Erm what’s your point. They got progressively worse. You said 4th 5th and 6th not the otherway round. He turned them from a team that gets their players pinched from a big club to a team that attracts big club players.
Correct - and you see posters talking about how we've turned a corner and are looking better etc. We're playing promoted teams and guys like Bournemouth and yet points are dropping consistently. What pains me most is how reliant on our opposition we are, they let us into the game by changing structure and then you have fans and players (see Rashford's post match) saying we fought our way back into it 2nd half - we were second best everywhere until they took off Mousset and changed structure and whilst everyone is impressed with them punching above their weight so far this season, it's not like we shouldn't be able to impose ourselves on Sheffield United with the squad we have.
That's completely untrue. If the team was winning by hook or by crook you'd struggle to find anyone complaining. You have to remember despite our excellent results last season our performances were suspect. You had a couple complaining but were largely shot down.
Its clearly not just about the players, in many games including today’s the tactical approach has been a total failure. He could start by there, I get you point but judging by how Ole acts on the outside I very much doubt its any different on the inside.
You asked for improvments leading up to Pochettinos arrival - and I gave it to you. They didn't get progressively worse - for the first time in P.L history - Spurs had established themselves as a team fighting for C.L-spots. And true they had one season where they dropped down to 6th, but their point-tally was just marginally worse. They big difference was that Arsenal improved a lot that season, not that Spurs were worse.
Agreed 100%
You didn't watch the game then.
Exactly, they had their worst finish in recent years finishing 6th, with record investment into the team too. So they were on the downward slope. Who said Spurs were a mid-table side before Pochettino?
I still stand by that, sacking Ole is fine, but if we do we need to make sure Poch is the right man or else we'll end up in a similar situation.
And that's the reason Ole will be given a free pass by the board. The Glazers and Ed must be rubbing their hands together with Ole. He's come in, done all their dirty work by getting rid of the highest earners and not bringing in replacements and the blame lays directly at Oles door. Manipulation at its finest.
It's the equivalent of sending Axel on.
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Agreed mate.
I remember them being really close with Carrick I remember them always being there and there abouts. However they have never been this good. So I don’t get your argument. Newcastle have also been there abouts for a while aswell. But if he did the same for Newcastle that would be Newcastle’s best side since Keegan’s one season.
Totally agree. Ole's reached the point of no return with many here. Every scenario can be fitted in to a negative agenda. We were dogshit for an hour and he didn't shy away from that. But that was a brilliant comeback. I mean thrilling. And the Tuanzebe sub made perfect sense. Anyone choosing to look at positives at the moment is an asshole. So be it.
What exactly are you giving Ole credit for? We can back from a wonder strike. Yet again no game plan. The only time he used his game plan he made us worst. First starting Jones then changing the formation back to make us concede again. To a similar defensive set up that seen us concede to Liverpool.
The team fought back. I someone told me that we would score 3 goals after conceding 2 this season then i would have laughed it off. Its not like we can go anywhere and play on the front foot all the time considering the injuries.
But he said post match interview the players didnt follow the gameplan. Surely that would indicate there was one? And im pretty shure he said Axel wasnt ready to play a full game in his pre match interview, hench Jones? Not like there was many options. He didnt change the formation back, he changed it from five attackers to one more holding midfielder. Seems a sensible choice. Imagine the mayhem if he didnt and they still scored
Well I can’t remember a manager taking an L and the team listening to the game plan. No he stuck Axel at the back having no clue what his job was. 3 people marking one man like the first 45 minutes.But he said post match interview the players didnt follow the gameplan. Surely that would indicate there was one? And im pretty shure he said Axel wasnt ready to play a full game in his pre match interview, hench Jones? Not like there was many options. He didnt change the formation back, he changed it from five attackers to one more holding midfielder. Seems a sensible choice. Imagine the mayhem if he didnt and they still scored
What's a game plan to you? 16 touches before a goal?
Yeah tikka taka just like how I set up on Fifa.
Thankfully that's not true, we'd be in even more of a mess if it was.
Phew.... Oles at the wheel so...
I like how you apparently read a bunch of stuff I didn't write and got super defensive. I said that you constantly try to downplay the progress Tottenham made before his arrival to make his accomplishments seem greater. We've also had people on here claiming he had to deal with losing Modric and Bale, and crediting him with promoting Kane (he did help Kane develop into a cracking player, but Kane broke through under Sherwood.) You see straight-up lies, like "Spurs were a mid-table side when he took over" constantly. I saw someone say they had only managed two top 4 finishes in 14 years before Poch, when it was two in five years. I don't know if people just make assumptions, or if they just straight up ignore anything suggesting Spurs were actually decent, but it's incredibly tiresome. It's like arguing with people from an alternate reality.
You're right. I'm amazed Spurs had even stayed up, their squad was so bad. It's amazing how Poch turned this Championship-level side into the juggernauts of club football. To think they had jokers like Eriksen, Vertonghen, Dembele and Walker knocking about. The feck was he supposed to do with dross like that? And that one talented kid? Kane was it? Who had broken through a the tail-end of the season before, I think? Boy was he shit.
so we're still shit even if he's better than Neville.
They were finishing regularly 5th or 6th at best. Finished top 4 twice in the last 15 years before he got the job. Under him they finished there 3 times in 4 years. Their best 3 seasons ever in PL with its new format were under him, when they finished 2nd and 3rd twice. The last time they finished 3rd before that was in 1990, back in the old format. They reached their first ever CL final under him. Whatever way people interpret it, these are all facts and numbers. Claiming that Spurs were making progress good enough when he just came so that they were going to to do all these anyway is just straight and pure hindsight, unlike these facts above. Again, I will like to see who predicted Spurs to finish 2nd and 3rd regularly while reaching CL final when he first got appointed, back in 2014.
Neville probably needed more time and transfer funds mate!
It was top 4 twice in the last five years, the last just two small years before he was appointed.
What's with all the hyperbole? When someone debates something you can't easily brush aside, just exaggerate their point completely?
