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Sun, 24 November 2019

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"Best" coaches in the world don't guarantee success, mate, you need solid club structure. Definition of "best" is fluid, but we did have one of the most successful coaches in the world – Mourinho – before this and it was painful to watch. LVG was also very well-decorated coach but his entire reign was even worse than that of Mou.

Sure, Ole lacks experience, but our troubles are FAR from just coach's fault. For us to start winning again, we need footballing-minded management, not that feck Woodward at the helm. Also, Ole may not be the best, but he is no slouch that some people make him sound, either. Remember - we are THE ONLY team that didn't let Liverpool win this season. They won every other match. And honestly - we should have beat them, won that match. Ole makes mistakes, but he isn't an idiot. A lot of instability is due to team being extremely misbalanced. We should have bought some quality midfielders and at least one more striker. When Martial was out and we were without a top striker, we were miserable.
"Best" coaches in the world don't guarantee success, mate, you need solid club structure. Definition of "best" is fluid, but we did have one of the most successful coaches in the world – Mourinho – before this and it was painful to watch. LVG was also very well-decorated coach but his entire reign was even worse than that of Mou.

Sure, Ole lacks experience, but our troubles are FAR from just coach's fault. For us to start winning again, we need footballing-minded management, not that feck Woodward at the helm. Also, Ole may not be the best, but he is no slouch that some people make him sound, either. Remember - we are THE ONLY team that didn't let Liverpool win this season. They won every other match. And honestly - we should have beat them, won that match. Ole makes mistakes, but he isn't an idiot. A lot of instability is due to team being extremely misbalanced. We should have bought some quality midfielders and at least one more striker. When Martial was out and we were without a top striker, we were miserable.
We are too obsessed with Liverpool again. Let’s focus on our own results.
 
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That 424 formations was very very dangerous. I think we should try this at home with weaker teams:

Scott Pogba
Greenwood Martial Rash James

Front 4 can rotate the positions.
 

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to be fair to ole, who would take jones on loan?
He could have left on free though. We gave him a contract extension on our own will, a 4+1 fecking contract! And people are telling me we cleared the deadwood.
 

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Herein lies the problem.

The club has used OgS’s goodwill with fans to lower expectations to a point of lunacy.

No one expected a title challenge; most thought it would be tough to get top4 but there is no justification for us to be this bad to [hopefully] get better in the future.

Sheff U have done well this season but there is no way a draw away in this given our need for wins is acceptable. OgS has had his good grace with results against Palace, Newcastle et. al. - it is time to show he has learnt & can teach the team where not to go wrong which time & again he fails to do.
I'm not sure it's lowered expectations, as those came after the failure to sign a midfielder in summer. Plus our two best midfielders are out injured.

'Bad' is a subjective term, I remember lots of performances like this one under SAF - it's worth reflecting that if we'd won today, we would have been in 5th position - in effect, we are not due to a clear push on Jones. Such is life, but I'm one of the few here who thinks OGS is doing a decent rebuilding job and I can see a team coming out of this squad with a couple of additions (and a load more subtractions, but that's for another day).
 

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Poor Ole.

He’s got a tough away match against a professional, gutty side. His midfield is decimated by injuries, and he has to play two sub par options in Fred and Andreas. Thinking Maguire can step forward and help dictate play as the 3rd CB, he goes with a 3-4-3. It was a disaster. Lucky to go into halftime down only 1-0, frankly. Sheffield United punched us in the mouth, the refereeing was very poor and we didn’t respond.

Switches to 4-3-3 and we start to play better, but Pereira gives the ball away. Goal. Desperate, we then go on to score 3 in 7 minutes against a side that has given up 9 goals all year. What heart! This is what we have been waiting for, a side that fights when down.

Then he gets criticized for bringing on Tuanzebe. I don’t think people realize that every top manager makes that change. We were essentially playing 5 forwards.

VAR goes against us, it was a clear handball. Furthermore, the first SHU goal was a shoulder charge, a clear foul, but since the fat referee was so far away and the linesman was blind/inexperienced, it isn’t whistled.

I literally have seen 6-7 posts from different Neandrathals blaming Ole for picking Pereira and Fred. Who is Ole supposed to play?? Juan Mata? Mata is the last player you want on that pitch against those bruisers. Matic is injured I believe. He’s got nobody to play a midfield 3, and has to trot out Lingard who should never be a part of a midfield 3.

I know the Ole Out faction in the Caf giggles with glee every time we are scored against or we can’t seem to find the goals to win. Sooner we get him out, the better, they say.

I see progress. I see fight and determination. We need two more transfer windows to continue the rebuild. I’m willing to give these kids a chance. One thing Ole has done is changed the culture. We came up short at times today, but the effort was there.
 

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Poor Ole.

He’s got a tough away match against a professional, gutty side. His midfield is decimated by injuries, and he has to play two sub par options in Fred and Andreas. Thinking Maguire can step forward and help dictate play as the 3rd CB, he goes with a 3-4-3. It was a disaster. Lucky to go into halftime down only 1-0, frankly. Sheffield United punched us in the mouth, the refereeing was very poor and we didn’t respond.

Switches to 4-3-3 and we start to play better, but Pereira gives the ball away. Goal. Desperate, we then go on to score 3 in 7 minutes against a side that has given up 9 goals all year. What heart! This is what we have been waiting for, a side that fights when down.

Then he gets criticized for bringing on Tuanzebe. I don’t think people realize that every top manager makes that change. We were essentially playing 5 forwards.

VAR goes against us, it was a clear handball. Furthermore, the first SHU goal was a shoulder charge, a clear foul, but since the fat referee was so far away and the linesman was blind/inexperienced, it isn’t whistled.

I literally have seen 6-7 posts from different Neandrathals blaming Ole for picking Pereira and Fred. Who is Ole supposed to play?? Juan Mata? Mata is the last player you want on that pitch against those bruisers. Matic is injured I believe. He’s got nobody to play a midfield 3, and has to trot out Lingard who should never be a part of a midfield 3.

I know the Ole Out faction in the Caf giggles with glee every time we are scored against or we can’t seem to find the goals to win. Sooner we get him out, the better, they say.

I see progress. I see fight and determination. We need two more transfer windows to continue the rebuild. I’m willing to give these kids a chance. One thing Ole has done is changed the culture. We came up short at times today, but the effort was there.
I agree on most parts, but the Martial sub was on bad timing. Maybe he should have waited to scored the 4th goal and THEN made the sub.
 
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I was worried when I saw 3 at the back. If Jones is ever the answer, you're asking the wrong question. If they have to play him, why not as a DM? His history is own goals and penalties so he can cause a lot less angst in the midfield. We then have a conventional back line where each of them at least knows what they should be doing and an extra man in midfield where we were getting overwhelmed.

I thought each of their goals carried an element of luck but they were deserving of it. Our goals were things of beauty.

I have to agree with those who ask why bring Martial off. Ole seems to be tactically weak but what about the rest of the staff, what are Carrick and Phelan doing?
 

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This game had all the emotions. Negative ones for the better part of the game but wow that end. Heartbreaking result.

First half:

3 at the back, alright. Jones back and playing on the left side. Not loving that idea. Pereira and Fred a midfield two, not really the strongest midfield you can ask for.

Sheffield start very strong and De Gea having to be world class is worrying. Jones being bullied is worrying. Unsurprisingly it ends with a goal even though De Gea did as much as he could to stop that. Then the stat comes on the screen "Sheffield haven't lost 89 games in a row (or since 2014) when they've scored first. Great, it's going to be one of those matches. Does not couple well with our dreadful away form under Ole.

Conclusion of the first half: I don't know what I was watching. I don't understand how we were setting up against Sheffield United. It looked like we were trying to play their game but our players were uncomfortable playing that way and Sheffield knew all our weaknesses. The only highlight of the half was being only 0-1 down. Front 3 were absolutely dreadful. The gap between our midfield two and those three was too much to be able to play any football. Pereira was weak, making poor decisions and losing the ball. Jones and Williams looked under pressure.

Second half: Lingard comes on. Not overly optimistic but at least we're changing the tactics. Any optimism that might have been left after the first half was quickly removed. Now we have to score 2 goals against the one of the best defense in the league, one of the most organized teams? I barely remember what happened for the next 15 minutes. I was watching the game taped after a very long game and must have looked like a zombie during that part. Could barely keep myself awake. I remember thinking that James had done nothing right all match and it was a wonder he was still on the pitch. He was poor tracking back, he was static and not available to receive the ball. The few times he got involved he was either very safe or lost the ball easily. Suddenly he finds himself in acres of space and his cross is headed straight to Williams who basically saves our game in one strike. There was nothing going on for us but this rookie hits the finest of strikes and Sheffield are shaken. Maybe they were playing too safely? Maybe they took us for granted in that time? Another impressive Sheffield stat pops up on the screen. "The only team to not concede in the last 15 minutes in the PL". Same thoughts as from their first goal, TV sure is painting a narrative for us. But goals change games and United were just a completely different team after that. It was like a new game. "Why can't we always play like that" is something many of us probably thought. 2-2 Greenwood. 19 and 18 year old homegrown lads have clawed us back into the game. Sublime pass from Rashford for the goal, another homegrown lad. 2 minutes later Rashford himself caps off a wonderful attack. Cue Sir Alex in the stands with his legendary grin. "Like the old days this".

Solskjær has to make a change and put Tuanzebe on because Lingard in MC was comical. Maybe that was a mistake because we should have been more ruthless instead of trying to hold on. This wasn't a hold-on type game. We had been dominated for 70 minutes prior and conceded 2 goals. In order to win this match we had to have the mentality of outscoring the opponent instead of trying to shut him down. Sheffield level. These aren't the old days anymore.

Match conclusion: Both managers leave the match unhappy I imagine. Both sets of fans are unhappy (besides some United fans who are just happy for that little bit of heartpounding). Sheffield because they dominated the match and got only 1 point. United (there's only one United) because they made a great comeback only to squander it. 1 point isn't doing anyone any favors. No one leaves this match on high and satisfied unless maybe Williams who leveled up.
 

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The reason to keep coming back is because this place needs a balance in opinion, and right now the fans that I consider to be toxic are taking over the place.

I have no issue with anyone thinking Ole should leave. None whatsoever. The issue is with people who refuse to have an impartial opinion. Praise the good and the bad or you're just toxic IMO.

I'm certain there are a few fans on here who were pleased to see the equalizer so they could spend the evening spewing all over the forum.

This is a long term project to sort out this football club. What happened today doesnt make a difference really. The squad is being rebuilt, it needs to be rebuilt and patience is required otherwise we just continue to go round in circles as a football club
You're right that today doesn't matter. Because whether it's there points or none, Ole isn't becoming good enough for this level anytime soon. Its a long term project but whether that's three years or twenty three depends on the people you have in charge. Ole has done some things fine - such as his signings and his general outlook (youth, pace etc). But in general, in terms of managing/coaching the team, he's extremely mediocre. And I don't see time magically making him good enough.
 

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Terrible stuff apart from about 7 minutes. Ole can get praise for some good subs, but taking Martial off when he did, when we were ruining them was moronic, and the killer blow.
Replacing Martial with a DMF was wise. We were way out of shape when we threw in 5 attacking players, which was OK when we were chasing a goal or 2 but you can't control a game like that. You can argue whether it should be Martial, James or Rashford but the latter help on the wings.
 

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Seriously which player from Sheffield would start in ManUtd?

We have a much much better squad plain and simple, trying to justify Ole is getting more ridiculous as time goes by.
Mere excuses.
 

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Plays a 2 man midfield and struggled, what a shock.
It was these 2 MF, who couldn't protect the ball under pressure, pass the ball to opposition more than our owns, could hardly make a penetrating pass to unlock defence.

McTom is the only MF capable of defending in the middle, Pogba is the only MF capable of making a decent pass. The rest are just passengers.
 
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Poor Ole.

He’s got a tough away match against a professional, gutty side. His midfield is decimated by injuries, and he has to play two sub par options in Fred and Andreas. Thinking Maguire can step forward and help dictate play as the 3rd CB, he goes with a 3-4-3. It was a disaster. Lucky to go into halftime down only 1-0, frankly. Sheffield United punched us in the mouth, the refereeing was very poor and we didn’t respond.

Switches to 4-3-3 and we start to play better, but Pereira gives the ball away. Goal. Desperate, we then go on to score 3 in 7 minutes against a side that has given up 9 goals all year. What heart! This is what we have been waiting for, a side that fights when down.

Then he gets criticized for bringing on Tuanzebe. I don’t think people realize that every top manager makes that change. We were essentially playing 5 forwards.

VAR goes against us, it was a clear handball. Furthermore, the first SHU goal was a shoulder charge, a clear foul, but since the fat referee was so far away and the linesman was blind/inexperienced, it isn’t whistled.

I literally have seen 6-7 posts from different Neandrathals blaming Ole for picking Pereira and Fred. Who is Ole supposed to play?? Juan Mata? Mata is the last player you want on that pitch against those bruisers. Matic is injured I believe. He’s got nobody to play a midfield 3, and has to trot out Lingard who should never be a part of a midfield 3.

I know the Ole Out faction in the Caf giggles with glee every time we are scored against or we can’t seem to find the goals to win. Sooner we get him out, the better, they say.

I see progress. I see fight and determination. We need two more transfer windows to continue the rebuild. I’m willing to give these kids a chance. One thing Ole has done is changed the culture. We came up short at times today, but the effort was there.
I agree 100%
 

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Their central midfield would have played over ours today no worries.
Cant be serious, Fleek, Norwood or Lundstram wouldnt get a single minute here. They play better than us? Yes they do, but thats on their good coaching against our inexistent coaching, player quality wise we are miles appart.
 

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This game had all the emotions. Negative ones for the better part of the game but wow that end. Heartbreaking result.

First half:

3 at the back, alright. Jones back and playing on the left side. Not loving that idea. Pereira and Fred a midfield two, not really the strongest midfield you can ask for.

Sheffield start very strong and De Gea having to be world class is worrying. Jones being bullied is worrying. Unsurprisingly it ends with a goal even though De Gea did as much as he could to stop that. Then the stat comes on the screen "Sheffield haven't lost 89 games in a row (or since 2014) when they've scored first. Great, it's going to be one of those matches. Does not couple well with our dreadful away form under Ole.

Conclusion of the first half: I don't know what I was watching. I don't understand how we were setting up against Sheffield United. It looked like we were trying to play their game but our players were uncomfortable playing that way and Sheffield knew all our weaknesses. The only highlight of the half was being only 0-1 down. Front 3 were absolutely dreadful. The gap between our midfield two and those three was too much to be able to play any football. Pereira was weak, making poor decisions and losing the ball. Jones and Williams looked under pressure.

Second half: Lingard comes on. Not overly optimistic but at least we're changing the tactics. Any optimism that might have been left after the first half was quickly removed. Now we have to score 2 goals against the one of the best defense in the league, one of the most organized teams? I barely remember what happened for the next 15 minutes. I was watching the game taped after a very long game and must have looked like a zombie during that part. Could barely keep myself awake. I remember thinking that James had done nothing right all match and it was a wonder he was still on the pitch. He was poor tracking back, he was static and not available to receive the ball. The few times he got involved he was either very safe or lost the ball easily. Suddenly he finds himself in acres of space and his cross is headed straight to Williams who basically saves our game in one strike. There was nothing going on for us but this rookie hits the finest of strikes and Sheffield are shaken. Maybe they were playing too safely? Maybe they took us for granted in that time? Another impressive Sheffield stat pops up on the screen. "The only team to not concede in the last 15 minutes in the PL". Same thoughts as from their first goal, TV sure is painting a narrative for us. But goals change games and United were just a completely different team after that. It was like a new game. "Why can't we always play like that" is something many of us probably thought. 2-2 Greenwood. 19 and 18 year old homegrown lads have clawed us back into the game. Sublime pass from Rashford for the goal, another homegrown lad. 2 minutes later Rashford himself caps off a wonderful attack. Cue Sir Alex in the stands with his legendary grin. "Like the old days this".

Solskjær has to make a change and put Tuanzebe on because Lingard in MC was comical. Maybe that was a mistake because we should have been more ruthless instead of trying to hold on. This wasn't a hold-on type game. We had been dominated for 70 minutes prior and conceded 2 goals. In order to win this match we had to have the mentality of outscoring the opponent instead of trying to shut him down. Sheffield level. These aren't the old days anymore.

Match conclusion: Both managers leave the match unhappy I imagine. Both sets of fans are unhappy (besides some United fans who are just happy for that little bit of heartpounding). Sheffield because they dominated the match and got only 1 point. United (there's only one United) because they made a great comeback only to squander it. 1 point isn't doing anyone any favors. No one leaves this match on high and satisfied unless maybe Williams who leveled up.
Good post Snow. You're spot on brother.
 

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Cant be serious, Fleek, Norwood or Lundstram wouldnt get a single minute here. They play better than us? Yes they do, but thats on their good coaching against our inexistent coaching, player quality wise we are miles appart.
At this moment in time they'd get games over Fred and Andreas as a midfield 2 regardless of coaching.
 

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Cant be serious, Fleek, Norwood or Lundstram wouldnt get a single minute here. They play better than us? Yes they do, but thats on their good coaching against our inexistent coaching, player quality wise we are miles appart.
You mean our league one/championship level quality players ?
 

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Meanwhile, to rub it in, Phil Jones' former partner Chris Smalling just scored 1 and set up 2 for Roma.

"We loaned out Chris Smalling. We kept is Phil Jones":nono:
 

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One thing Ole has done is changed the culture.
Such an empty, vacuous phrase.

Anything that looks like "culture" and results in us languishing in 10th and being out played by Southampton, Sheffield, Newcastle, Bournemouth and West Ham, even played off the park in a couple of those games, is not any sort of "culture" that we want to aspire to. No amount of "culture" excuses these results and performances.

Culture is not a valid substitute for half decent coaching.
 

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Don't let the comeback or those 10-15 minutes fool you. We were piss poor throughout.
I am definitely not fooled, look I feel sorry for Ole and it isn't his fault that he got appointed on a permanent basis because our board got mesmerised by the PSG comeback.
 

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What does being recently or newly promoted have to do with anything? They have a head coach who has been at the job for more than three full seasons and a stable squad of experienced players. They certainly look better coached but you can’t analyse that as if we were in a vacuum.

Context is always key when moaning or when praising a team. Their total wages may be less but they are vastly more experienced. Wages don’t win you leagues nor does the club name. LCFC had a much lower total wage bill yet they won the league ahead of all the other big name clubs.

Just for reminders, these are their results against the usual top 4/top 6 contenders:

Chelsea A 2-2
Liverpool H 0-1
Arsenal H 1-0
Tottenham A 1-1
United H 3-3

How does that look for a newly promoted side?
They don't care. Only seeing Ole getting fired is what these people think is best for the club, ignoring all the progress.
 

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Poor Ole.

He’s got a tough away match against a professional, gutty side. His midfield is decimated by injuries, and he has to play two sub par options in Fred and Andreas. Thinking Maguire can step forward and help dictate play as the 3rd CB, he goes with a 3-4-3. It was a disaster. Lucky to go into halftime down only 1-0, frankly. Sheffield United punched us in the mouth, the refereeing was very poor and we didn’t respond.

Switches to 4-3-3 and we start to play better, but Pereira gives the ball away. Goal. Desperate, we then go on to score 3 in 7 minutes against a side that has given up 9 goals all year. What heart! This is what we have been waiting for, a side that fights when down.

Then he gets criticized for bringing on Tuanzebe. I don’t think people realize that every top manager makes that change. We were essentially playing 5 forwards.

VAR goes against us, it was a clear handball. Furthermore, the first SHU goal was a shoulder charge, a clear foul, but since the fat referee was so far away and the linesman was blind/inexperienced, it isn’t whistled.

I literally have seen 6-7 posts from different Neandrathals blaming Ole for picking Pereira and Fred. Who is Ole supposed to play?? Juan Mata? Mata is the last player you want on that pitch against those bruisers. Matic is injured I believe. He’s got nobody to play a midfield 3, and has to trot out Lingard who should never be a part of a midfield 3.

I know the Ole Out faction in the Caf giggles with glee every time we are scored against or we can’t seem to find the goals to win. Sooner we get him out, the better, they say.

I see progress. I see fight and determination. We need two more transfer windows to continue the rebuild. I’m willing to give these kids a chance. One thing Ole has done is changed the culture. We came up short at times today, but the effort was there.

Good post, but we have to accept that some fans won't tolerate him anymore.

Added to the fact that Poch is lurking around, they just can't wait any longer.

I stand by Ole, and until we have 5-8 games lost in a row, I will kindly ask him to leave myself.
 

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At this moment in time they'd get games over Fred and Andreas as a midfield 2 regardless of coaching.
You said it yourself as a midfield of 2, they might as well play as fullbacks if we are going to blame only the players for playing shitty regardless of the poor tactics, and Sheffield plays with a midfield of three by the way.
 

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It was these 2 MF, who couldn't protect the ball under pressure, pass the ball to opposition more than our owns, could hardly make a penetrating pass to unlock defence.

McTom is the only MF capable of defending in the middle, Pogba is the only MF capable of making a decent pass. The rest are just passengers.
Well it's far more difficult with a 2 man midfield.
 

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You mean our league one/championship level quality players ?
Literally 7 out of the 11 players that started for Sheffield were championship level until 4 months ago. So yeah none of them would get into our starting XI.

You guys need to stop making excuses for Ole, we could have Manchester City squad and he wouldn’t produce shit, simply because he doesnt coach anything. There’s a difference between a pattern in which players fail due to lack of quality (Norwich for example) and a lack of pattern.

We aren’t lacking quality at the moment, we are lacking proper coaching.
 

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Poor Ole.

He’s got a tough away match against a professional, gutty side. His midfield is decimated by injuries, and he has to play two sub par options in Fred and Andreas. Thinking Maguire can step forward and help dictate play as the 3rd CB, he goes with a 3-4-3. It was a disaster. Lucky to go into halftime down only 1-0, frankly. Sheffield United punched us in the mouth, the refereeing was very poor and we didn’t respond.

Switches to 4-3-3 and we start to play better, but Pereira gives the ball away. Goal. Desperate, we then go on to score 3 in 7 minutes against a side that has given up 9 goals all year. What heart! This is what we have been waiting for, a side that fights when down.

Then he gets criticized for bringing on Tuanzebe. I don’t think people realize that every top manager makes that change. We were essentially playing 5 forwards.

VAR goes against us, it was a clear handball. Furthermore, the first SHU goal was a shoulder charge, a clear foul, but since the fat referee was so far away and the linesman was blind/inexperienced, it isn’t whistled.

I literally have seen 6-7 posts from different Neandrathals blaming Ole for picking Pereira and Fred. Who is Ole supposed to play?? Juan Mata? Mata is the last player you want on that pitch against those bruisers. Matic is injured I believe. He’s got nobody to play a midfield 3, and has to trot out Lingard who should never be a part of a midfield 3.

I know the Ole Out faction in the Caf giggles with glee every time we are scored against or we can’t seem to find the goals to win. Sooner we get him out, the better, they say.

I see progress. I see fight and determination. We need two more transfer windows to continue the rebuild. I’m willing to give these kids a chance. One thing Ole has done is changed the culture. We came up short at times today, but the effort was there.
Apart from the dig at Lingard, top post.
 

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Literally 7 out of the 11 players that started for Sheffield were championship level until 4 months ago. So yeah none of them would get into our starting XI.

You guys need to stop making excuses for Ole, we could have Manchester City squad and he wouldn’t produce shit, simply because he doesnt coach anything. There’s a difference between a pattern in which players fail due to lack of quality (Norwich for example) and a lack of pattern.

We aren’t lacking quality at the moment, we are lacking proper coaching.
I guess the same happened to Spurs, no wonder Poch was sacked.
 

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I guess the same happened to Spurs, no wonder Poch was sacked.
Firstly there’s not even a point in comparing Ole to Poch, they are managers that no one in their right mind would even mention in the same sentence.

That argument of how that coach was sacked or how that other manager failed at some club so they are comparable to Ole is just plain lazy. All top coaches go through bad patches, but thats what they are patches. With Ole is not a patch, is his level.
 

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I think some of the criticism of OGS is harsh. All over the field, our players were failing to execute even basic footballing skills. If you repeatedly fail to complete a simple pass from a few yards, that is not down to poor coaching at this level.

We’ve all suffered watching some appalling performance in recent years, but I genuinely feel the laziness and sloppiness of our “work” was about the worst I’ve ever seen for the first 45 minutes yesterday. It was so bad that I’d be tempted to be handing out fines this morning. Second half we did eventually see a response, but a 3-3 draw still absolutely flatters us.

I still see their late equaliser as a clear and obvious handball. The goalscorer clearly brings the ball under control using the arm BELOW the shoulder. There was more than enough evidence to overturn the onfield decision.
 

Hughes35

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Complete disgrace, no other words for it. We had 10 minutes in which we were brilliant but the rest of the game we were awful.

Love Ole but he just has to go. The lack of team shape and chemistry in the first hour was impressively bad.
 

Viral United

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Never said I was praying for a loss. What a dumb assumption.
Okay let me put this way, Happy because we didn't win for whatever reason is dump thinking.

I also want Ole out but I would never happy because united didn't win.
Support team not agenda.
 

Bondi77

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The first hour of the game reminded me of LVG style in slow motion; It was dire stuff.
If we had won the game it would have Ole smiling after the game and rattling on about Utd never giving up but the simple fact is we only played well for about fifteen minutes and that was because we were two nil down and probably felt no pressure as they thought the game was lost anyway.
The amount of bad balls that Lindelof gave AWB and Jones gave Williams because they were too slow in possession I lost count.
I can only think the tactic was to move the ball slowly at the back and try and keep possession and just try and hit a long ball and get lucky because I could see nothing else.
 

Meep

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I really hated the Tuanzebe change but I understand it. I didn't want us to break the rythm of the game as we were rolling at the time and bringing in a defender would send a signal of fear to the team. But they really should be able to handle it anyways. I think we would have scored one more if we had stayed positive and forward bound but on the otherhand.. really would have liked OGS to not have done it.
 

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We are Man Utd of the 80s: a bunch of individuals that sometimes play well together in sporadic periods. There's no "team" about us. Evident yesterday - Sheffield have arguably less talented players who worked as a team together and outplayed/outfought us for 70 mins. We didn't deserve a draw, they deserved to win. Flashes of team brilliance is not good enough.
 
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Litch

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Ole isn't the right person for the job, not solely because of yesterday's draw but because everyone knew that the team was ridiculous short on players at the start of the season. What we are seeing now is exactly what most of us feared would happen once we had a few injuries.
 

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Score Predictions

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  • Man Utd win
  • Sheffield Utd win
  • Draw

Detailed Results

  • 23% Sheffield Utd 1:2 Man Utd
  • 17% Sheffield Utd 0:2 Man Utd
  • 16% Sheffield Utd 1:1 Man Utd
  • 7% Sheffield Utd 0:1 Man Utd
  • 6% Sheffield Utd 1:3 Man Utd
  • 6% Sheffield Utd 0:3 Man Utd
  • 5% Sheffield Utd 1:0 Man Utd
  • 5% Sheffield Utd 2:1 Man Utd
  • 3% Sheffield Utd 0:0 Man Utd
  • 3% Sheffield Utd 2:0 Man Utd
  • 2% Sheffield Utd 0:5 Man Utd
  • 2% Sheffield Utd 2:2 Man Utd
  • 1% Sheffield Utd 1:4 Man Utd
  • 1% Sheffield Utd 2:3 Man Utd
  • 1% Sheffield Utd 0:4 Man Utd
  • 0% Sheffield Utd 5:0 Man Utd
  • 0% Sheffield Utd 2:4 Man Utd
  • 0% Sheffield Utd 3:2 Man Utd
  • 0% Sheffield Utd 5:5 Man Utd
  • 0% Sheffield Utd 3:0 Man Utd
  • 0% Sheffield Utd 1:5 Man Utd
  • 0% Sheffield Utd 3:1 Man Utd
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Possession
41% 59%
Shots
12 11
Shots on Target
8 5
Corners
6 3
Fouls
13 10

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