Enigma_87
You know who
- Joined
- Aug 7, 2008
- Messages
- 27,654
Most of the goals scored in football are usually due to someone fecking up.Pretty sure the result was 1-1. Due to Rojo and Young fecking up.
Most of the goals scored in football are usually due to someone fecking up.Pretty sure the result was 1-1. Due to Rojo and Young fecking up.
Where did I say it wasn't 1-1?Pretty sure the result was 1-1. Due to Rojo and Young fecking up.
Agreed. Put Pogba and Scott in and we beat most teams. We've scored 15 in the last 6 so there's no point in pretending the attack isn't improving under Ole.One thing is for sure, and that is that Ole needs a quality signing or two in midfield/attack to turn things around. If he doesn't get this/these signings in January, the pressure on him will just increase, and it will be very tough for him to survive until the summer. We need to give him this chance though, or we haven't given him a fair chance to succeed here. It's quite obvious that the rebuild wasn't complete with this summers signings. I actually believe in his project, and will not let go yet because of some first season trouble in an obvious rebuild state. I agree that the squad is stronger than the results so far this season, but there is more than one reason behind the results (Players, manager, board/squad-depth, injuries and luck has to share the blame). I truly believe that we will see better results with players coming back from injuries and a quality signing or two in January, and I still believe Ole could be the right man for the job. With adding more quality and depth in the summer we should be a strong top 4 team already next season and head for the next step from there. If we string a few results now and land the right signatures in January, a top 4 this season isn't out of reach either.
Please evaluate the whole picture, the state of the squad and see a little further down the road than just here and now. Balanced facts and balanced arguments sits better in a discussion than cherrypicking, exclamation marks and insults. (Except the PS!)
PS! "Supporters" wanting us to lose to get rid of a sitting manager are not supporters, they're just cnuts.
You said the result was the possession stat. WeirdWhere did I say it wasn't 1-1?
They wont be at the club next season.Most of the goals scored in football are usually due to someone fecking up.
Got a reply by PM which was equally as long winded as his original post.Quick question @WorksforTrystero, why are Manchester United the only big club in the World that need to drop down to midtable in order to fix their problems?
Is that just the United way?
What?You said the result was the possession stat. Weird
A good result is having 30% possession in a home draw to Liverpool.
What? He called it a home draw, which it was.You said the result was the possession stat. Weird
The bold part sums you up to perfection. You know damn well he didn't have licence to sign players last January as a caretaker. Shamefully biased. It's pathetic.- signings - this has been commented for numerous times. He strengthened 2 areas on the pitch and left us barebones in others - this is not how you conduct good transfer business. The jury is still out on players like Maguire who we paid over the top. James was low risk Giggs recommendation, yet again seems like is made out to be a master stroke for Ole. If you give him credit for signing some key players you have to criticize him for not strengthening midfield and attack. When the squad is in worse shape than last year and he oversaw 2 transfer windows, whose fault it is?
- 28% win rate since March. Games where we didn't have shot on target. Playing youth because of transfer dealings and not enough cover in certain areas.
- Why wouldn't they be? A manager with high demands will ask a lot more of players like Jones and Lingard. They are getting free pass and collecting fat paychecks. Players like Lingard, Jones, Mata, etc got multiple years of new deals under Ole.
So you praise him for transfer dealings yet completely absolve him of any fault for the threadbare squad? Seriously?
I bet if we looked at this place last season, and the season before that people said the same. You can't guarantee anyone will leave, we always find a way to keep hold of players. Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if one or both were here next season.They wont be at the club next season.
Fair. I very much doubt if they will play if kept. Ole has phased out young for an academy kid.I bet if we looked at this place last season, and the season before that people said the same. You can't guarantee anyone will leave, we always find a way to keep hold of players. Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if one or both were here next season.
Anyone with half a fecking brain? It was about as subtle as a brick to the head.well said. i wonder how many will catch the sarcasm
But Ole should be able to do it more quickly than the best two managers in the world or he should be sacked.Got a reply by PM which was equally as long winded as his original post.
To sum up for those interested it’s because ”Fergie”.
Because of Fergie & Gill we left a vacuum so now we have to drop to midtable in a full rebuild of the club. This obviously flies in the face of all logic and common sense especially when the person you are betting everything on (reputation of club, long term damage to the squad, ability to attract talent etc) has no previous al la Klopp or Pep that shows he is up to the job. There is literally zero evidence to show the Solksjaer can do this job.
I mean, I’d absolutely buy into the idea signing Pep or Klopp and saying ”2 years and we might drop to midtable, but TRUST ME, it will be worth it”.
This does however promt at least 1 important question, would the poster @WorksforTrystero have granted Moyes the time he wants to grant Ole?
Why do you think they were sold?United have been selling academy players for a 100 years. The league and lower lower league are to this day still filled with players sold by SAF.... why do you think they were sold?
I know your garbage is about Ole. But just showing you that the club doesn’t tolerate “incompetence in the family”
It's not, for reasons stated by others.Good post.
It's an absolutely dreadful post.It's not, for reason stated by others.
Jesus, we can't even praise posts now without being corrected. How desperate are you to control the narrative?It's not, for reasons stated by others.
His signings are not world class but all of them have come in, shown commitment and been an improvement on the other options for those positions. He has also managed to get rid of a lot of the guys with chips on their shoulders from the club. I look at Daniel James, his energy and work ethic and it reminds me of what Ole said at the start "Noone should be outrunning United over 90 mins".
And yet this still happens in pretty much every single game. Mainly because Ole plays defensive, underdog counter-attacking football that allows the opposition to swarm us all the time.
It's mad. The narrative the board have gone with is, essentially, "I know we are shite but we need to be shite because we'll be good again in the future".Sick and tired of these dumb excuses. Football doesn't work that way. You all have bought into this absurd notion of having to finish lower in the league to finish hire.
It's a bizarre kopout. It's like Jon Jones' steroid testing in MMA, whereby he's testing positive for traces of steroids but the crooked USADA system is claiming that this is actually proof he ISNT taking steroids - it's residue from when he USED TO take steroids.
It's bonkers.
During the final days of Jose, if any supporter was asked who they think he should be replaced by, would anyone have chosen Ole? If we're being truthful, I very much doubt it.
So we should support the decision of the incompetent Woodward because Ole was a legendary player for us? He wasn't appointed on the strength of his managerial record, that's for sure.
The excuses that are peddled out for him, the what ifs, he needs time (Rodgers didn't), the ludicrous comparisons to Fergie and Klopp.....it's insane.
He wouldn't have even been in the conversation mate. If anyone had mentioned a tried and tested 'quite decent' PL manager with United ties, like Mark Hughes, theyd have been derided out of the forum.
What a sad, sad post. I don’t know how someone can read that article and not get it. Simply disregard it as delusion. What an agenda.I appreciate the sentimentality but it's best saved for a more deserving manager with the 'United pedigree'. Right now it just comes across as clinging to delusions as bad as anyone thinking Jose could "make United great again" in that failing third season. Also a bit of a close minded stance and hyperbolic about Ole's time here considering there's debate on here about Ronaldo being a United legend.
Ole's had a year and we've gone from 6th to 9th. I'm disappointed.It took you too long to write this kind of post, page 6, I'm disappointed.
And you know that how?The bold part sums you up to perfection. You know damn well he didn't have licence to sign players last January as a caretaker. Shamefully biased. It's pathetic.
wanna bet? Who is going to take them?They wont be at the club next season.
You like him? I shudder to think what you would write if you didn't like him.Ole's had a year and we've gone from 6th to 9th. I'm disappointed.
I wish he was good. I want us to challenge on a domestic and European front. I actually like Ole as a guy, but we are better than this.
I do and I think my view on it is perfectly illustrated by responses like yours. The piece is pretentious propaganda. It reminds me a lot of Newspeak. A touch of delusion, emphasis on painting any dissonance in the ranks as a rotten egg in The Party.You just don't get the original post at all do you?
Ole isn't as proven as those two and frankly speaking should never have got the job on a permanent basis. Expecting him us to drag us down into midtable and then miraculously reemerge as a PL challenging European Champion is is based on nothing than hope. His current record is uninspiring, we are not really playing well and he hasn't done anything remotely close to achieving what this club demands.But Ole should be able to do it more quickly than the best two managers in the world or he should be sacked.
If you think Ole is a right manager, you are doing gambling wrong.
Why would he reply to your question by PM? That's weird. He knows his sanctimonious argument is full of holes I suspect.Got a reply by PM which was equally as long winded as his original post.
To sum up for those interested it’s because ”Fergie”.
Because of Fergie & Gill we left a vacuum so now we have to drop to midtable in a full rebuild of the club. This obviously flies in the face of all logic and common sense especially when the person you are betting everything on (reputation of club, long term damage to the squad, ability to attract talent etc) has no previous al la Klopp or Pep that shows he is up to the job. There is literally zero evidence to show the Solksjaer can do this job.
I mean, I’d absolutely buy into the idea signing Pep or Klopp and saying ”2 years and we might drop to midtable, but TRUST ME, it will be worth it”.
This does however promt at least 1 important question, would the poster @WorksforTrystero have granted Moyes the time he wants to grant Ole?
You are happy to assert he had the ability to sign player in that window though. I literally think your the only person on the whole forum to suggest that. Even most of the Ole out brigade have more sense. Your just a bit more toxic though so you will make wild assumptions to try and strengthen your points.And you know that how?
I'm not talking about 100m pound players, but utility players, for couple of millions or even loans?
What a sad, sad post. I don’t know how someone can read that article and not get it. Simply disregard it as delusion. What an agenda.
Definitely not doing football support correctly.
Ok, so that we're clear. He needs to do it more quickly than the best two managers in the world or he should be sacked. Because he doesn't have as good a CV he needs to be better than the best. Or sacked. Logic fails on here are honestly staggering.Ole isn't as proven as those two and frankly speaking should never have got the job on a permanent basis. Expecting him us to drag us down into midtable and then miraculously reemerge as a PL challenging European Champion is is based on nothing than hope. His current record is uninspiring, we are not really playing well and he hasn't done anything remotely close to achieving what this club demands.
If you think Ole is a right manager, you are doing gambling wrong.
The problem with Ole is the long term damage his reign could bring Steve, we’re not saying Pep or Klopp would take 2 years as they wouldn’t. I’m simply saying that giving the wrong manager time could be a horrific decision. Surely you understand that at least?But Ole should be able to do it more quickly than the best two managers in the world or he should be sacked.
Nar, in fairness his post count was up for the day.Why would he reply to your question by PM? That's weird. He knows his sanctimonious argument is full of holes I suspect.
Hold on, you said that you are dead certain that he had no ability to sign and now you come with this?You are happy to assert he had the ability to sign player in that window though. I literally think your the only person on the whole forum to suggest that. Even most of the Ole out brigade have more sense. Your just a bit more toxic though so you will make wild assumptions to try and strengthen your points.
I have never said that you are a rotten egg!I do and I think my view on it is perfectly illustrated by responses like yours. The piece is pretentious propaganda. It reminds me a lot of Newspeak. A touch of delusion, emphasis on painting any dissonance in the ranks as a rotten egg in The Party.
The irony for me is, there was actually this sweet poetic feel about Uniteds most famous substitute coming in and also being one of our most memorable and uplifting interim managers. The story and the fairy tale dreaming should have ended there.
We have a lot of sheep that cannot think for themselves.
What on Earth is going on?! This is worse than the Top Red sh*t we see in here.
In a way it reminds me a lot of the back and forth arguments I hear from my in laws and relatives that still live in and adore Russia. Comparing to how senseless and awful and full of terror the rest of the world is. But in their own borders, communism is a ray of light. Oh sure it's not perfect but we have to support it because the alternative is so sad and no way to love.
If you think Ole is a right manager, you are doing gambling wrong.
Depends on what you are gambling on, are you shoving a bet on this afternoon races or are you investing in shares for a great long term future and growth?
This is brilliant! Sums up the other side nicely
You are everything wrong with the Ole-in crowd.A big portion of the support is unfortunately not very bright. The same people who are shouting Ole out at the top of their breaths are the same people who rage in the match day forum whenever Rashford's (our best club-produced prospect since I don't know, fecking Giggs or something) touch goes bad. It is not that they don't understand how football works, they don't understand how the world works. They are more likely to use caps lock and simple language when they write, because they know deep down that their arguments count for nothing – unfortunately this makes them appear louder, and also, perhaps more powerful than those who try to remain reasonable.
Disregard the fact that Ed's words ring true when he says it seems Ole has instigated a discipline that his predecessors declined or were unable to do. That he is diligent and demands everything that they have to give from the players. We know that he gives them bollockings despite his mild-seeming demeanor. We know that he promotes youth. We know that he is trying to get rid of a lot of the players that has been widely agreed to not meet the standard that we require (Fellaini, Darmian etc) We know that he wants (WANTS) to play attacking football. We should also know, if we step back to think for two seconds, that young players are impressionable and that it is more likely to weigh on them, that insane pressure, of playing for the biggest club in England, which to make matters worse, that club has been struggling for several years. So that it is a huge club with a correspondingly huge expectation – too great for where it is at the moment. Which might make them hesitate, not follow the plan, not manage to attack when Ole wants them to, simply because the pressure gets to them and they start to play like robots.
So that we know, in effect, that he is addressing a lot of the underlying problems – he is trying to put the framework for success in place. As it was with Klopp and Fergie early on, their early work led to a oscillation in results between the sublime and the abysmal – 4 nil win against Chelsea is offset by 1 nil loss against Watford, is succeeded by becoming the only team so far this season to snatch a point or two from title-rushing Liverpool.
He seems to be doing everything right, and yet it takes time. Any place, anywhere you go, if you want to succeed you have to do the basics right. Somehow, for some reason, the success is never instantaneous.
Will he succeed? It's an open question. I think the biggest hurdle are these unmeetable expectations, perpetuated by the not-very-bright. Unfortunately their voices are very loud.
No other manager will come in and do better. Perhaps we could get in a Jose type coach to haul us to 4th or 3rd with the use of mercenaries again. But we will be back in the mire soon – he won't persist as loyally with the youth, who won't get the requisite experience, who won't as a consequence become the backbone of a future title winning side.
Even to get us to the top through the plastic route, by spending, we need a vision, we need a strategy, we need a project. But it seems the money is not there.
So we have to do it the hard way, with our youth – who the feck is better to do it that way than Solskjaer?
They say your Poch will come in and instantly make this group of players better? With Pereira and Lingard in midfield? Hah. Don't make me laugh.
And so you will say, but but, Solskjaer let Lukaku and Herrera go without bringing in replacements? Yes, but he is planning long term, he doesn't want to get in just anybody who will do a job for us two years and feck off to some mid-table club in Spain – he wants future long-serving servants, he wants to build a spine.
He is in a word, trying to institute a project.
But, silly me, I forget – you don't have time for that, do you?
Or rather, you are incapable of catching even the faintest glimpse of what is being done behind the scenes, blinded as you are, by the white gleaming sheen of the scoreboard?