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So when can we expect the Tories to release that report investigating Russian funding into British politics. Or will that just be swept under the carpet and forever forgotten about?
Hah good oneSo when can we expect the Tories to release that report investigating Russian funding into British politics. Or will that just be swept under the carpet and forever forgotten about?
Quotes from him just now blaming the overly-busy manifesto, the remain-leaning Brexit policy and anti-semitism. Very much distancing himself from the result/ failures of the leadership.Anyone heard from Len McCluskey?
Oh woe is me, the entire population of the country will be living on the streets, apart from Boris & his henchmen.Talk about being dramatic.
Austerity cuts have caused tens of thousands of deaths, untold misery and hardship. The fact you think that is ‘hysteria’ says a lot about how disconnected people are from how politics actually effects peoples lives.This kind of hysterical nonsense is why most Tory voters didnt bother to get into discussions about the election.
This post is not aimed specifically at you.You should read some of my other posts today. We are in agreement.
That being said though, he did not come across well at all. He didn’t sound like he was speaking with candour at all. It sounded opportunistic and self serving.
Or maybe you and the rest of the momentum corbynista's should have listened to him and the others by fecking off yourself?He's a bit wrong though... Don't get me wrong, Corbyn needs gone, but it's not the policies; it's the baggage around him.
And frankly, to stand there and try and absolve himself and all the centrists of blame when they spent years trying their own character assassinations of Corbyn which contributed to the swirling morass of negativity around him is pretty shit.
In short, Wes Streeting can feck off if he won't look inward and own a bit of this.
There is no proof whatsoever of that.Austerity cuts have caused tens of thousands of deaths, untold misery and hardship. The fact you think that is ‘hysteria’ says a lot about how disconnected people are from how politics actually effects peoples lives.
Drive around greater Manchester, you’ll see plenty of proof regarding austerity harming communities.There is no proof whatsoever of that.
It's the socialism version of the 350m Brexit bus.
enough to form the sole basis of a manifesto to govern 80m people?Drive around greater Manchester, you’ll see plenty of proof regarding austerity harming communities.
Brexit is the easy party line as it allows them to ignore their own failings, and push the blame on the 'centrists' who pushed them into a more remain-y policy.How did Labour manage to gain just 1 seat in this election? All those Tory marginal remain voting areas, and all you manage is Putney?
And morons like Burgon still want to harp on about it being solely a Brexit election.
One thing is clear, from a messaging point of view Labour need to drop the ‘tories are cnuts’ rhetoric immediately. Loads of traditional labour voters just moved over to the tories, and if labour want to win another election, they’re going to need a good chunk of them back. Telling people they’re cnuts, or even that they were duped into voting for cnuts, is going to make that impossible.
I'm not a momentum corbynista. The fact that I indicated Corbyn needs gone should hopefully make that clear, but I've stated it for you now.Or maybe you and the rest of the momentum corbynista's should have listened to him and the others by fecking off yourself?
45 MPs for vs 175 MPs against in PLP. But yeah "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" or something.
You've lost. Try and gain some empathy from outside your echo chamber for once!
It also was a policy of taking the UK back to the bad old days of the 1970. And believe me, I lived and (tried to) work during that union activists disaster. We got married, bought a house and tried to pay the mortgage while strikes were common place. And nationalised industries, in the main weren't working.This post is not aimed specifically at you.
I'm a political nobody off the internet, and yet I've always voted Labour since my first vote in 1997. I have a degree, a great job and comfortable income and enjoy my life, and yet I felt as though Blair represented me . Iraq is unforgivable and rightfully made Blair toxic but his broad socio economic position meant Labour could gain a majority by joining left and centre left liberals. Ever since Milliband Jnr and Corbyn were elected, people like me felt like this party didn't represent us anymore, and that we were being emotionally blackmailed by unfair and sanctimonious vitriol. Many lifelong Labour MPs, party workers and foot soldiers from this 'centrist-left' bloc have bitterly complained about this, only to be told to fcuk off and join the tories. Well last night many did.
The UK stated last night that is doesn't really want 'social giving' and would prefer 'aspiration and opportunity' instead. I resonate with the latter. Some believe that's possible through Brexit.
Corbyn was given the entire machinery to succeed and yet his manifesto made our country sound like a developing nation from Africa. In doing so, he presided over one of Labours most disgraceful campaign results in its history. The solely left movement doesn't have enough relevance in 21st century Britain. It's time for me and the millions of others to reclaim our party. It's ours too. So if I was Wes Streeting I'd also be opportunistic and self serving right now.
Why do you think Labour and Corbyn is anti semitic? I highly doubt Labour has a strong feeling against Jews especially when there is Jewish politician within the party. Reading articles about the situation it appears to originally started about criticism towards Israel, and as these things get twisted and turned by the media now all of a sudden he’s an anti-semite.Explain?
I have to say I saw those front pages and I cannot see how they are are allowed to get away with that. Clear manipulation. It shouldn’t be allowed.Not even subtle, saw the last couple of days of the SUN the entire front page is literally vote Tory for Sunlit uplands, vote Labour for gloom.
Burn it all to the fecking ground
I know I will. I wont see tens of thousands of people dying who wouldn't otherwise be though, which is what I was replying to.Drive around greater Manchester, you’ll see plenty of proof regarding austerity harming communities.
we have a poster here, that repeatedly called tory politicians "vermin" and nobody seemed to even notice.Tweet
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pretty much.Probably because it was a load of rubbish in the first place?
No of course because you don’t see the people committing suicide because they have literally nothing to live on, or because they’re disabled and they were told they’re fine to work, or the people dying in hospital being there aren’t enough doctors and nurses.I know I will. I wont see tens of thousands of people dying who wouldn't otherwise be though, which is what I was replying to.
Michael Foot was a decent man too. He got the same battering. Decency and principles just don't count for anything in Britain.Really am beginning to think that Corbyn is so unpopular because he’s actually a decent man who tries to help people, while your average Englishman is just a horrible bastard which is why that lying bigot Johnson is so popular. Honestly can see no other reason why you would vote Tory. Your NHS is finished.
I am still waiting to see this proof that the Tories have killed tens of thousands of people.No of course because you don’t see the people committing suicide because they have literally nothing to live on, or because they’re disabled and they were told they’re fine to work, or the people dying in hospital being there aren’t enough doctors and nurses.
your joking right?There is no proof whatsoever of that.
It's the socialism version of the 350m Brexit bus.
I think it refers to thisI am still waiting to see this proof that the Tories have killed tens of thousands of people.
I expect it does, and it's quite clear there is no causation link there. Just a nice soundbite.
No, it doesn't. But underinvestment in social services, healthcare and welfare is, at best, unlikely to result in reductions in the mortality rate of the poor, I'm sure you'd concede?I expect it does, and it's quite clear there is no causation link there. Just a nice soundbite.
Of course. My only issue is with the hysterical 'Tories kill tens of thousands of people' which just serves to make people switch off.No, it doesn't. But underinvestment in social services, healthcare and welfare is, at best, unlikely to result in reductions in the mortality rate of the poor, I'm sure you'd concede?
I expect it does, and it's quite clear there is no causation link there. Just a nice soundbite.
I asked you to explain, starting that with your question is beneath the debate.Why do you think Labour and Corbyn is anti semitic? I highly doubt Labour has a strong feeling against Jews especially when there is Jewish politician within the party. Reading articles about the situation it appears to originally started about criticism towards Israel, and as these things get twisted and turned by the media now all of a sudden he’s an anti-semite.
I have no devotion to Labour, that’s just what I see of the situation.
I have to say I saw those front pages and I cannot see how they are are allowed to get away with that. Clear manipulation. It shouldn’t be allowed.
As above.pretty much.
there is no correlation between life expectancy and average per-capita healthcare spending over 3000$ (the correlation below 3000$ is pretty clear). The UK should still be over this 3000$ threshold => the claim is nonsense.I expect it does, and it's quite clear there is no causation link there. Just a nice soundbite.
You may not be and if so, I got that wrong. Apologies.I'm not a momentum corbynista. The fact that I indicated Corbyn needs gone should hopefully make that clear, but I've stated it for you now.
Of course, you can just keep trotting out this un-nuanced drivel, go wild.
Reports say he spent a fair amount of time rummaging through the fridge at least.So did Boris manage to get breakfast done? It's an indicator of his competency going forward.
I don't get it with the silliness of this debate. You think trained doctors wait around unused? No, they go into the health service and waiting lists come down. If we are ever in a situation of having unneeded doctors that would be a great thing.Firstly, as a CEO of one company and a non-Exec director of another, that bit about business is rubbish. Cash is king. Never commit more outlay than the minimum required to secure income in the first place.
Secondly, it’s a bad analogy anyway because those people came over a long period of time. It was perfectly possible to increase capacity as they were arriving.
Not to mention the absurdity of the suggestion in political terms. Build loads of spare houses and train unneeded doctors so we can ramp up immigration in a few years time? Be serious.
Cheers.https://www.theguardian.com/politic...full-results-live-labour-conservatives-tories
Scroll down to the National results part.
Why?Mods, is it time to hide that poll now?