I think the uk press aren’t bothered anymore
Solskjær sack watch | 2019/20 edition
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While he's been shite and so have the results I do think our form will have a big uplift once Pogba and McTominay return, if either gets injured again though we're beyond fecked.
It really is crunch time for us. If there ever was a time to make a decision on Ole and Pochettino, it's now.
If we delay on sacking Ole and the current form continues, we risk the chance of another club recruiting Pochettino. If that happens, and we do sack Ole later on, we could be left in a situation whereby we're recruiting another "chance" temporary solution until (insert top class manager here) becomes available.
If we delay on sacking Ole and the current form continues, we risk the chance of another club recruiting Pochettino. If that happens, and we do sack Ole later on, we could be left in a situation whereby we're recruiting another "chance" temporary solution until (insert top class manager here) becomes available.
Before Spurs sacked Poch he was hardly under pressure.
Now they are riding the wave of the Poch switch selling some headlines.
Regardless of what we each WANT to happen, does anyone here actually believe Solskjaer will be the United manager by the end of May?
Really want it to work but we’re going nowhere
Really want it to work but we’re going nowhere
I may be wrong but there aren't flattering articles on United there in general?
So you think sacking Ole and then sacking the next manager before he overstays his welcome is the solution? Based on other unsuccessful clubs, frequently sacking managers and expecting the new ones to make wheat grow out of concrete, ain't gonna work. Yet again, I'll repeat myself: I'm not totally adverse to seeing a change in manager IF we have a long term strategy in place. We haven't even hired our DoF yet.
Yup, there seems to be some fallacy around these parts that no manager will do any better than Ole. Yes, our squad is a mess and our owners / hierarchy should really feck off, but unfortunately that doesn’t look like happening anytime soon. Our squad may well be awful, but I’m sorry, it’s better than what Ole has shown.
I mean Liverpool’s midfield, by and large, is pretty underwhelming. Guess what, they have a world class manager that can get the best out of his players. Look at Marco Rose, he took over a Gladbach side who finished 5th last season and currently has them top of the Bundesliga after one transfer window and some shrewd signings. Thing is, the squad is largely the same but he’s instilled a philosophy into them and has them playing a certain style after a matter of months in the job. Much like Rodgers Leicester who lost his apparent ‘best’ defender but has Leicester playing lovely stuff with the best defensive record in England. Good managers can motivate and instill a style of play into a team fairly quickly, I see literally none of this under Ole.
I don’t post in this thread too often due to the sheer level of delusion and I can’t be bothered getting into repetitive arguments. But some of the excuses made for Ole are beyond ridiculous. Yes, managers have taken over far worse squads than ours and improved them after one transfer window. These bizarre narratives that no manager has ever done this need to stop. I don’t look forward to our games anymore and all we’re doing is falling further behind sides that are employing managers that want to play modern progressive football.
Try answer the points I raise. What good would it do sacking Ole a few days before we play Spurs and City? Well? The answer you're looking for is it would do no good at all. We will go into both games as underdogs, especially at the Etihad. Do you think we would fare any better having another caretaker manager? News flash. We aren't getting Poch (yet).
Firstly I just want to say that OGS is a united legend and always will be for what he did as a PLAYER.
Sadly that’s where it stops because this romantic idea that this club legend can make us great again is driven only by nostalgia and not by his ability as a coach. Does he need to be relieved of his duties? Yes is the answer and ASAP. Why? well here is my opinion for what it’s worth.
If OGS had never played for this club he would be nowhere near the United job. If he had got the job as someone who was not already a club legend and results and performances had gone like they are now then I feel that all united fans (match going fans, internet fans etc. All fans none the same) would be toxic and demanding he be sacked. This is a manager(we are not talking about OGS the player) who got Cardiff relegated for fecks sake, what the hell is he doing managing United, he should never have got the job, ever.
I can not see or understand what are tactics are, can not see a player who has improved under OGS and do not trust OGS to deliver what the ‘long term strategy’ of the club is. I do however king of agree with aspects of the long term strategy of the club is. Sign young and up and coming British players seems like a ok idea when you consider the sheer amount of money that we have wasted on players like ADM, Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez (wages), Depay etc. It’s criminal. Signing these players at the the time felt exciting in a way but also didn’t quite feel or sit right as there was clearly no pattern in the type of player we signed. Our crop of young players coming through also seem to be the best we have had in a few years. Mctominay, Gomes, axel tuz, Gardner, Williams, Henderson all seem like they could have a good future at united if, and only if, they were being coached by a good manager. Sadly OGS the manager is not the man to lead the clubs vision, not now, not ever. He is an incredibly annoying manager with his ridiculous cliches in his interviews that are more cringe worthy than what moyes used to say. I hate to say I can’t stand him as a manager, strong words I know for a playing club legend, but from the cliches to the stupid smug smile when we lose to the really really boring football we have to see every god dam week is now beyond shit and annoying.
Who do we get to replace him? I think we need someone who knows the league, knows what it’s like to play 2-3 games in 7 days, knows how to improve average to good players to be the best they can be, knows how to integrate young players into the 1st team, has a clear style of football. For me that player is Poch. Yes I know he didn’t win anything at spurs but look what he did do. Did they have a clear style of play? Yes. Did he bring young players through to the 1st team? Yes. Did he improve existing players? Yes. Did he quickly get rid of deadwood? Yes. Was he successful? If you look at what amounts to success for spurs then he won the lot by qualifying for the champions league year after year on a shoe string budget. So was he successful, Yes.
OGS you are and always will be a complete legend for what you did as a player, for that I can only say thank you for giving me so many memories that I will cherish forever. But as a manager I’m afraid that you are not good enough and this romantic idea of you as manager which is only driven by nostalgia has to stop and stop now.
Sadly that’s where it stops because this romantic idea that this club legend can make us great again is driven only by nostalgia and not by his ability as a coach. Does he need to be relieved of his duties? Yes is the answer and ASAP. Why? well here is my opinion for what it’s worth.
If OGS had never played for this club he would be nowhere near the United job. If he had got the job as someone who was not already a club legend and results and performances had gone like they are now then I feel that all united fans (match going fans, internet fans etc. All fans none the same) would be toxic and demanding he be sacked. This is a manager(we are not talking about OGS the player) who got Cardiff relegated for fecks sake, what the hell is he doing managing United, he should never have got the job, ever.
I can not see or understand what are tactics are, can not see a player who has improved under OGS and do not trust OGS to deliver what the ‘long term strategy’ of the club is. I do however king of agree with aspects of the long term strategy of the club is. Sign young and up and coming British players seems like a ok idea when you consider the sheer amount of money that we have wasted on players like ADM, Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez (wages), Depay etc. It’s criminal. Signing these players at the the time felt exciting in a way but also didn’t quite feel or sit right as there was clearly no pattern in the type of player we signed. Our crop of young players coming through also seem to be the best we have had in a few years. Mctominay, Gomes, axel tuz, Gardner, Williams, Henderson all seem like they could have a good future at united if, and only if, they were being coached by a good manager. Sadly OGS the manager is not the man to lead the clubs vision, not now, not ever. He is an incredibly annoying manager with his ridiculous cliches in his interviews that are more cringe worthy than what moyes used to say. I hate to say I can’t stand him as a manager, strong words I know for a playing club legend, but from the cliches to the stupid smug smile when we lose to the really really boring football we have to see every god dam week is now beyond shit and annoying.
Who do we get to replace him? I think we need someone who knows the league, knows what it’s like to play 2-3 games in 7 days, knows how to improve average to good players to be the best they can be, knows how to integrate young players into the 1st team, has a clear style of football. For me that player is Poch. Yes I know he didn’t win anything at spurs but look what he did do. Did they have a clear style of play? Yes. Did he bring young players through to the 1st team? Yes. Did he improve existing players? Yes. Did he quickly get rid of deadwood? Yes. Was he successful? If you look at what amounts to success for spurs then he won the lot by qualifying for the champions league year after year on a shoe string budget. So was he successful, Yes.
OGS you are and always will be a complete legend for what you did as a player, for that I can only say thank you for giving me so many memories that I will cherish forever. But as a manager I’m afraid that you are not good enough and this romantic idea of you as manager which is only driven by nostalgia has to stop and stop now.
We are going into both games as underdogs anyway. Sacking him now may at least give us a new manager bounce for a few games which is more than we’ve currently got
Outplayed in large periods of our last two games against newly promoted sides.
Nice guy, but surely the clock is ticking. I've wanted him sacked for a while but I'm trying to look for positives signs, but our performances are not bringing any.
Nice guy, but surely the clock is ticking. I've wanted him sacked for a while but I'm trying to look for positives signs, but our performances are not bringing any.
So who do we get in then? What if Poch can't move anywhere until summer. So we sack Ole then what..
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No. We've had a lower netspend in the last 2 summers than some midtable clubs. It's on both woody and Ole. Ole has to put pressure on woody to get him the players needed to compete.
Draw to Sheff United, draw to Aston Villa, a battering off Tottenham and City will lose him his job, if not right away within the next couple of games after that.
I don't want that to happen but it's hard to see past that actually happening at this point.
I don't want that to happen but it's hard to see past that actually happening at this point.
We're highly unlikely to ever challenge for titles under Ole. However many are desperate to get Poch in who didn't challenge for titles with a squad far better than anything we're likely to have for at least a couple of years.
I don't know how we could possibly know that. Having seen what we had spent previously, and what previous managers have said about our structure, I think it's fairer to assume our main issues in the transfer market in Woody, and not Ole.
Have you considered cryotherapy?
Anyone willing to let this experiment go on is bonkers as far as I’m concerned. There’s literally nothing to be positive about. The board won’t do a thing. We just have to see how really bad this can get. Another 8 hours down the drain today. Can’t wait for Wednesday.
How many minutes have our youngsters played this season though? I'd say their midfield is definitely better, clearly but otherwise were fairly even I'd say. They lost their best player too. It six of one and half of dozen of the other between us and Chelsea, at least what it looked like at the start of the season. Hindsight is great, now that one is performing and the other is not. We got injuries, they didn't -- that's football. I'm not saying it's squarely on Ole but there was Tielemans available and easily gettable. van der beek would have been really a decent addition too. Look there are a lot of options out there for very reasonable prices. This is on the board but Ole also has to shoulder some of the blame. He had from December to identify and prioritise. I'm sure you agree that this is what competent people do. If you don't questions have to asked whenever there is an injury crisis and inevitably shit hits the fan. Again, is it all on Ole? No. But I completely sympathise with whom he has to work. Ed and Judge are useless cnuts when it comes to football. They appease fans and create a lot of noise about getting a DOF when the manager gets sacked. Happened with Van Gaal, happened with Jose and I can bet my house on it that it will happen when Ole goes. Mourinho got fecked by our board the day they didn't support him in the transfer market. Ole got fecked this summer. This is the current state of Man United. Jose had to go because the place got incredibly toxic and it was clear that him and the board were on a collision course. The results were pretty shit too. Ole has to go because ultimately the results aren't good enough and good managers are available right now. Pochettino despite his miserable end at Spurs did very well with them for 4 seasons. I think he will get better results than Ole so that's one option. I cannot believe I'd ever utter these words but Brenda is doing a brilliant job at Leicester 9 months in after losing one their key players. I mean was their squad so much better than ours? They have a compitetent board but Puel was sacked because they were awful on the pitch, yet Rodgers came in and made them play really exciting football straight away and with fantastic results. I'd absolutely take him over Ole and I guarantee you if we sack Ole and offer him to manage United he'd up M60 before we end the phone call. Just look at how he jumped from Celtic to see that he'd have no problem doing it again. There is two managers there. There is a manager at Ajax who is fantastic at bringing through youth, I'm sure he'd interested. The problems are much more deep rooted than Ole but that doesn't mean he isn't a problem also. With Ole, and his 28% win results, its clearly not working and now we had enough time to see that. I'm sorry but he has to go.
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Even if we do sack Ole, it's not like we're gonna get a better manager than Mourinho. Club is a shambles.
At this point sacking him doesn’t fix anything. Whoever inherits the team will need more players, that is crystal clear. So the question is whether to give the reins to a new manager now so that new manager has at least an opportunity to have an effect in the January transfer window. But if so, that would mean the club abandoning the current recruitment strategy. I just don’t think the club is ready to abandon the advice of ex-players and dump the current recruitment strategy just yet. I also think that while Ole is bears responsibility for the summer transfers and leaving our midfield depleted, it is hard to judge him as a manager with such a depleted team. He will get more time.
I've never seen a manager trying to sabotage his season so much so he could get his 25 mil payout before. He had to go.
Pretty much. Though what constitutes pressure in England is probably different than ESPN's version of pressure, at least for this sport.
Pretty much. And persisting with out of depth managers is a trait of unsuccessful clubs, so that argument doesn't hold weight. My argument at least shows results. We saw it with Liverpool landing Klopp after their merry go round. Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Juve... need not explain. Chelsea have progressive success with Lampard after their merry go round. Even Leicester had a short merry go round before they landed Rodgers, who have them performing very well. Arsenal even seems to have learned their lesson with persisting too long considering how quickly they sacked Emery once it became clear he wasn't cut for the job. We'll see who they appoint next, and if that manager is bad, they'll likely sack him too. If they get a good one, then it completely justifies sacking Emery. We don't have to be Madrid levels of trigger happy sacking, but when it becomes clear that there is no progress made, it's time to try the next man.
Keeping him doesn’t fix anything that’s for sure. I’m not convinced there is much of a recruitment strategy but if there is then new manager can carry it on.
Only a blind man would have thought this squad had enough depth at the begining of the season, process or not this was seen from a mile away. This attack and this midfield was never good enough or as well manned as you need for a long and hard season. Martial out and we couldn't score to save our lives. Pogba out and we struggle even more and now with McT also injured we are left with Fred and fecking Pereira as a starting pair. Both Ed and Ole should habe walked for that, if it wasn't Ole he should have left on his own.
What do you want him to say? Managers say all kinds when results aren't good and it's really nothing to take from it.He is so fecking deluded. He will never win 4 games in a row as a permanent manager, not even in League one. He really thinks managing is easy, just winning a few games and the rest will somehow work outhe hasnt got a clue what he is doing or what he is supposed to do. You are a manager, not a fan who won a lottery and is strolling around at the club. Painful, he is turning into a worse version of Moyes.
Sadly, I think I agree. I do think he deserves more time to turn it around and in some respects, I believe he is taking us in the right direction. He is shaping a squad that is far more cohesive and far more exciting with the inclusion of the youth than in recent years. However, I feel he is only capable of taking us some of the way and that Poch could take this squad further. Do we just need to be ruthless and make that happen either now or at the end of the season? Southampton sacked Adkins when it seemed he was doing relatively well; it seemed harsh at the time but Poch took them much further and it turned out to be an inspired choice.
No, he won't be manager come May.
I think there is a recruitment strategy being pushed by ex-players in the media. Ferdinand, Scholes, Neville. You don’t think they Influence their ex-teammate and pal? For me they have been pushing the agenda about players that “get” the club and who will play with “passion” for the club, instead of just finding the best talent out there. That idea needs to die or we are going nowhere, with Ole or anyone else. I just think we can’t blame the manager as long as we don’t have the right structure.
I think it would be ridiculous if they have that kind of influence over Ole.
We can’t blame the manager for everything but it shouldn’t really be a shock to anyone that a manager who wasn’t good enough and has achieved nothing in his career to suggest he was, looks like he isn’t good enough. Saying Ole isn’t good enough is really just stating the obvious.
People need to discern the difference between Ole as a player and as a manager no different to how Dalglish was viewed by the Liverpool fans during his tenure. Ole is a legend as playing professional, he's an absolute embarrassment and disgraceful manager.
Unai Emery did an abysmal job at Arsenal with a 49% win rate and was sacked. Ole's is lower than 30% and he's still in his job.
Unai Emery did an abysmal job at Arsenal with a 49% win rate and was sacked. Ole's is lower than 30% and he's still in his job.
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That's why I don't get Ole in fans saying that Ole is performing. This is our form start to the league in 30 years. How is this performing? What's he building? What quality players want to join the Ole project?
He reached the CL final, i think many would be over the moon with that.
I think the biggest issue is the lack of improvement, nevermind trophies. I am not sure about Pochettino myself, but we would play much better stuff and would look like a modern side for a few years at least. We are just a mess currently, that many just want to start dreaming about something bigger. We are somewhere around higher midtable currently, like the likes of Everton or Newcastle in the past
Woody has lost his balls and will not do anything right now. He will make a move when we are trying to stay out of the relegation zone, which could come soon after the next 2 games are over with.
Look at the decision to completely sideline Smalling, which then led to Smalling wanting to leave on loan. Do you think Ole sat down to talk with Southgate and get convinced that the reason we were leaking goals and were ineffective as a team was due in large part to Smalling? Or do you think it’s more likely Neville or Rio got the talk from Southgate, and then they exerted influence? Of course, it can’t be proved, but I do think they exert too much influence.
Unfortunately this. He is a shield Ed can hide behind, he wont start calling the board out for not spending like Jose did, the fans at OT support him and continue to attend the games and some of the pundits are starting to call out Ed- if he sacks Ole that is publically admitting they made a mistake, made even worse by the fact that they rushed to make this "mistake" by not waiting until the end of the season like they said they would- yes his initial run of results were great and I did want him as manager but I probably wouldn't had the whole season panned out then they made the decision like they said they would. Potentially more spotlight will fall on Ed as that is now 3 failed managers he has overseen so unfortunately he will hide behind the high regard Ole was held in as a player and continue to use him as his shield while continuing to push the "rebuilding" narrative
He'll be sacked after the Spurs game, Jose will finish him off 
Will be the best thing he's done for United and he's the fecking spurs manager. This club is an absolute disaster.
Will be the best thing he's done for United and he's the fecking spurs manager. This club is an absolute disaster.
He fluked it at the same time his Spurs side were at their worst of his 5 years in charge. CL finals weren't the norm that we could hope for.
That's what these players pretty much are though, 6th-7th place level. Did those fans (of Everton, Newcastle etc) believe just a change in manager would take them higher? We'd have laughed at them.