Absolutely certain none of the players will improve under him because he hasn't got that coaching ability at all. I feel for him but this job was just way too big for someone at his level.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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There's 4 players left in the squad that Moyes managed (De Gea, Jones, Young and Mata). Only one of them is a regular first teamer. In fact, many of you guys were taking a dump on the likes of Rio, Evra, Vidic and Van Persie as bad eggs only a few years ago to excuse Moyes' failures. Funny how we were still shit once those bad eggs were expelled.
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Sadly these guys are just happy to keep taking their glazer pounds,therefore they will never ever criticise him.
I personally would rather lose my royalties to the club than ever be a glazer defender like these ex players have become.
People talk about Arsenal Fan TV being bad for Arsenal... we have something worse we have the ex players turned pundit who are clearly very influential in the media and from whom most journalist take the lead. They attacked ex managers like LVG and Mourinho, they attack our players eg Pogba. They are no different to Arsenal Fan TV. But much more influential and articulate.
G Neville is Ole in, if a journo writes an article saying Ole should get sacked... imagine all the ways G Neville could make life hard for him, or imagine the ways G Neville could make life easier for him if he toes the line. He wants an interview with Phil and the women’s England team sure, he wants access to players that Neville’s friendly with? Sure! Pretty much whatever he wants Neville, can give access to, I say Neville cos he’s clearly the leader, but in the cartel you have him, class of 92, Rio.
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Ole is the biggest and easiest problem to solve. In a dreamworld where tomorrow we wake up to news of new owners do you think Ole will suddenly become a good manager ?
Amazing how people completely ignore the articles that criticise Ole and then moan about journalists not criticising him.
As far as talking about ex players go, Peter Schmiechel is the worst of the lot.
He is so biase about our current predicament that in fact I think he is on wum.
In the international broadcast he kept pouring out shite like Ole is doing a good job, British young players, just need time while Michael Owen kept telling him that he can't see any improvement and in fact that United have regressed to an absolute low and you could see Peter was getting angry from his facial expression because someone was just pointing out the truth to him.
They are all shameless and are doing more harm to this once great club.
He is so biase about our current predicament that in fact I think he is on wum.
In the international broadcast he kept pouring out shite like Ole is doing a good job, British young players, just need time while Michael Owen kept telling him that he can't see any improvement and in fact that United have regressed to an absolute low and you could see Peter was getting angry from his facial expression because someone was just pointing out the truth to him.
They are all shameless and are doing more harm to this once great club.
Sacking the manger is the easiest cop out in football. United have done it thrice already with no substantial improvements in team performances or quality of football.
Why not try continuity for a change?
I think Schmeichel is Manutd ambassador, so all he does is pr exercise.
If you believe that none of the above players would be good under another manager then i really dont know, bar Pereirra everyone would be better under a different manager. Do not forget that we stole Fred from Man City and we all know who their coach is. We can blame the Glazers all we want but they dont coach the squad.
Sure, let's try continuity with the most inexperienced and underqualified manager so far. That seems like a smart decision.
And why should he be the one to continue? Why shouldn't it be the next manager?
That’s the mind boggling part in all this. Arguments go from ambitions of top 4, to mid table and I’m sure by the end of the season Ole would have performed a miracle just by avoiding relegation with this lot.
Agreed.
The following were huge mistakes where the clubs in question took the easy decision.
Liverpool sacking their manager and hiring Klopp
United sacking their manager and hiring Sir Alex
Chelsea sacking their manager and hiring Mourinho
Barcelona & City sacking their managers and hiring Pep
If only they had all stuck with Rodgers, Atkinson, Ranieri, Rijkaard and Pelligrini, they'd have been much better off.
I am at a point where i dont know what will happen with Ole. Clearly useless as a coach but the scary part is we have ex players and fans saying he needs time. We have lost more games than we have won this season in the BPL. Ole's record reads 50 matches 18 wins 11 draws 21 losses goals for 66 goals against 78. So i ask again where does this record belong as a coach of MUFC?
I'm sorry how many articles did you say?
I don't remember anyone saying there were no articles of criticism.
I remember saying there were no headline articles on any papers pilling pressure on Ole like they've done with other managers. It's just the order of the day now.
You think Mourinho would have been able to get away with a loss to a team that haven't scored since god knows when, without there being a multitude of articles with big dramatic zoom in photo's of the manager plastered in your face to imply he's lost the plot?
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Didnt even realise it was 10 points. Pathetic stuff.
Likeability/cult hero status
Lowered expectations
Our squad is shit rhetoric
Long term process
Another factor may be that Woodward is unwilling to accept a cock up at his end. But this will depend on how much more time Ole gets.
Yes, I didn't see any articles saying Jose should be sacked in 2016-17 when we were outside 6th and had 15 points in first 10 games, same with Van Gaal when we had 13 points in first 10 games. There are articles which criticized Ole and how it's not working at Manutd and how we are drifting apart. There won't be any reputed papers which talks about sacking manager early in the season, unless we are talking about Sun, Mail.
I don't understand why people keep bringing Jose and how he was treated harshly, he wasn't. There wasn't any paper which called for his sack in his first season, and even Neville, Scholes also backed him. It was only when he lost the dressing room and created toxic atmosphere, Journalists and ex players said he should go as there is no way he would have turned it around after losing dressing room.
For me Ole should be sacked but then I can say whatever I can without holding any responsibility, it's silly to expect Journalists to do the same when they are in much responsible position.
Ole has been working with that group for a year now. A very long time yet we went from poor to even poorer. He had the possibility to change or improve. The squad is not perfect, but in no way is it poor that we are close to relegation zone. And that is all on Ole
But everyone knows a real manager needs 2-3 years to implement his style and make the squad his own. Only then can Ole truly be judged. Or something along those lines...
In their first start to the season, they didn't take over before half in the season earlier and they both had track records so why would the press heap presure on a manager to be sacked after only 10 games?
Ole has been in charge for over a year with no improvements besides the ones we conjure up in our imaginations.
I bring up Jose and LVG because to show the difference between how an outsider is set to a different set of standards to an old boy legend.
And you can't pretend Journalists care about responsibility and ethics when they are always willing to throw certain managers and players under the bus in hate campaigns.
Look at how they treated Villas-Boas during his time at Tottenham in his first season. They hounded him after ever poor result without reprieve until he was sacked after just one season.
So I don't understand how you can pretend these journalists have suddenly developed a conscience of responsibility when it comes to judging managers.
Oh he no doubt is a legend as a player. But he wasn't a great player.Still a good player and for many a legend because of that goal.
I was trying to be polite
So from "Jose was criticized, Ole isn't" to "Jose shouldn't be criticized for his past record".
So you agree that press didn't call for his head after 10 games in their first season? So different standards than Neville went on a rant against the club when there was rumors about Jose getting sacked before Newcastle game. Scholes, Neville and many other ex players defended Jose and even criticized players in the first 1-1.5 seasons. Scholes was critical in the third season IIRC and Neville was still in 'Jose in' gang.
And you pretend there is some conspiracy going on, doesn't make it true.
How many of this squad is Moyes and LVG squads?
From the starting 11 Saturday, who played under LVG?: De Gea, Young and Martial? Rashford can not count him cause he played with LVG for 3 months only. 3 players so, you can not run all the day calling this squad the same team that did not operate with 4 managers. If you say two managers we would believe you (JM and OGS). But it is easy and more accurate to say "with this team we were second in the league 2 years ago" when the sacked one was manager and in my opinion this statement is closer to the truth.
Oh certainly they've failed up to a point. But none bar arguably Moyes has been as catastrophic as Ole. He can and should be getting more out of that team.
https://strettynews.com/2019/09/23/...his-depth-at-man-utd-claims-bbc-sport-pundit/
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...kjaer-west-ham-rashford-maguire-a9116191.html
https://kclrfanzone.com/kilkenny-jo...-brian-dowling-for-improved-attacking-set-up/
https://www.90min.com/posts/6334062...n-regret-putting-the-club-legend-at-the-wheel
https://www.football365.com/news/mails-if-ole-stays-man-utd-could-actually-be-relegated
https://www.skysports.com/football/...t-manchester-united-does-he-deserve-more-time
And there are many more articles which are based on fan's reaction.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-Solskjaers-problems-mounting-Man-United.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...jaers-ability-manage-manchester-united-doubt/
No pressure and no criticism btw, just because Neville and Scholes didn't say anything.
Is our defense that really strong? Have we really improved compared to last season? Why the feck are we floating in the middle of the table? Who is responsible for this if not Ole and his coaching team? There are no managers out there who can get more out of this squad? Are some of you fecking serious?
You're not going to have a Klopp or Pep walking through the door juat because you sacked your manager. Often times you end up with the likes of Sherwood, Andres Villas Boas, Emery, Blanc or any number of average managers if not other failures.
Even Liverpool had to go through dalglish, Rodgers etc before ending up with Klopp and their act came together only after fixing the structure above the manager to begin with, making it attractive for a klopp to consider them.
Does anyone fancy being the next scapegoat for Woodward at United?
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And needs at least 5 transfer window and 800m...
No matter what, Ole had a year to show something positive. Yet he failed on all levels
Don't think they are being coached properly, but good defences usually have a competent midfield in front of them to reduce the pressure. Yet again we have neglected that area and wonder why we are still porous at the back and inept up front.
I don’t get your point? You insinuating we ‘have’ to hire crap managers after sacking current ones? I didn’t know that was a given.
Still hard to see why we conceded though we play with 4 CB every game. Maguire; Lindelof; McSauce and Fred.
Fred can't tackle, he's bullied like a 12 year old.
Solskjær is not a world beater but he is a perfectly adequate manager in a rebuilding situation. He is not tactically naive like people mention out here, he has out thought Klopp, Pochettino and Tuchel in his short tenure so the evidence is there that he is not a complete liability. It would be one thing if he was getting hammered in big games like Moyes or Jose at the end of his tenure but that hasn't been the case and he's been losing to the lesser teams because the options he has do not have the quality to break stubborn defences down or hold down leads and close games, which is typical of a young, inexperienced squad.
The fact remains that he is working with a paper thin squad owing to a lack of proper management and severe deficit in terms of creativity in midfield due to over reliance on Pogba.
You can blame him for it and its not completely without merit but if you want any young manager to succeed at this level, you need a proper footballing structure above them to guide them in the right way.
If the club did not think that was the way to go, they could well have backed LvG or Jose to the hilt, bought some more 27+ year olds and accepted that only a highly experienced manager can handle both recruitment, squad building and youth development while getting results in the shorter term.
You hire any other young manager like Nagelsmann, Pochettino or Ten Haag and they'll suffer the same fate in a rotten situation.
Yes, the defence is strong, United are 5th in the league in terms of goals conceded, same position they finished at in 2012/13 when they last won the league. They are also 6th in the league in terms of goal difference. The problem is that they are 13th in goals scored with 13 goals and 7 of them happened to come in two games against Chelsea and Norwich. The issue is and has been creativity outside of counter attacks and missing penalties.
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Just so you all know, Ole has been full-time manager of this club for 7 and a half months, including 1 summer break and a transfer window.
'He's had over a year' doesn't really cut it when he was only appointed caretaker manager 10 and a half months ago.
'He's had over a year' doesn't really cut it when he was only appointed caretaker manager 10 and a half months ago.
He was appointed mid December, so basically 11 months ago. He had 2 transfer windows, a summer break without a tournament. How much more time do you think he needs to show a little bit of improvement? Our results are worse then ever
He parked the bus and played on the counter against all these. Nothing really extra ordinary here. Good defensive set up but that's about it. That's how small teams play exactly against us, park the bus and counter then score and no one says they are tactically great. Weird that Mourinho was getting hammered for same tactics against big teams but now for Ole it's "out thinking the opposition". I for one doesn't have much problem with parking the bus tactics but the contraindications of opinions between now and 18 months ago is weird for me.
He's responsible for fecking up the squad. He sold most of our useful squad players like Smalling, Fellaini, Herrera and Lukaku, decided to prioritize defense by paying 80m for Maguire instead of focusing the budget on a midfielder and forward. He always said during summer and before Maguire deal he's interested in 1 or 2 singing, one of them was Maguire, which means one more player he didn't get. Was that the one who was going to solve everything? Till now he keeps saying we are waiting for the right target and we couldn't get the one we wanted in summer, further evidence that we were only interested in one more player only in summer. If anything the summer proves he's incapable of building the squad. His management of it was pretty poor.
The only reason Ed is defending him like that is he's desperate for him to succeed to prove he unscathed a hidden gem and all the problems in the club were thanks to Mourinho only. That's why he's defending him more than any other previous manager he hired. He's already feeling the pressure form the fact he fecked it really big this time, more than with his other previous recruitment.
Poch and Nagelsmann have a better track record of being better coaches, building teams and doing well with inferior teams at high level, unlike Ole.
I don't see any reasonable argument that says Ole is good for Manchester United job :
A) Clueless tactically when we have possession of the ball.
B) In game management is terrible. His subs are always late. His reading of the game is very bad and takes ages.
C) His tactics in big games is parking the bus and hoping for a counter. Something people slaughtered Mourinho for and now are fine with it because Ole.
D) His management of selling and buying is terrible. You know your budget and how many players you can get, you prioritize more the positions you lack in than others. I liked Maguire, but feck me, if he knows that budget and after mass selling Lukaku, Herrera and Fellaini, I would have preferred to keep Smalling for 1 more season and spend the money on a midfielder or a forward. It's not like someone else was interested in Maguire anyway.
E) Once we concede first it's literally game over. Look at him saying pee and post Bournemouth game. He said it's very important to get the first goal. He knows that he's clueless in turning up games and making comebacks. The players hardly give any reaction under him.
F) Finally he is uninspiring on the touch line. Extremely LVG esque. Hardly animated and just sit there watching when we go down in result.
So what's the reason for him to stay? He's an ex legend, he loves the club, he needs more time, Woodward is bad, the squad is bad, no one else is available, we can't keep sacking managers.. Etc, etc. Hardly any reasonable argument happening on the pitch says he deserves more time. Bring any manager and let him do what Ole has been doing and there wouldn't have been any division among fans on him.
So caretaker period doesn't count any more? It was someone else supervising over and managing the club then?
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