UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Bingo.
Oh dear
Not surprised.
Oh good lord. Get a grip.
This is a great thread and sums things up well
Dream. On. That will never happen.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
The problem is not 'leftism' it's the perception of 'leftism' that people have because of years and years of relentless propaganda. Take the policies away from the Party and they're very popular
Most of Labour's policies barely scratched left of centre, Nationalisation of a few core public services possibly being furthest Left but hey, we're the country of the NHS, which is almost universally popular amongst the electorate.
A small raise in the top rate of tax and a small raise in corporation tax to bring both broadly in-line with other similar-sized European economies would barely even register.
Fact is, your average Joe Punchclock isn't voting on the viability of Labour's policies, they're usually single issue voters or in the absence of any other influences just blindly following the propaganda
You mean they hate Jewish people and gloss over it by promising lots of freebies?
Oh wait, that was somebody else...
Do you truly believe that there is more racism in the Labour Party and it’s voters, than the Conservatives?
Again, it's media blame. Well yes, they have fecked Labour. But they always do.
The problem is you lot are willing to use that as the go to excuse, rather than look at the fact Labour damn well knew this and STILL had no plan, no defence. And even if they did, Corbyn has no excuse for his mediocre live performances.
I await the Comrade Corbynistas now bringing up Blair...
There is racism within all parties. That isn’t what the investigation is about though, it’s whether racism against Jews within the Labour Party has become institutionalised.
Had Labor partnered with the LD they could have avoided this desaster easily. The utter arrogance cost Labor a lot.
You keep saying the policies were popular as if all labour needs is the same programme with a new face at the top. But popularity isn’t enough by itself. There’s believability. There’s deliverability. There’s the cost. There is prioritisation. There’s the impact of the policies when considered as a whole. None of that is captured in “popularity” of individual policies and yet they are all things that affect how people vote.
You don’t know what you’re talking about
It’s not whataboutism. That’s a crock of shit that weak arguments hide behind.
I feel like they already faced an uphill struggle to convince people their policies were deliverable and achievable, but the sudden promise of free broadband and of £60bn to the WASPI women were mistakes which I think pushed a lot more people away from believing Labours policies were achievable
I don't 'keep saying' this is my first post for ages!
Believability - isn't it amazing that despite presenting a fully costed manifesto, UK citizens were openly raging about Labour's plans to invest in public services? Does this happen in any other Country? What a bunch of w**kers this lot are presenting plans to spend more money on US!
Cost - see above
Prioritisation - granted there wasn't much of this, however, I believe the point was to sell a vision. Obviously the electorate didn't buy the vision for reasons I outlined in my 1st post,...but which of the individual components do people have an issue with? They can't usually tell you.
What's the Conservative vision? Zero-sum Economics? Mercantalism? Trickle-down Economics? Natural hierarchy? Rampant laissez-faire profiteering?
where was the £60bn for the WASPI women costed?
The promise wasn't really about 'free Broadband' as was commonly reported, it was about investing in the core infrastructure to ensure all residents and businesses had access to fibre internet to the premise. I believe currently only 10% of the Country has this....compared to 90%+ in some Asian countries
I agree, but they pitched it as free broadband for all and it was largely seen as a joke policy.
Was it 'pitched' that way or was it spun that way? Another progressive policy just shot down in flames and ridiculed (like your WASPI example) by a Party offering cock all but scorn and negativity. Sad really when something positive is proposed and we're conditioned to knock it down
I just checked out the profile of some guy taking the high ground on a Piers Morgan tweet and his last two tweets were about Abbot’s shoes and that ‘My friend is a nurse at Leeds Hospital’ shit. The frightening bit is 500+ comments on each where it’s not even contested, by anyone. I’m not excuse making here, it’s genuinely concerning. But I’m being lectured (indirectly, as a Labour voter) by people from all over the place about how it’s time for reflection. The amount of misinformation floating around in their favour is staggering.
Say what you want about Abbot on merit but this shit with the shoes has wound me up. It’s like I’m witnessing a collective sigh of relief that in observing this picture their views are vindicated and when you try and say otherwise, posts get deleted or you get blocked.
Say what you want about Abbot on merit but this shit with the shoes has wound me up. It’s like I’m witnessing a collective sigh of relief that in observing this picture their views are vindicated and when you try and say otherwise, posts get deleted or you get blocked.
I'm not in a position to listen to that now but if it's Corbyn using the term 'free Broadband for all' - I don't dispute they promised this I just don't understand why half the population are desperate to shoot down any progressive ideas
How much money have we wasted on Brexit, bribing the DUP and giving tax breaks to the rich? That's all sound. Invest in something for the public? What a clown!
How many times do people like Burgon need to be reminded Labour lost in 2017?
I'm sure the last Brexit petty cash check came out as £6.5bn down.
It's madness. They shouldn't let him out. McDonnell is the only one of the current Labour front bench I think is a competent politician.
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When did Labour back austerity between 1997-2010?
He's an idiot. Darling actually did a budget stimulus I think in 2008, cutting VAT to 15%.
It's such an eyeball tickler that people STILL need to be reminded that Labour lost that election.
When it comes to people's lives, a loss is most definitely not a fecking win.
Britain's net contribution to the EU is 11bn a year, so long term it's a good investment.
Can't wait for Burgon to be punted into the history books.Even Burgos’s bio tickled me, it’s kind of Partidge-eque
Labour Party Candidate for Leeds East. I am not currently an MP, as Parliament has been dissolved until after the General Election.
Unnecessary pedantry
Labour Party Candidate for Leeds East. I am not currently an MP, as Parliament has been dissolved until after the General Election.
Unnecessary pedantry
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