can develop a Philosophy.
Which all our previous managers have done. But the problem is, we have an inept board, who are too worried about profits and not the structure of the footballing side. People are making footballing decisions, who have no qualifications to do so.
You have to win now as well. Can't all be long term.
How is chopping and changing players different to chopping and changing managers?
When things go wrong, I mean really wrong, the fans will revolt and seek to blame someone. That someone will be Woodward and he will serve up Ole to save his own skin. I agree with you on the last part, if a good manager becomes available I think Ole will be given the TD role.
I know we both have had this discussion multiple times but my main concern with sacking Ole is , who next? The only big free agent available right now is Allegri and do you think fans would like another defensive minded manager to take over this team. Also, I don't think this squad would suit him one bit. He would need proper midfielder and bar Pogba we have none. I think we have to be smart in appointing our next manager. I hate to say it but this season is a write off. We will win some but we will mostly look clueless. I hope Ole turns it around because he has good ideas but to implement those on pitch is something he has to learn.
Not chopping and changing managers goes hand in hand with not chopping and changing players. Once said manager gets the squad he wants which will take a few windows.
To me out of the current young managers Nagelsmann is the real deal. I've followed him since he broke through and he has really some solid ideas that puts to practice and is a very shrewd tactician who also loves working with young and up and coming players(something that we can relate to being back to our roots).
That might never happen. Ole wants Sancho - he doesn't want to come because we don't have CL. He wants to keep Pogba - he will leave because we don't have CL...
The problem with all the names you haev mentioned bar Allegri none of them will leave mid season so we have to stick with Ole by default.
Agree with all the above. BUt another problem I see is, time and time again we keep failing. Can we attract an up and coming manager, who is performing well? Or will it be like Klopp, a top manager who is out of a job, like potentially Poch could be?!
I don't believe Ole is at all responsible for below average players. During his time we've signed Wan-Bissaka, Maguire and James which look excellent/promising signings.
From 4-5 appointments this is something we haven't done so can't really say we have approached one and we have been rejected or something we haven't tried.
Imagine there’s a great heavyweight boxer. He destroys everyone he faces... then some boxer comes and talks about how he knows how to beat this monster he gives a plan, highlights the monster weaknesses, says what he will do etc. Let’s say it takes 8 fights to become number 1 contender but all he does is lose and show no ability to apply his theory into reality. Will this boxer ever become number 1 contender.
Will tactical awareness and acumen come with long term stay or is it a case of 'you either have it or not'?
No manager gets every player they want. That's not the point.
There's no style mate. Everything he talks about in terms of style is polar opposite on the pitch. You can't way 3-4 more years to get some players and then start practicing it.
Everyone's football demands a strong midfield.
No what we should do is keep changing managers after every sticky patch. Throw money at a new managers plan, rinse and repeat. Great point mate.
Exactly. A manager should be able to first get his team to start playing in “his style of play” and then from that you see the limitations of what you have and buy the players to improve.
Well that’s one strategy Ole could adopt but he can only knock one out every 9 months at best and you are going to have to wait 20 years or so until his offspring are ready for first team and most likely only solve the striker dilemma!
I'm sure it's been many through the years but the most recent one is obviously Liverpool.
To be fair he has had United take some decent scalps. He's guided them to victories against Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, PSG, Leicester and get a creditable draw v Liverpool with an awful injury list but it's the inability to knock over the lesser lights consistently that will be his undoing.
Not quite. They had to rearrange the structure under fsg first and then got Klopp in. Klopp didn't do it by himself.
Depends how you look at it of course. Klopp got Mainz into the top flight. Tuchel, in their 1st season got them to 9th and in his 2nd season 5th and Europa League qualification. Looking at average points per game his stats say 1.41 and Klopp's 1.13 which make Tuchel their most successful coach in Mainz history. Re Dortmund he got them to runners up in 2015-16 and the following year they won the DFB which is the equivalent of the FA Cup. Whether he was more successful than Klopp at Dortmund can of course be questioned. However in the 2 seasons he was there Tuchel achieved 2.09 pts average/game, which is a higher rate than Klopp's if I've understood it correctly. Whatever he's a top manager, no doubt !
This. Sometimes a manager has to build the squad he wants, I am sure having Wes Brown playing RB wasn't Fergie's ideal scenario but he won the CL with that. I think managers need to be creative or adventurous with their squad building and some of the weird experiments can solve a pressing squad issue and negate the need for a new signing. I think, with our current issues in midfield, there is room for such left field options e.g Tuanzebe in midfield, trying young William's at LB in the 1st team.
