Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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Jesus, this has been addressed time and time and time again which you know perfectly well. Please try to be serious and refrain from the glib nonsense.
So have these "there is no plan whatsoever he's utterly clueless we're worse off everywhere it's all his fault" semantics ricocheting back and forth among his haters here - and the anti-Solskjaer camp are all perfectly happy ignoring those objections pretending they never happened even doing your best in ridiculing anyone presenting a more nuanced assessment than your own.

So yeah - this forum is littered with all kinds of stupid and a lot of people should just shut up and let the grown-ups do the talking - we agree on that at least ;)
 
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Jesus, this has been addressed time and time and time again which you know perfectly well. Please try to be serious and refrain from the glib nonsense.
So he can only be criticised on this forum and not defended?

I’m ashamed to be a united fan some days.
 

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We ain’t got a DoF though so he must be due some credit or is it only criticism he’s due?
He gets some credit for signings of course, not a lot in my book on Maguire and AWB because any football manager kid would make those. James was prude business but how many more recommendations will Giggs have.

If the only defence is transfer business that's telling in itself.
 

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While Mourinho under those circumstances with his resume could do that and did, what good did it do?
For us? Nothing. Mourinho though can now walk around cocky as ever with his head up high quite vindicated repeating "I fecking told you so" over and over again and have someone like me sitting here feeling ashamed I was so harsh on him :rolleyes:
 

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He gets some credit for signings of course, not a lot in my book on Maguire and AWB because any football manager kid would make those. James was prude business but how many more recommendations will Giggs have.

If the only defence is transfer business that's telling in itself.
Fair, I’d like to see him given more time with a full squad available though, we have over £300m sat on their overpaid arses while kids are burdening more than their fair share currently.
 

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3 new players who have probably been the best 3 players so far this season, the injuries have crippled the ability to maintain any sense of form or progression though.
3 new players being the best is damning. OgS has had nearly a year with the likes of Rashford & has shown no ability to improve them. The players hitting the ground running is commendable but he hasn’t turned AWB/ Maguire into top defenders, they’re £130mil worth of defensive investments.

Injuries. He stuck by Shaw when history shows he will get injured & has left the squad with Ashley Young as full back cover. Martial will pick up muscle injuries so let’s talk up Greenwood & not actually start him up front when he’s unavailable.

Players knowing where they should be on the pitch & playing in a certain manner shouldn't depend on the fitness of 11 players. OgS claimed to be happy with the squad, Andreas Periera is our 2nd choice RW. A clueless statement amongst many.

He’s had 2 transfer windows, the 1st you can’t judge him on but when the squad went into freefall last season he was waxing lyrical about fitness & knowing where we need to improve; if anything he had a huge head start on most teams in Europe yet people find it acceptable we only purchased 3 players when the squad is in need of much more.

The best teams in Europe will make 2/3 signings as a matter of course; we are not one of those teams - OgS & the club had a woeful summer. 3 decent signings when you were apparently appraising the squad with months to go last season isn’t something to be proud of.

A rebuild isn’t selling players fans don’t like & half heartedly reinforcing 1 department of the team whilst others suffer.

Filling every gap in one transfer window is highly unlikely but a club of our size with a scouting network of its size & a few months head start should hardly be talking up signing an £80mil CB & £50mil RB as astute business.

Ben Yedder & Tielemans we’re available for the Lukaku money, an example of value in the market.

To clarify, we’re in a dire position, a quick fix is impossible. I expect better of all club departments.
Ole stated before the season had begun that his plan would come to fruition 2-3 years down the line. He has been very open about that to his credit.
He also stated he was happy with this squad to then said a few weeks into a dismal run that he wanted a striker all along.

No realistic fan expected this team to pull up trees; what I do expect is a manager to demand a replacement when 2 senior attackers are sold instead of promoting youngsters who aren’t ready only to bring them on with 20/30mins to go when the team are losing/drawing.

I have no issue losing games on quality, this squad isn’t good enough but we’re not losing because of player quality alone; it’s the lack of any coherent tactics being applied to the team. Apparently a Summer with the players would have us pressing with the best of them, no. He bangs on about ‘the United way’, he seems to have lost his way. We have seen multiple weeks [this season & last] where the team look clueless - this won’t change.

2-3 years? So he knows the issues, he’s had a free run at the squad tactics & personnel for half a season but it’s going to take 3 years to implement his changes?

Most fans are willing to be patient, I would generally be but I for one am not willing to listen to empty platitudes & rhetoric when the product on the pitch shows no signs of what we hear.
 

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For us? Nothing. Mourinho though can now walk around cocky as ever with his head up high quite vindicated repeating "I fecking told you so" over and over again and have someone like me sitting here feeling ashamed I was so harsh on him :rolleyes:
His stock has gone up your suggesting? After Ole went on that initial run he became untouchable. It’s a fickle world my friend :lol:
 

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Article reads like it was written by one of redcafe’s toppest reds, particularly this part:

It is too early to judge Solskjaer. Way too early. He took over at a club that had been thoroughly demoralised by the reign of Jose Mourinho and is still fighting to repair the damage. Some of the revisionism around Mourinho's time at the club is amusing. United were sixth when he was fired and heading south fast in mid-season. His methods were outdated and worn. He was a vanity hire.”

Why is our club becomes demoralized after every manager?

What some of those who still believe in Ole don’t understand is that if you’ve created a poll here on who wants to see Woodward sacked, you would get about 99% for his sacking.
But that’s something that goes beyond football, we have no idea why he is in the job, it defies all logic, pretty sure that everyone here can understand that he should be sacked before the manager.

Good to see the Woodward bashing that started in the press lately (long overdue but better late than never), this could lead to his sacking.
Oliver Holt is actually a decent journalist. Better than that Martin Samuel who I swear is on city’s payroll anway.
 

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I can’t wait until his sacked we can lock this thread and stop having stupid conversations about his crappy recruitment or 3 average players and made up good tactics.
 

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I can’t wait until his sacked we can lock this thread and stop having stupid conversations about his crappy recruitment or 3 average players and made up good tactics.
Then see you in next years sacking thread which it will surely be if we continue on this path.
 

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The Manager in situ dictates who get's a new contract, and who doesn't, Ed or whoever the CEO/Chairman has very little or no say in it, same as it ever was.
Bollox he does, not at this club under Woodward he doesn't.
 

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I can’t wait until his sacked we can lock this thread and stop having stupid conversations about his crappy recruitment or 3 average players and made up good tactics.
10/21/2019
Both great contributions to this exchange furthering a deeper understanding of the matters at hand and not at all just infantile outbursts of no substance whatsoever. I applaud your efforts! Make RedCafe great again! :lol:
 

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Both great contributions to this exchange furthering a deeper understanding of the matters at hand and not at all just infantile outbursts of no substance whatsoever. I applaud your efforts! Make RedCafe great again! :lol:
I think you’ve been enlightened enough. You choice not to accept us or our beliefs. Therefore if you can’t hear you shall feel...

I will remember you though when we play football with actual tactics and players that look like they have a clue. Just so I can tell you I told you so and relegation level managers produce relegation performance.

Disclaimer: the board actually have to hire a good manage for this to happen. Either way I’m a better manager than Ole so won’t be hard.
 

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I think you’ve been enlightened enough. You choice not to accept us or our beliefs. Therefore if you can’t hear you shall feel...

I will remember you though when we play football with actual tactics and players that look like they have a clue. Just so I can tell you I told you so and relegation level managers produce relegation performance.

Disclaimer: the board actually have to hire a good manage for this to happen. Either way I’m a better manager than Ole so won’t be hard.
If I was the owner of Manchester United I would give Ole a well-earned vacation - tell him "no worries mate I'll have you back here by January then we'll discuss those signings you suggested" - take your word for it and hire you as an interim. Just for shits and giggles - to spare Ole what will most definitely be a painful period - and also to observe the surprised and undoubtedly starstruck faces of every player in the squad as they see you enter the wardrobe for the first time fully prepared to illuminate them with your brilliance.

"Good morning lads! You've gone and fecked up - now come greet our new manager!" I would then record everything of course and put it on MUTV - have it broadcast internationally on every network in existence even - and something tells me that even when ending up dead bottom being prematurely relegated straight into League 2 already by the end of November due to he FA deeming us "unfit for football" - most of our supporters would agree it was totally worth it :lol:
 

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If I was the owner of Manchester United I would give Ole a well-earned vacation - tell him "no worries mate I'll have you back here by January then we'll discuss those signings you suggested" - take your word for it and hire you as an interim. Just for shits and giggles - to spare Ole what will most definitely be a painful period - and also to observe the surprised and undoubtedly starstruck faces of every player in the squad as they see you enter the wardrobe for the first time fully prepared to illuminate them with your brilliance.

"Good morning lads! You've gone and fecked up - now come greet our new manager!" I would then record everything of course and put it on MUTV - have it broadcast internationally on every network in existence even - and something tells me that even when ending up dead bottom being prematurely relegated straight into League 2 already by the end of November due to he FA deeming us "unfit for football" - most of our supporters would agree it was totally worth it :lol:
I’m telling you right now.. that sh*ts all over Sunderland’s Netflix attempt. I’m not joking about me being better than Solskjær too. So if you’re interested I’m willing to manage us down to League 2 :lol:
 

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Article reads like it was written by one of redcafe’s toppest reds, particularly this part:

It is too early to judge Solskjaer. Way too early. He took over at a club that had been thoroughly demoralised by the reign of Jose Mourinho and is still fighting to repair the damage. Some of the revisionism around Mourinho's time at the club is amusing. United were sixth when he was fired and heading south fast in mid-season. His methods were outdated and worn. He was a vanity hire.”

Why is our club becomes demoralized after every manager?

What some of those who still believe in Ole don’t understand is that if you’ve created a poll here on who wants to see Woodward sacked, you would get about 99% for his sacking.
But that’s something that goes beyond football, we have no idea why he is in the job, it defies all logic, pretty sure that everyone here can understand that he should be sacked before the manager.

Good to see the Woodward bashing that started in the press lately (long overdue but better late than never), this could lead to his sacking.
Not even an article. More like an attempt at telling people what they must accept and believe. But football is something that the fans are so emotionally invested in and have knowledge about that the media and pundits (who are like politicians) can’t fool people. Most people make up their own opinions based on what they see week in week out, and what they observe from the manager.

The point about sacking Ole now would mean ripping everything apart and having to start again is such bullcrap. What is there to rip up? What has Ole done in 10 months? The 3 signings are widely viewed as great signings for now and the future so the next manager is going to keep them.

It makes less sense to keep an obviously not good enough manager for 2-3 years and then sack him after he’s spent £400-£600m to take us even more backwards.
 

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I think these are some of the arguments of those who said we should keep Ole.

(1) We can't keep sacking Managers.
Really? So if a manager is doing a bad job he should be kept because 'because we can't keep sacking managers '.
(2) We need better players.
I think it's common knowledge that this is one of worst United sides.Do we need 11 Messis/Ronaldos to take a decent corner? Have a game plan? Win Astana, Rochdale?
Please who weakened the squad? Who sold Lukaku, let Herrera go without replacement? Who gave/Sanctioned contract renewals for Mata,Young,Jones(?) and Perreira?
Ole is out of his depth, even if you give him better players, he still can't coach them. A good coach makes average players look good by building a team whose abilities are better than the individual player's abilities.

(3)He needs to more time to build a team.
This would have been valid if there's a clear progress on our play, we look terribly coached. We move the ball very slow, pass backwards/sideways and there's no plan of how to break a team down.If there's a sign of how Ole wants us to play, this point would have been valid.

(4) His transfers.
There's a myth that Ole 'bought well' .AWB and Maguire were not gems unearthed from the Serbian league. They were well known EPL players who we overpaid for. James was recommended by Giggs. Even at that it's too early to say that they are a success at United.

Ole is not the only problem, but he's one of the problems,and he needs to go.

Some of the things we support/allow as a fan base,a quarter of them will cause uproar if they were to happen at other top clubs.
We deserve the Glazers,we deserve Ed,we deserve Ole(the coach).
 

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I think these are some of the arguments of those who said we should keep Ole.

(1) We can't keep sacking Managers.
Really? So if a manager is doing a bad job he should be kept because 'because we can't keep sacking managers '.
(2) We need better players.
I think it's common knowledge that this is one of worst United sides.Do we need 11 Messis/Ronaldos to take a decent corner? Have a game plan? Win Astana, Rochdale?
Please who weakened the squad? Who sold Lukaku, let Herrera go without replacement? Who gave/Sanctioned contract renewals for Mata,Young,Jones(?) and Perreira?
Ole is out of his depth, even if you give him better players, he still can't coach them. A good coach makes average players look good by building a team whose abilities are better than the individual player's abilities.

(3)He needs to more time to build a team.
This would have been valid if there's a clear progress on our play, we look terribly coached. We move the ball very slow, pass backwards/sideways and there's no plan of how to break a team down.If there's a sign of how Ole wants us to play, this point would have been valid.

(4) His transfers.
There's a myth that Ole 'bought well' .AWB and Maguire were not gems unearthed from the Serbian league. They were well known EPL players who we overpaid for. James was recommended by Giggs. Even at that it's too early to say that they are a success at United.

Ole is not the only problem, but he's one of the problems,and he needs to go.

Some of the things we support/allow as a fan base,a quarter of them will cause uproar if they were to happen at other top clubs.
We deserve the Glazers,we deserve Ed,we deserve Ole(the coach).
He has bought well, compared to Jose anyways, but that bar is so low that a one legged cow could jump over it.
The 3 players he brought in have been our best players and our defense has been improved.....if only he had been supported in bringing in even 2 players in midfield and attack to replace the 4 that left.
We have no forwards at all and a very limited midfield, Ole will take the fall but any and every manager would fail in the same circumstances.
 

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He has bought well, compared to Jose anyways, but that bar is so low that a one legged cow could jump over it.
The 3 players he brought in have been our best players and our defense has been improved.....if only he had been supported in bringing in even 2 players in midfield and attack to replace the 4 that left.
We have no forwards at all and a very limited midfield, Ole will take the fall but any and every manager would fail in the same circumstances.
Maybe not every manager would have completely disregarded midfield and attack and spent world record fee on a CB and absolute fortune on a RB? We look absolutely clueless on the pitch against sides much worse than ours and people somehow still think no manager would do better.
 

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Oh no, the “Ole haters” rhetoric has begun. The battle is over, the “Ole in” camp have lost the war.
 

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Pretty sure LVG and Jose were classed at least as “good” manager and they didn’t work out to well.
I can’t remember them ever having us 2points from relegation. So I think we can say they did a far better job than Ole.
 

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It's unforgivable that Ole didn't sign even one midfielder in the summer. Or replace Lukaku who can guarantee almost one goal every two games.

Shortsighted foolishness by Ole.
 

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So now Ole is on the same level a manager as Mou in your opinion right?

Mou didn’t put up with the bs the crap board is dishing out and made it clear unlike Ole who is desperate and just says he’s happy with the squad and smiles.
 
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Pretty sure LVG and Jose were classed at least as “good” manager and they didn’t work out to well.
"Didn't work out too well" back then meant not challenging for the league. Seems to have a completely different meaning now with Ole where apparently anything but relegation isn't too bad.
 

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Pretty sure LVG and Jose were classed at least as “good” manager and they didn’t work out to well.
Yeh trophies & achieving top 4 & beating the likes of City & Liverpool easily in dominating displays under LVG wasn’t good eh.
Sure you love Ole who is boring as hell just sitting deep wanting to counter & getting beaten by West Ham comprehensively now.

You lot who support Ole deserve this shite we’re in to be honest
 

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Yeh trophies & achieving top 4 & beating the likes of City & Liverpool easily in dominating displays under LVG wasn’t good eh.
Sure you love Ole who is boring as hell just sitting deep wanting to counter & getting beaten by West Ham comprehensively now.

You lot who support Ole deserve this shite we’re in to be honest
Calm down :lol:

Replacing yet another manager is what I don’t want when this issues are bigger.
 

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Then see you in next years sacking thread which it will surely be if we continue on this path.
Then what is the answer? Stick with somebody that isn’t good enough to even manage in the Premier League?

It is absolutely farcical that Solskjaer has been put in charge of this rebuild. A rebuild that an elite level coach like a Guardiola, Klopp or even our own Ferguson would find challenging.

But no, let’s leave it to somebody that would struggle managing in the championship to rebuild our club.

The club massively fecked up when they gave him the full time contract. If they had stuck to their original plan and appointed a manager in the summer then Ole would have been sent on his way in June.

I just don’t understand posters that have this unwavering support of Ole. Am I watching different matches or something?

The squad is unbalanced and lacks quality for sure, but it is massively underachieving under Solskjaer.

We look like a very poorly coached team that doesn’t have a discernible style of play or even a tactical plan when we are on the pitch.

What exactly do you expect to happen by sticking with Solskjaer? Do you think that he is suddenly just going to become a good manager over the next few months (he won’t)?

The last thing I want to see is another managerial merry go round, but Solskjaer is out of his depth and needs replacing soon for the good of Manchester United.
 
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