But the timing of this bump is ridiculous.
Pogba vs De Bruyne: who is the better passer?
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Yes exactly. KdB is "inconsistent", same as Pogba or any player that has to create things. And it don't really matter if you give those players the right platform to shine and hide their defiency.
This is a wind up isn’t it? Pogba not in the same league as De Bruyne. Not even a debate.
Yeah there's something about City when they receive the ball, the first touch is always set up for a shoot.
Different team qualities debated for a single player.
One is performing in a functioning team, another is struggling in a struggling team.
More importantly the latter is out of the picture this season and probably hasn't got any form.
Let's imagine a situation where KDB and Pogba swapped and play for our current team.
KDB will be laughed at.
This 100%. No one would pick KDB ahead of Juventus Pogba or France Pogba, but somehow the same player isn't rated as highly when playing for a struggling mediocre team with clueless manager in charge. Who would have thought...
KDB is just a ridiculous passer, Pogba is very good too but not to the same degree.
If you consider his early crosses as passes, yeah. I think.
He is very Beckhamesque with Modric mobility. Special player, never going to argue about that.
Are you sure you are talking about KDB not Pogba? Pogba is the very definition of inconsistent and highlights player. He plays a trash game in which our midfield gets slaughtered and dispossessed of possession but then he makes one or 2 great passes and suddenly his defenders use this one or 2 passes as an excuse to defend him in his performance thread and saying "oh maybe if he has a better team!". Pogba is the very definition of a YouTube player. He makes some great moments during the games that get added to his YouTube highlights Video to wow about it while his overall performance during the 90 minutes is painful to watch and follow week in week out.
KDB is miles better and more consistent than Pogba it's not even funny. City players don't make him better. Him and Silva are the ones who make the team better and more creative.
The only ones who still think this comparison is any valid are some deluded United fans, but we all know the truth. If I have to choose one of them, it won't be hard, and any non City and United fans won't have a difficult time choosing who is the better player in every circumstance and aspect.
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How far we've fallen we have to resort to imagination
I weep for the seconds I lost reading this shitty post.
Are you sure you are talking about KDB not Pogba? Pogba is the very definition of inconsistent and highlights player. He plays a trash game in which our midfield gets slaughtered and dispossessed of possession but then he makes one or 2 great passes and suddenly his defenders uses this one or 2 passes as an excuse to defend him in his performance thread and saying "oh maybe if he has a better team!". Pogba is the very definition of a YouTube player. He makes some great moments during the games that get added to his YouTube highlights Video to wow about it while his overall performance during the 90 minutes is painful to watch and follow week in week out.
KDB is miles better and more consistent than Pogba it's not even funny. City players don't make him better. Him and Silva are the ones who make the team better and more creative.
The only ones who still think this comparison is any valid are some deluded United fans, but we all know the truth. If I have to choose one of them, it won't be hard, and any non City and United fans won't have a difficult time choosing who is the better player in every circumstance and aspect.
Does he misplace simple passes and not bring his A game consistently? That's what the caf mean by inconsistent. Not that adventurous passes don't always get there as that's normal. It's things like lowering your level to those around you. KDB won player of the year in Germany with lesser players.
He displayed his quality with inferior players outside of City
De Bruyne is an EFFECTIVE Pogba. That's the ultimate compliment to give to De Bruyne.
We all know Pogba is immensely talented.
We all know Pogba is immensely talented.
Rashford would be a goal machine if he was in the same team as De Bruyne. The service he gets playing for United is absolute muck. Can’t believe people on this thread blaming the strikers for the poor quality behind them.
The mythical Juve Pogba. His stats are similar and actually Better at United than at Juve
Oh yeah, let's blame the deliveries for all the missed open goal we had this season.
So? That only make it even more important to be in the right place at the right time. Bad career choice makes a huge difference in the way you get perceived inspite of your own individual performances.
The key word is "more"
KDB is in god mode right now. Way too good.
Didn't he get 30 assists in one year with these nothing players? Literally worse players than United. Wolfsburg finished below Everton in their Europa Group.
I'd say they're similarly talented. De Bruyne is a bit more consistent I'd say, while Pogba has higher ups and deeper downs.
There's an awful lot of "you can't compare the too, City is a better team" arguments here though. While true, that's true for all 1 on 1 comparisons. That's why individual awards are stupid. Conditions are different in different teams so it's very hard to compare. That's either always true, or never true, you can't pick and chose. Come on now.
There's an awful lot of "you can't compare the too, City is a better team" arguments here though. While true, that's true for all 1 on 1 comparisons. That's why individual awards are stupid. Conditions are different in different teams so it's very hard to compare. That's either always true, or never true, you can't pick and chose. Come on now.
That Wolfsburg team had a good attack with better movement than this current United team and it was the Bundesliga, a high scoring league, also their backline was terrible. He did get a high number of assists which was exceptional. There is a good compilation of Pogba's passing that lead to no assists but just misses from our attackers. It's not a shocking statement to say his stats would be better in a more attack oriented team
Is de Bruyne a better passer than Beckham in his day?
For me that’s the bench mark ...
For me that’s the bench mark ...
Interesting. Do you think it aged badly? If yes, feel free to state why.
No he wouldn’t. Rashford is terrible and would not even get into city’s squad.
Is this a joke? I honestly can’t remember the last time Pogba had an amazing game. KdB has had a few this season already. I know this is a United forum but Pogba has probably had a handful of amazing games at United.
Kdb, by a long way.
Pogba. Harsdest pass to weigh are the through balls and KDB doesn't really play those.
KDB is the better crosser though
KDB is the better crosser though
Equally strong Belgium? KDB is half the reason Belgium is any good in the first place
Look at 2018/2019 Belgium and the only other player at his level is Hazard.
De Bruyne is a driven angled crosser, Pogba is an over the top through ball/cross field passer.
Both have the same level of technical ability but KDB appears to have superior vision, however plays in a position and in a squad which perhaps presents better opportunities to make key passes...
Wolfsburg depended 100% on him for everything not just scoring/assisting and their other attackers were average. Bas dost is nowhere near the level of martial or rashford.
His individual performance was exceptional and one of the best Bundesliga seasons for a player during the last 20 years.
KDB is the very opposite of a player who needs his teammates to shine. He elevates the players around him.
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How do you know? It is because Pogba fits in to the French team better in this current time.
But you're comment about struggling mediocre team shows you haven't watched much of KDB.
2014/15 he got 10 goals and 21 assists playing for Wolfsburg who finished 4th. Now don't tell me they had the best players and best manager because you would have most of the United team over them yet he produced such numbers.
Stop giving excuses for Pogba, a top player performs in any team. Granted that with better players, naturally they will perform even better..
P.S. He might be playing for a clueless manager, but is a manager who deeply believes in Paul Pogba and has said on numerous occasions teams have to be built around him, so don't act as if he has not been given the platform to do well.
I never said nor meant that. Dost was displaying finishing qualities Martial and Rashford rarely in that season. In order to have a high number of assists, you still need attackers who can bury chances, it doesn't diminish your own excellence obviously.
I definitely would.
Didn’t De Bruyne get like MOTM in his last 3 games?
It's funny because I prefer KDB to Pogba but totally disagree with that last sentence. KDB doesn't elevate the players around him, he does his own thing and adds to the team instead of elevating his teammates, that type of players like Pogba or Di Maria are inconsistent because they are not system dependent but all about individual brilliance. City works the same way with or without KDB but with KDB they have one more mighty spark.
KDB is the best overall passer in the league. He doesn't hit long balls because City don't play that way, but his accuracy and his ability to completely bypass a defence with a medium distance pass or cross is something we've not seen since Beckham was playing.
Pogba is too busy trying and failing to shield the ball from 3 players because he takes too long to release the ball. I know he is better for France where he has smarter runners around him, but still not KDB level.
Pogba is too busy trying and failing to shield the ball from 3 players because he takes too long to release the ball. I know he is better for France where he has smarter runners around him, but still not KDB level.