he gets away with against weaker teams, and even then not always. He rarely gets away with it against the better teams. he needs to release the ball much quicker than he does.
Pogba vs De Bruyne: who is the better passer?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Pogba got the top level passing ability but he doesn't know how to applys to his game correctly. That's the reason I am saying Pogba needs someone who can lead him to understands his strength and weakness. At the moment, Pogba was terrible in 2 man midfield partnership recently. Mourinho didn't helped him out and the way he did was substitutes Pogba.
Scholes was an exceptional player at United because SAF knew the way he should play. Erikson didn't knew then played Scholes on left side in England.
Lots of decision making he made was wrong, against Leicester, Southampton. Easy passes to teammates 1v1 against keeper and he chose to shoots.
The key words there are "consistenly" and "with either feet"
Im not really trolling at all though. I wasn't even talking about "passing with both feet" either. Try again.
Any single player can be the best only when the rest of the team do well. If Pogba's passes were converted, he'd probably be one of the best CM's in the world. KDB is, because most of his passes are converted plus he has a very good team around him who can make up when he gives away the ball or makes a bad pass. As time passes, he will commit lesser mistakes because he wants to be part of this team. Pogba on the other hand is played in an unnatural position and currently hating the way we play. His current position expects him to be a more defensive player and therefore curbs his attacking instincts.
I rate them both as beautiful players but with 2 contrasting managers.
I rate them both as beautiful players but with 2 contrasting managers.
Your points must be so meaningless that you have to keep it vague.
Go back to your cave. Thanks.
I literally said that he can "cross" with laser accuracy and with both feet which is hell of a lot different than just passing, and is anything but vague.
A person who watches him play would know what I was referring to, stop being edgy.
Pogba could be a better passer but De Bryune is the most decisive player in the league right now.. De Bryune decides games.. .. Pogba hasn't reached that level yet.. not even sure if he has it on him... but we have seen time and again how De Bryune pushes City across the line ..
Just because a team does counter attacks does not mean it is a counter attacking team. You need to learn the difference.
He counter attacked, but he did not play counter attacking football. Counter attacking football is where you play defensively, give up control of the ball and attack on the break quickly to catch them out. Usually adopted by weaker teams because they simply cannot match better teams for possession/in the middle.
Kinda true. I once saw an interview if a former portuguese player who played at top football clubs, who said that the main ability of the managers in elite football is to motivate and to organize the team. You don't really have to teach a player anything at all at an elite club, because they are suppose to have all the technical skills, and just need to win more experience.
But if we are talking about smaller clubs, they can't hire finished products, they have to train them more technically.
I know what you are trying to imply but is not entirely correct.
If you want to classified it under such terms, then, there is no counter attacking team on the planet. To classify one team as a counter attacking team, they have to play every single game on the counter. I don't think that's possible. What i meant by counter attacking team was that they generally set up to counter when faced with pep's team. I think, is safe to say Mou, Simeone, Jupp and to a certain extent Klopp are counter attacking team at that instance.
You are making things way too complicated. Refer to the above.
Well yes teams will change things, but there are important differences. LFC was put into a situation to counter attack often, but they did not play to get themselves into that situation. They played to win the control of the ball and the midfield and they played to attack in all situations. They did not park the bus, they did not give up control of the game, they battled for every inch of the pitch.
SwSw, I'd say it was you who was trolling, you seem to love an argument.
The post you mention said about KDB passing with amazing accuracy, consistently, with either foot. You then gave a single example of a good pass. Nobody is or was saying PP couldn't have made a good pass. So when Blue Singh highlighted the consistency factor and both feet he was making a perfectly valid point.
Check who controlled possession and who gave up possession. City had more than 65% possession.
I think they're both excellent passers. Very little to separate them in that respect.
Where De Bruyne steams ahead is that everything he does is so quick and incisive. You very rarely see him feck around with the ball. Pogba on the other hand is guilty of sitting on the ball for a few more seconds than he needs to.
Where De Bruyne steams ahead is that everything he does is so quick and incisive. You very rarely see him feck around with the ball. Pogba on the other hand is guilty of sitting on the ball for a few more seconds than he needs to.
Well, the question should be rephrased to 'Who is the effective passer' and it will be De Bruyne without question.
at this point in time De Bruyne is on another level than Pogba. De Bruyne is the real deal, finished product. Pogba at this stage is still potential as far as we are concerned. Pogba of course has the ability to be as good, but due partly to his lack of effort and tactical approach from utd, he is a long way off right now. We hope between him and the club they get this nonsense sorted. We will be heading into season 3 with him still talking about how great he can become, he needs to start delivering. A good 2nd half v Everton isn't delivering. He's 24 now Pogba, so he's no kid anymore but still young enough to make the changes he needs to in conjunction with the club to see the brilliant player we know he is consistently
Spot on.
Don't think so. I think KDB reads the game better and that in football insight he is way smarter then Pogba. I think a better manager can improve that quality a lot at Pogba but I don't think it will ever reach the same level of KDB. I can be wrong but I think that Kevin is more into football then Pogba. He wants it more.
I can't say that and it's unfair to say that based on Pogba's persona. I think Pep's system makes De Nruynes abilities more focused where as with us, he has to do a bit of everything and has no platform to apply any of them well.
At Juve he was a monster in his last season under the right conditions. KdB might have a better IQ but he is operating under the system of Pep where as Pogba has to free style. We also don't have any off the ball movement whilst players at City are constantly moving creating passing angles for each other and running in behind.
First of all, i'm not trolling.
Second of all, PP is able to pass with both feet as well.
Third of all, saying KDB is much more consistent doesn't hold since the parameters of the experiment to compare both are different. PP has generally made some good passes when the options are available to him. No doubt, he does screw up at times, but KDB isn't perfect either. Now, if we assume sample size equals to number of times player X can make a pass, it is definitely fair to say that the sample size of PP is lesser than the ones afforded to KDB.
This aged well
Yeah if you only measure Pogba's pass from this season.
The argument is still the same, KDB better crosser and through balls, Pogba better pinger.
Haha, please, lock the thread, don't want it get updated when KDB gets the Golden Ball.
Nah he won't. Players like him, Xavi, Scholes, and Kroos is never flashy enough to get that Golden ball. Modric is an anomaly.
HAHA
This post 
De Bruyne is 10 times the player Pogba is right now and i am not talking about potential here. I am talking based on how how they perform on the pitch.
De Bruyne is 10 times the player Pogba is right now and i am not talking about potential here. I am talking based on how how they perform on the pitch.
Thread is about passing..This post
De Bruyne is 10 times the player Pogba is right now and i am not talking about potential here. I am talking based on how how they perform on the pitch.
Yeah just forget all the passes Pogba had done in the past just because we're shit now.
Great thread bump.
When De Bruyne was missing last season due to injury, no point in arguing.
Now it's Pogba missing due to injury, bump thread.
Great.
Now it's Pogba missing due to injury, bump thread.
Great.
Stupid trolls, go to "Pogba vs KDB" thread and have a laugh there.
Why didn't you bump the thread when Pogba was assisting last season? Weirdos.
Why didn't you bump the thread when Pogba was assisting last season? Weirdos.
Don't bother, the concept of context is lost on some.
Glad my opinion didn't change since then. The comparison was stupid from the start anyway.
Still think this is the best post of thread. Still spot on today
This pretty much sums up the modern fan. Judges our players for every pass made in 90 minutes and the other players on highlights. The grass is always greener and all that.
KDB is the definition of high risk/high reward player. Or how the caf likes to call them... inconsistent.
Have him in this United team trying to set up Rashford or Lingard instead of Aguero and he will look like absolute trash.
It's as simple as that, KDB is a great passer who gets to display his ability more thanks to the team he plays in.
KDB - better crossing
PP - better short passing, long passing, through balls, playmaking ability and overall dominance on the ball
There's a reason why Paul was the key player for WC-winning France team and equally strong Belgium with KDB failed. The only reason why KDB gets all those assists in PL is because he plays for what is most likely the strongest ever PL team and Paul, well... he plays for us. No matter how precise your passing is, there's a difference when it's Aguero finishing those chances instead of "Rashy".
PP - better short passing, long passing, through balls, playmaking ability and overall dominance on the ball
There's a reason why Paul was the key player for WC-winning France team and equally strong Belgium with KDB failed. The only reason why KDB gets all those assists in PL is because he plays for what is most likely the strongest ever PL team and Paul, well... he plays for us. No matter how precise your passing is, there's a difference when it's Aguero finishing those chances instead of "Rashy".