That's it in a nutshell. Even if he gave 10 out of 10 performances and had no social media footprint, no one can guarantee he still wouldn't get stick.
Is Pogba as good as gone?
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It's a business
Pogba leaves the dirty work to Raiola and his brother
Birds of a feather flock together.. let's not pretend P Pogba walks on water
I guarantee Pogba gives more of a f#ck about our club than half of the 'supporters' on this forum.
If he does leave, it'll be with a heavy heart and I have no doubt that he'll be celebrating just as much as the rest of us when we do win the league again in the not-so-distant future.
If he does leave, it'll be with a heavy heart and I have no doubt that he'll be celebrating just as much as the rest of us when we do win the league again in the not-so-distant future.
Has nothing to do with effort and everything to do with find a scapegoat.
The bolded is just flat out untrue. He got hate way before the Madrid rumors (check last season's performance thread) and the notion he downed tools is nothing more than an overused, unverifiable, internet talking point used to beat down a player.
All this focus on desire and supposed passhun. I wonder when the fans and club will priotise technical ability as being crucial. Seems an afterthought. No wonder our midfield has just one really technical player and that's Pogba.
I never said he did, but i can point to interviews where people have said those things about Pogba. Where is the proof for the other side of the argument?
Which should hold more weight do you think? Words from people close to him on a day to day basis or media hearsay?
Also like you say, it's a business, with a lot of money involved, Raiola is one of the best, so it's only natural that he would look to protect himself in that regard.
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That is a weak and stupid argument. Mafia bosses don't get incarcerated because they're nice and their enforcers are the dirty ones. They literally run and own the business and the enforcers represent them.
Every word out of Raiola and Pogba's family is a word out of Pogba. You're getting fooled by elementary tactics.
I hear plenty from his representatives. Plenty. That is, I hear plenty from Pogba about who he is and what he wants and who he thinks is doing him a dirty.
Don't be fooled.
Every player that has had a biting agent has been insufferable themselves, see Yaya, Tevez, Lukaku etc.
Nah that’s not what I remember. Pogba didn’t have enough game time at that time, Fergie didn’t trust him enough to give him more game time in the team, players like Rafael and Park were starting ahead of him in midfield when they were even forced to play out of position, and don’t forget we have a shite midfield at that time too. He then made his mind up and moved to Juventus and immediate become a star player there. Fair play to him to be honest.
Yep thats how I remember it too. People can go on about money and the like, but the truth is he wasn't getting the chances his talent deserved.
Let’s not forget Liverpool we’re burning effigies of Steven Gerrard weeks after he won them a Champions League title just because he wanted to leave and that was a guy who tried his heart out week in week out.
We treated Ronaldo quite well though but in fairness he wasn’t a local lad and we had won everything - they treat Suarez well.. so Pogba might have been treated better if he won something of note here or performed very well.
I see that you're really trying to drive home this whole victim card. You know full well I wasn't having a pop off you or your autism, I was having a pop off your post as it was incredibly low quality, it almost came across as one of those desperate Facebook comments.
So, you want me to tell you how Pogba puts in the effort on the pitch, yet you've absolutely shut down any form of discussion by saying that even if I post running stats (facts) you'll disregard them. That's called arguing in bad faith.
As regards the Penalty, Ole said in no uncertain terms after the match that they are both taking penalties this season. Rashford took all of them after that.
As a matter of interest, have you never given your terrible bosses any cheek when they're acting like complete and utter knob heads? I certainly have and whilst it may not be very professional, it is very easily done. I certainly don't blame them for having a bust up when stress was running high.
The quote that you've used to show Pogba being unprofessional when Mourinho departed is, as you say, totally unreliable. I won't be touching any of these ridiculous, unsubstantiated claims.
The argument that is being made by other posters here is that like Brexit and like the Tories (Also definitely not racist), people like your good self have been conned. The media has a bigger influence than many give it credit for and it has been driving home this anti Pogba agenda since before he set foot back in Manchester. I do agree that he has had his ups and downs and hasn't been quite the player people will have expected him to be, but nor has the team and he doesn't play on his own, so you have to look at it within the context.
Not sure what show is currently on Radio 5 Live and who is speaking, but the character assassination is one with a real agenda against Pogba.
Well the truth is Pogba is entitled to leave since Man.U cannot stand a proper PL top team rank. He played more EL games that CL with United, his best years are still to come so there is no way he could accept such stagnation.
Raiola's strategy is to take the heat, you can be sure that he is lying half of the time, and at the end the club would have no choice but to sell Paul at a good price.
Let's face it, he left Juventus to come over here, the move is a failure on every aspect. For him as for the club.
Raiola's strategy is to take the heat, you can be sure that he is lying half of the time, and at the end the club would have no choice but to sell Paul at a good price.
Let's face it, he left Juventus to come over here, the move is a failure on every aspect. For him as for the club.
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I love how all of the people who said he was feigning injury have gone silent, there’s a lot of united fans who should be eating humble pie with regards to Pogba.
Shall we only bring the stats that make him look good then?
Shall we go into passing stats or the amount of times he loses possession? Just look at the ones that suit clearly.
We went to a midfield 3 to enable him to play in the left of midfield - his favoured position and one where we should certainly see the best of him.
When we played in a midfield 2 with him and Matic i'd watch games and despair at how positionally unaware he is and how is workrate/lack of effort just left Matic completely isolated for large portions. But that 1 long ball Pogba does every other game? Wow world beater.
There's no agenda with liking/hating him. He's just not as good as people WANT to believe he is.
I've said all along - he is super talented. My issue is he doesnt use that talent and he has under performed based on his ability for us. On talent alone - he's amazing. Based on how he used that talent for us is hard to sum up in a positive manner. Very poor.
Cant wait for him to leave in truth - we can stop the debate once and for all then. Its a matter of time
Gone silent? That's the first time I'm hearing of this report. If he wants to stay and play. If he's fully committed, then I hold my hands up. Not a problem.
I don’t know what you said in this thread but there were a few people who lied about having information that he’s feigning injury and that he’ll never play for the club again. That @fergiesarmy1 troll was particularly vocal in his belief that Pogba was feigning injury. They’ve all gone particularly quiet now.
I think he is integral to our team and our best player, but if he wants to go, just let him go. But we must get a decent price (£100 million+) for him. We should refuse anything below that.
Has the Caf decided he's leaving now despite quotes from his agent saying he's not?
Can you hold your hands up now then.
Don't force anyone to eat humble pie, otherwise they might choke and blame Pogba for an undercooked pie.
It was reporterd during both international breaks that's what United doctors said to the french FA.
I didn't know that he wanted to play against Rochdale and I must have missed that. In any case, as I said, if Pogba is happy and wants to stay then all the better.
Stats that only suit him?
ManUtd 2018-2019 season
Most goals: Pogba 13
Most assists: Pogba 9
Most shots on target: Pogba 50
Most take-ons: Pogba 60
Most fouls won: Pogba 69
Most chances created: Pogba 55
Most possession won: Pogba 218
Most passes into final 1/3: Pogba 321
Most duels won: Pogba 234
The evidence is there, its so overwhelming that its incredible some people still claim we aren’t seeing the best of Pogba, he plays in a team thats shit, that doesn’t make him shit.
Why wouldn’t you know he wanted to play against Rochdale, given he played against Rochdale?! I respect your change in tone, but if you’re saying you ‘didn’t know’ now, in all fairness, you didn’t really know then either. There was just quite a sweeping assumption of the worst. I mean, usually if the club says a player is injured, there shouldn’t even be a cause to speculate as to why that player isn’t playing. We’d been told.
Anyway, hopefully the caf can move on from this whole conversation, it hasn’t been the most pleasant one perhaps. Hopefully he signs a new contract here. I think most fans should want that. There’s no point listing his limitations as a footballer as justification if we’re only just going to go and get a worse footballer to replace him, which is probably about 95% likely to be the case.
Sick of the drama. Just get rid and sign some decent replacements for fecks sake.
Just heard on MUTV that the Pog is 'injured' again. Just sell him at this point
He will either go now or in the summer. As i said in the summer/at the start of the season, if someone coughs up a decent fee, which will happen i guess, then he will be off. Hope we invest the money wisely. He is not going to stay here past this season going by his and Mino's behaviour. It was obvious from the start, only the deluded ones didnt want to realise when he said he wanted a new challenge, that he wants out as soon as possible. Real didnt pay up in the summer, so he stayed here.
If he’s injured he’s injured. Bloody hell.
Im sick of this nonsense
Ok. So now we know for sure he's a virus
Obviously we don't know the whole story but he's being paid a fortune by the club and isn't playing. This whole situation sucks.
Well said, that man. Bye Pogba, SAF was right about you, you ****.
I don't really care if he is injured or not, but amount of times he's missed a big game is ridiculous. Absolutely unacceptable.
Can’t help but think that Raiola has been in his ear.
Whatever the truth is, it’s time to move him on and find his replacement.Unlikely but I’m on board with the idea of getting some kind of swap deal in place for Ødegaard. Failing that someone like Havertz.
Whatever the truth is, it’s time to move him on and find his replacement.Unlikely but I’m on board with the idea of getting some kind of swap deal in place for Ødegaard. Failing that someone like Havertz.
Honestly wouldn’t care if I had belief we’d replace him well or at all. Don’t believe in the club at all though when it comes to transfers.
Every season he's been here he's missed big games, this season he's played what, 4-5 times in the league? He may be our most talented player by a mile, but really, we need to get this joker out of our club.
I don't think I've ever posted this about any Utd player on here, but we really need to get rid of him, everything he does just seems to grate our fan base( me included) and he's really becoming a toxic shadow over the club.