French pension strikes

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Biggest strikes in France in years... And given that France has tons of strikes I guess that makes it a Biggie

Some violence so far I believe and fuel refineries blocked again

When is macron up for re-election ... He's pretty unpopular now I think and a winter of travel chaos fuel shortages and public service strikes probably won't help his popularity
 

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Biggest strikes in France in years... And given that France has tons of strikes I guess that makes it a Biggie

Some violence so far I believe and fuel refineries blocked again

When is macron up for re-election ... He's pretty unpopular now I think and a winter of travel chaos fuel shortages and public service strikes probably won't help his popularity

The violence is from rent a mob as used in the gilets jaunes protests not from the strikers.

The strikers are public workers.
Very few trains today , although train cancellations not that unusual - just wait until Labour nationalise the railways, teachers on strike, firemen , childminders etc.

The public soon get fed up with the strikes as they did with the gilets jaunes.
 

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Going to Paris via Eurostar next Friday - what are the chances this lasts for another week?!
 

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Going to Paris via Eurostar next Friday - what are the chances this lasts for another week?!
It's for a large the RATP and the SNCF, they are the worst.
 

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I'm due to fly on the 16th with Air France through Paris, I hope the feckers get back to work by then or else its going to be a lonely Christmas if my flight gets cancelled.
 

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This is how it should be. Government should work in tandem with the people and the people should be free to disrupt things if the government aren't playing ball.
Arent playing ball? They already have the best working conditions in Europe. They're just taking the piss as usual.
 

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Good on them. As it is where I live, I have to be 73,5 before I can retire, which is absolutely mental. Wish we were a bit more like the French in that regard.
 

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Good on them. As it is where I live, I have to be 73,5 before I can retire, which is absolutely mental. Wish we were a bit more like the French in that regard.
Good on them, not really. The ones that are the most vocal are the ones who currently can retire at worst at 57.
 

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Good on them. As it is where I live, I have to be 73,5 before I can retire, which is absolutely mental. Wish we were a bit more like the French in that regard.
Where is that? It will probably be the same for most of us born in the 80s, the UK govt website tells me 68 currently but there's no way it will be that by the time I get to retirement age. Maybe your government is being a bit more honest.
 

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Good on them, not really. The ones that are the most vocal are the ones who currently can retire at worst at 57.
I was told the law stating the relatively early retirement age for train drivers In France was made in the distant past when working on a train meant breathing in lots of coal dust with all the consequences for life expectancy that entailed.
 

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Is it particularly wrong to have later retirement ages when people are living longer?
 

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Good on them, not really. The ones that are the most vocal are the ones who currently can retire at worst at 57.
Yeah, just skimmed through the article at first. 57 is even more ridiculous than 73. Not that I would mind.

Where is that? It will probably be the same for most of us born in the 80s, the UK govt website tells me 68 currently but there's no way it will be that by the time I get to retirement age. Maybe your government is being a bit more honest.
Denmark. I suppose it’s fair enough we have to work longer considering we get older and older. But my dad is 62 and dead tried of work and will retire within the next year or so as he can since his age and position has made him able to do so. I look at him and think that I have to work 10 years longer :lol:
 

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Is it particularly wrong to have later retirement ages when people are living longer?
It's not, it's mathematically necessary. That or increasing the social security taxes/contributions and their equivalents elsewhere. Collectively, retirement ages + contribution equations that end up being too generous are a fraud that we just commit against ourselves.
 

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Love them for that.Wonder what we would do if Boris wins and starts to sell of the NHS.
We will do nothing at all and just carry on as normal. And probably vote for Boris again.
 

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Is it particularly wrong to have later retirement ages when people are living longer?
The retirement age isn't even changing for most people it's still 62, the ones with special status are just going to have the same age requirements.
 

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Didn’t even notice the strikes in Lyon. Went to work as normal on Thursday, had family fly out for fete de luminaire on Friday, with just a slightly delayed flight as usual.

Was funny reading the UK news talking about France being ‘crippled’. :lol:
 

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Didn’t even notice the strikes in Lyon. Went to work as normal on Thursday, had family fly out for fete de luminaire on Friday, with just a slightly delayed flight as usual.

Was funny reading the UK news talking about France being ‘crippled’. :lol:
It's always the same story, everytime France is crippled from the outside, while in France people simply go to work almost as normal. Now the issue is different for Paris, they are the ones that will be affected the most by strikes from the RATP and the SNCF.
 

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Love them for that.Wonder what we would do if Boris wins and starts to sell of the NHS.
Absolutely nothing, the servile majority will just doff their caps and tug their forlocks and assume their betters know what's best.
 

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Good on them. As it is where I live, I have to be 73,5 before I can retire, which is absolutely mental. Wish we were a bit more like the French in that regard.
Where do you live
 

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Denmark. As I said earlier, it’s fair enough that we have to work longer as we also live longer, but in my case teaching kids at age 73 is just a crazy thought. Nevermind professions like builders and nurses.

Good thing I plan on winning the lottery before then.
 

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Who wants to work till the day they die? My father in law was the only person in his company to make it to retirement, the rest all died before they got there. Way to go.
Who is going to pay for it though? NHS budgets, benefits and the rest pale in comparison to the pension obligations of an ageing population.
 

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Who wants to work till the day they die? My father in law was the only person in his company to make it to retirement, the rest all died before they got there. Way to go.
Well nobody, I hope. Having to work fundamentally sucks and if people can retire early to enjoy their life then they should as they will almost certainly be happier for it.

It's more about what a country needs to function though. One would think that trying to keep retirement age the same while an aging population lives for a longer time beyond that point is unsustainable, which means an increase in retirement age (along with other measures) is inevitable. Especially in a country like France which already has quite a low age.
 

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Who is going to pay for it though? NHS budgets, benefits and the rest pale in comparison to the pension obligations of an ageing population.
No good answers.

I'm going to go out hugging a bear aged 60. Or something.
 

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I'll be in my 70s when I retire (projected to go up to 67 by 2028, so only logical it'll increase to at least 70 in 2060) I'm a mechanic, thank god there will be no more engine/gearbox swaps! my guess is my back will give out by 50 anyway.
 

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Who is going to pay for it though? NHS budgets, benefits and the rest pale in comparison to the pension obligations of an ageing population.
That's what tax is there for. Problem is the uk keeps voting for a party that always wants to lower tax and make cuts to balance books. it's that simple