Sad but true.He won't be sacked sadly. The fear of fan backlash led by Neville and co, will keep him in the job till the end of the season
Which points at a much deeper malaise at the club, nearly all the managers we have hired post Fergie have one thing in common - they were all available or easy to bring in. The only top of the class manager we went for was Jose and subsequent events seem to confirm that he was damaged goods. It all points to serious weaknesses in recruitment and its surprising that the board hasn't been willing to take drastic steps to rectify this and seems content to allow Woodward have his merry way.We are stuck in this infinite loop and somehow not able to get out of it. Poor managers after poor managers, changed the playing squad, managers but still we haven't improved. The way squad is built, managers are chosen is just poor. This job is too big for Ole and he isn't the right man to lead the squad.
With the squad we have, we should be looking for managers like Poch who are very good with young players.
Ole also isn’t good enough to manage a club of our sizeSacking Ole wont change a thing. We have tried that 3 times already. Fact is most of our players either are not good enough or have the balls to play for a club of Uniteds size. He's already started to clear out some of the deadwood but you cant get rid of them all at once. Im still behind Ole 100 %. The players deserve to get slated, not him.
I agree with you there, no way he is happy with the squad. He will not rock the boat in public. The board have let him down badly, did not see Lukaku until late in the window, leaving it impossible to replace him. I do not count Sanchez. Not replacing Herrera was criminal. I hope Ole knows who should be gone, Matic, Lingard etc and will finish with the culling, but the board also have to do their job. Do I think Ole is the man for the club as a manager, not so far.No he wasn’t, he just said that in the media. Do you think it would encourage 3 young strikers if Ole threw his toys out in public ala Jose?
Yeah right, players are not good enough to win a fecking game of football. The clearly weakest area of our squad is the coaching staff.Sacking Ole wont change a thing. We have tried that 3 times already. Fact is most of our players either are not good enough or have the balls to play for a club of Uniteds size. He's already started to clear out some of the deadwood but you cant get rid of them all at once. Im still behind Ole 100 %. The players deserve to get slated, not him.
They’ll have a hard time defending him when we only beat Partizan out of those matches playing awful football.He won't be sacked sadly. The fear of fan backlash led by Neville and co, will keep him in the job till the end of the season
Well he is short of options in the middle but Pereira can play there. Mctominay, Garner. It's not like he has no option...and he should be picking literally anyone over a player who is refusing to do their job. If you pick players who don't give a feck it tells the team you don't give a feck.Who are the alternatives though? We don't have many options in midfield, especially when Pogba is unavailable. He maybe could have picked Garner, but we'd then have had a spine which was and is massively inexperienced. The onus was on the experienced guys to guide the kids through, and they badly failed.
I feel for Ole right now, and truth be told I'm resigned to him eventually getting the sack at some point soon, but make no mistake, no manager would do much better with such a poor and not fit for purpose squad.
Because the club simply refuses to hold the managers accountable for their coaching.I tend to think he's in over his head, but again there's no indication that managers are the answer to the issue. What I don't understand is that managers come with their own coaching staff, brought to train the team, and yet through four different coaches in the last 6 years, all with their own coaching staff, the players don't seem to be going anywhere forward as a team. Even a coach like Mourinho, who did get results and managed to get a group that eventually went in free-fall to second in the league, had the team looking like it was their first time playing together.
How does anybody manage to explain that? How is it possible that all those different coaches have been unable to get cohesion out of this group? The simple answer of the players not being good enough is just too easy, and I don't buy it. The problem is, I have no idea what the actual answer is.
The problem is with the financial results continually growing, technically he’s doing a great job from a business stand point. As he himself said, on pitch performances have little impact on our business ability, so Glazers will be loving him.I'm fecking done with this. This whole organisation is a mess and it all boils down to Woodward and his need to constantly be in control.
If I became a CEO of a huge company and dragged it from it's former glory right down into the ground, making mistake after mistake, repeatedly hiring the wrong staff, finding new record lows every year, while our rival companies thrive I would feel like a piece of garbage. There would be sleepless nights trying to work things out, none of which include solutions to satisfy my selfish needs. Hell, I'd feel so much guilt I'd even resign if I was in his seat.
He is the dumbest CEO I've ever heard of, who in their right state of mind hires someone after a brief spell of good result with no credentials to show for it? Ole has a few good result one after another, and instead of letting him be the caretaker till the end of the season as originally planned, he hires that fecker right away, and surprise surprise the inexperienced, previously proven incapable manager is... incapable.
Ole needs to go and he should've gone months ago. Pisses me off that We couldve landed Poch in the summer if we played our cards right, let Ole have his honey moon period till the end of the season, have Poch come in for pre season and get his ideas through to the players and build from there.
This club is a fecking joke. Now they are going to sack Ole and have Carrick manage the team or something which is even worse.
It's the manager. If we had someone like Klopp or Guardiola and still failed I'll agree that it's the players. All the managers we've appointed since SAF are either clueless or past it.The bulk of the criticisms made of made of Ole were made under Mourinho. What's the common denominator?
One the one hand we can believe neither Jose or Ole coach the team, know their best players or want to arrack. On the other we can think maybe it's the players. What sounds more likely?
Pereira hasn't shown anything this season to say he's someone who should be leading the line at a conga, let alone Manchester United. McTominay, maybe, but the priority was the league game on Sunday so I could see why he was rested. Garner - like I said, it would have led to a mess of a team with little to no experienced players to guide through the younger players. Matic and Mata have a lot of faults and ideally they should be nowhere near, but there really wasn't much choice. We needed an experienced spine to guide the younger lot, and both of those guys utterly failed in their role.Well he is short of options in the middle but Pereira can play there. Mctominay, Garner. It's not like he has no option...and he should be picking literally anyone over a player who is refusing to do their job. If you pick players who don't give a feck it tells the team you don't give a feck.
I think any half decent manager would be doing better, that's the problem. He needs to get a grip of things because some of the stuff happening on the pitch is embarrassing from a manager's point of view, and has nothing to do with the quality of the players.
Having poor players doesn't stop a manager from getting them to work on basic set piece and corner routines, telling someone not to shoot from a free-kick on the touchline, demanding his players press the opposition properly, asking for some basic positional discipline etc. It also doesn't stop him from using his players correctly. The team last night for example was an utter mess...I genuinely couldn't tell you now who was meant to be playing where.
Ed has backed all these sods, sadly he hasnt hired the right one yet.The fact of the matter is that where we are is not all Ole’s fault. He is only capable of doing what he knows and able. Which is where he is taking us and it doesn’t matter how much he loves or cares about our club, he is just not there yet. The fault lies with Ed hiring someone without the required ability to take us where we need to be. When he does hire someone with the ability, he refuses to listen to and back the individual.
Yep, and they've all had far too long in the job. Moyes would have been out by Christmas at any other big club, LVG too. Mourinho should have gone in the summer of 2018.It's the manager. If we had someone like Klopp or Guardiola and still failed I'll agree that it's the players. All the managers we've appointed since SAF are either clueless or past it.
So basically what you are saying then is that we need to replace our whole 25 man squad to get us even looking like a premier league football team.Sacking Ole wont change a thing. We have tried that 3 times already. Fact is most of our players either are not good enough or have the balls to play for a club of Uniteds size. He's already started to clear out some of the deadwood but you cant get rid of them all at once. Im still behind Ole 100 %. The players deserve to get slated, not him.
100%. We are a disorganised mess.Lack of quality in the side doesn't justify total absence of visible style, gameplan and intensity.
This all day. That season we weren't far off top 4 at around the New Year, then it turns out we had £40m to spend and we spent it on another No.10 when already had two in the side and needed reinforcements elsewhere. We still had a good team as some of our displays later proved during that season but it was fragile due to aging CBs and a pedestrian midfield.Yep, and they've all had far too long in the job. Moyes would have been out by Christmas at any other big club, LVG too. Mourinho should have gone in the summer of 2018.
Imagine if, say, we'd got rid of Moyes in December 2013, got an experienced interim and reached the top four? It might all have been so different.
Obviously he will rate each and every player here because all he ever had was players from Cardiff and Molde..
Ole simply has to sign a creative midfielder and a striker in the January transfer window, getting one or the other is no good at all. Waste of time buying a creative CM if there is no one in front on him to finish off the chances, likewise no point in buying a striker if there is no one behind him to create those chances
I have this horrible feeling we will only get one or the other, really don't want to contemplate not getting either because that would make the second half of the season not much better than the first half.
Lack of quality in the side doesn't justify total absence of visible style, gameplan and intensity.
What i really don’t understand is why he keeps persisting with this shit outdated 4-2-3-1 formation. At the start of his tenure he tried different things and formations, from 4-3-3 to 4-3-1-2 with a false nine (Lingard Spurs away for example) to 3-5-2. He seemed to adjust the systems to the players availability and strengths, which imo was one of the reasons for our so called honeymoon period and why so many wanted to give him the job permanently.
Since start of the pre-season he only stubbornly plays 4-2-3-1, which doesn’t suit our players because we don’t have a nr. 10 with quality. You don't need two holding midfielders against the likes of Astand at home ffs. He should see that it’s not working (we’re 10th) and try different things. Steve Bruce for example will have no problem to figure us out atm because he exactly knows how we’re going to play.
Please wake up Ole.
I actually would give Ole more time. The squad is a mess and we're clearly in a rebuild year, so give him the season to bring the youngsters though (which he's done well so far IMO). If we're still this bad in February or March, start putting feelers out to people like Poch to see if they'd like to take over.This all day. That season we weren't far off top 4 at around the New Year, then it turns out we had £40m to spend and we spent it on another No.10 when already had two in the side and needed reinforcements elsewhere. We still had a good team as some of our displays later proved during that season but it was fragile due to aging CBs and a pedestrian midfield.
You are absolutely right, a change during mid season and done in time can rescue the season and change the future outlook of a season. Problem is that this club is in limbo ideologically, even on here you have fans admitting that Ole isn't good enough but still demand that he be given more time to build, I'm like build what if he isn't gold enough for where we want to go?
The only problem is if we allow this to get to March it will be like the post Moyes period all over again where we would be rebuilding but from a position of weakness. Unlike the 2014 summer this is no longer just a blip this is now a sustained decline and it will become difficult to attract the players we need confining us to the players we can get.I actually would give Ole more time. The squad is a mess and we're clearly in a rebuild year, so give him the season to bring the youngsters though (which he's done well so far IMO). If we're still this bad in February or March, start putting feelers out to people like Poch to see if they'd like to take over.
What are you on about? He has top, top players all over the squad!I keep saying this, because I honestly think it's the truth.
Ole has never, ever managed a single world-class player, or even a top-drawer player. There is a very real and very scary probability that Ole actually thinks he has a very good squad at his disposal. Simply because it's a better squad than Cardiff and Molde.
In a nutshell, yes. It's a damn shame if and when it happens that he gets the sack. But no one can say that he hasn't put the club first. I still retain some hope that it'll turn around but right now we're in such a spiral that even one good result and performance might not be enough to turn the tide.OGS has taken one for the team hasn't he. This season was always going to be a write-off and he's sacrificed himself to manage it.
The wage bill was clearly getting out of control, we had too many bench-warmers on high wages and needed a clear-out. He's done that and he's done it as well as anyone could have expected, while promoting a load of kids.
Personally, I don't think he's the man to complete the project but he's certainly done a good job of laying the foundations. Wasn't in favour of him getting the job (and had plenty of arguments on here about it) but have been impressed by him since he took over.
Well atleast you’ve come to terms he will be go soon and thank god!! He’ll leave us in a worst state than Jose.In a nutshell, yes. It's a damn shame if and when it happens that he gets the sack. But no one can say that he hasn't put the club first. I still retain some hope that it'll turn around but right now we're in such a spiral that even one good result and performance might not be enough to turn the tide.
I don't think Woodward is capable of appointing a decent manager, the only thing he got correct was the interim appointment of OGS but then he royally fecked that up by making OGS permanent. It would have a lot better if we had just waited for OGS to finish the last season instead of making him permanent midway.Yep, and they've all had far too long in the job. Moyes would have been out by Christmas at any other big club, LVG too. Mourinho should have gone in the summer of 2018.
Imagine if, say, we'd got rid of Moyes in December 2013, got an experienced interim and reached the top four? It might all have been so different.
