Sad Chris
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Nobody really understands or cares about the business side of our club. If we were top of the league nobody would give a shit, but we’re not. More to moan about...yay
Fergie? He said a football club should be run by football people at the Bayern 99 legends game in the summerPity we will never hear what the great man really thinks of the current mess of the club.
It's been reported Ed is a really nice bloke, just not very good at this job.Yeah, I agree with you. Ultimately, I think Eds had the right intentions but its no much the decisions hes made but, as you point out, the lack of them. Missing out on Klopp and a DOF seem to be our biggest problems as well as the key signings we've not made.
Absolutely right, his alarming drop in form was the perfect time to get rid, we have more than capable replacements in Romero and Henderson. No-one would get close to his previous wages after his disastrous last season, yet we give him even more money when he's clearly on the decline.Apparently De Gea's latest contract makes him the highest paid player the the league.
This was after he started to become more error prone, we reward mediocrity.
Nobody else in world football was going to give him close to those wages and his performances were not exactly making him irreplaceable at the time.
We are a laughing stock.
How can we hope to have a balanced squad with a keeper as top earner?
If we ever do get consistently performing forwards and midfielders, they will be entitled to ask for more than the the error prone GK.
It was actually a worse decision than the Sanchez salary, at least that was recognized as ridiculous.
Isn't that contradictory? get him the feck out ? after declaring theres no longterm plan and we react to everything? you want to react to short term results..It's not just the recruitment.
There is no footballing vision at this club.
We hire managers that have nothing in common.
We reject one player cause he's "not good enough" in July then try and sign him in January.
We do not plan, we react to everything.
Get him the feck out.
Short term results?? we've been awful for 7 years.Isn't that contradictory? get him the feck out ? after declaring theres no longterm plan and we react to everything? you want to react to short term results..
He's now trying to build the foundation of a new young team as much as instant results.
Also it is fine building a young side, if you get the best talent, not just that they are young and run around. A young side also need top class coaching.Isn't that contradictory? get him the feck out ? after declaring theres no longterm plan and we react to everything? you want to react to short term results..
He's now trying to build the foundation of a new young team as much as instant results.
Same as Ole. Both with good intentions but clearly not up to the mark.It's been reported Ed is a really nice bloke, just not very good at this job.
Don't think it is a never sack philosophy. He said something in terms he will never call for a manager to be sacked publicly which isn't quite the same. A bit weird stance and he does talk crap at times, but you are bound to do that when your main job is to talk in media. He also said that the club should never hire a manager like Mourinho again and was way smarter when he talked about Ole being given a permanent job then people at the club and most people here. And that's his "pal" Ole we are talking about. This is somewhere at the end of that brilliant run under him.He has a never sack physiolophy which is the daftest thing I've ever heard of. After pineapples on Pizza.
Because we've tried the instant fix over and over with zero continuity, having recognised that we're clearly going in a new longterm direction, as painful as the results are at times.Short term results?? we've been awful for 7 years.
To be fair he always thinks the managers should be given more time.Would never dream of calling for the head of a manager but apparently it’s okay with a club executive.
That much is clear and I am afraid things are likely to get worse the longer he stays. I also don't think that he is a man who is humble enough to take a step back and defer to a football man running the football side, his ego simply won't let him.It’s clear to everybody except the Glazers that Woodward should lose his job, but he won’t be sacked.
If he was sacked, and we brought in a proper “dof” and a board of football people, Ole probably wouldn’t be in a job either.
It wouldn’t surprise me if we eventually sack Ole and inadequately replace him, it’s a vicious cycle at this point.
fecking hellMaybe, just maybe, the timing of Neville’s comment is to take attention away from Ole’s incompetence with Rashford
Woodward doesn’t choose the players. The manager gives a list. Hence why Moyes signed Fellaini, LVG signed people like Blind and Depay, Mourinho singed players like Zlatan, and Lukaku.fecking hell
Maybe, just maybe, the timing of Neville’s comment is to take attention away from Ole’s incompetence with Rashford
7 years and £960 Million quid in transfers......Goodness knows how much in wages, bonuses and fees!!I know Fergie left in 2013 and there may have been an inevitable slump but the fact we are still so far off winning the league again 7 years later is because this clown also came in in 2013. He is the common denominator.
Fellaini | 30 | Gone | Moyes |
Mata | 40 | Almost | Moyes |
Di Maria | 67 | Gone | LvG |
Shaw | 34 | Questionable | LvG |
Herrera | 32 | Gone | LvG |
Rojo | 18 | Almost | LvG |
Blind | 16 | Gone | LvG |
Falcao | 6 | Gone | LvG |
Milinkovic | 2 | Gone | LvG |
Martial | 54 | Questionable | LvG |
Schneiderlin | 32 | Gone | LvG |
Depay | 31 | Gone | LvG |
Darmian | 16 | Gone | LvG |
Schweinsteiger | 8 | Gone | LvG |
Romero | free | LvG | |
Pogba | 95 | Almost | Jose |
Mkhitaryan | 38 | Gone | Jose |
Bailly | 34 | Almost | Jose |
Ibrahimovic | 7 | Gone | Jose |
Lukaku | 76 | Gone | Jose |
Matic | 40 | Almost | Jose |
Lindelof | 32 | Questionable | Jose |
Sanchez | 31 | Gone | Jose |
Fred | 53 | Questionable | Jose |
Grant | 2 | Almost | Jose |
Dalot | 20 | Questionable | Jose |
Maguire | 80 | Ole | |
Wan-Bissaka | 50 | Ole | |
James | 15 | Ole | |
959 |
If we recruit properly we wont need to start the rebuild again. For example Poch would suit this current setup. Im not sure what ceo would come in, we might hire someone internally.Because we've tried the instant fix over and over with zero continuity, having recognised that we're clearly going in a new longterm direction, as painful as the results are at times.
If we sack ed & ole a year into a rebuild project we're likely to just be go back to trying the instant fix method and keep failing.
What?Isn't that contradictory? get him the feck out ? after declaring theres no longterm plan and we react to everything? you want to react to short term results..
He's now trying to build the foundation of a new young team as much as instant results.
Would hope for VDS as the new CEO. And him to employ a DOF to run the footballing side of things.So hypothetically, say Woodward is sacked and a new man (or woman, I guess I need to get with the times) is brought in, what happens regarding recruitment? Does the new person not pursue the players his manager wants, whoever that is, or does he, being a ‘football person’ and all that, recruit independently?
I’m not sure what difference it makes who exactly the person is signing the players his manager asks him too.
That's why managers got sacked and the guy who was supposed to build the structure isnt.Woodward doesn’t choose the players. The manager gives a list. Hence why Moyes signed Fellaini, LVG signed people like Blind and Depay, Mourinho singed players like Zlatan, and Lukaku.
Milinkovic?7 years and £960 Million quid in transfers......Goodness knows how much in wages, bonuses and fees!!
It really is an unbelievable level of incompetence bordering on criminal, all that money and what's to show for it?
Most of those players have already gone from the club, some are probably/hopefully close to an exit and most of the others, well it's questionable if they are even good enough to be at united at all.
Fellaini 30 GoneMoyes Mata 40 AlmostMoyes Di Maria 67 GoneLvG Shaw 34 QuestionableLvG Herrera 32 GoneLvG Rojo 18 AlmostLvG Blind 16 GoneLvG Falcao 6 GoneLvG Milinkovic 2 GoneLvG Martial 54 QuestionableLvG Schneiderlin 32 GoneLvG Depay 31 GoneLvG Darmian 16 GoneLvG Schweinsteiger 8 GoneLvG Romero freeLvG Pogba 95 AlmostJose Mkhitaryan 38 GoneJose Bailly 34 AlmostJose Ibrahimovic 7 GoneJose Lukaku 76 GoneJose Matic 40 AlmostJose Lindelof 32 QuestionableJose Sanchez 31 GoneJose Fred 53 QuestionableJose Grant 2 AlmostJose Dalot 20 QuestionableJose Maguire 80Ole Wan-Bissaka 50Ole James 15Ole 959
Goal keeperMilinkovic?
+1I cannot wrap my head around why exactly the Glazers refuse to remove Ed Woodward from his position. It's not like he would be particularly missed or is somehow irreplaceable. He's done alright from a financial standpoint but hasn't really done anything too amazing. The owners are acting as if he's the Alex Ferguson of CEOs and is a once-in-a-generation talent that cannot be improved upon in his role. That's insane to me.
I'd wager you could replace Woodward with any C-suite level executive in any other Fortune 500 level company and nobody would be able to tell the difference in the way the club is being run financially. Football-wise we'd see an upswing (if the club was restructured), but day-to-day financials and business operations, I doubt it.
Furthermore, at a time when there's a groundswell of opinion once more rising up against the Glazers and growing numbers of fans are genuinely getting more comfortable with the idea of Saudi owners (unthinkable a decade ago) you'd have to imagine that they would generate enormous goodwill for themselves if they removed Woodward and publicly announced that they were unhappy with football results and were going to restructure the board and club. That would buy them a few more years of ownership without too much by way of fan protests, wouldn't affect finances, would help draw new sponsors and create a genuine buzz of excitement around the club that hasn't been felt in a decade.
Essentially, firing Woodward is win-win for both the club and for the owners and would go a long way towards putting Man Utd back on the right path.
Vanja Milinković-Savić, He is the younger brother of Sergej Milinković-Savić.Milinkovic?
This sounds like a decent plan, but I’m not sure how much Woodward interferes with this presently. He provides financial sign off, I’m not sure joe removing him allows us to use data, identify the right type of player etc. I imagine he is not the person compiling the transfer lists presently. If he were, then of course, I’d want him replaced with someone more qualified to do that. Woodward is a Chief Executive, not a head scout or something.Would hope for VDS as the new CEO. And him to employ a DOF to run the footballing side of things.
The hope is that this hypothetical person comes from a job with an existing transfer recruitment structure and processes that are not from 2008.
- Sensible use of big data:
- Used as an initial screening for players in lesser-known leagues to identify cheaper players for further scouting (All players from the top 5 leagues should be known by our scouting department.)
- Used to verify or complement video analysis of targets after the screening process is done, followed by personality analysis made by scouts and network.
- Already have relationships with recruitment people at other clubs --> easier to make deals done when knowing each other and talking the same "language".
- Able to identify players based on their suitability for a type of football that is competitive in the current footballing environment.
- Not pure counter-attacking and low/clueless possession --> pace merchants and no passing/technical ability.
Given that Woody is seemingly the one responsible for hiring (attempted) a physio from Celtic, I would not be very surprised if he and Judge are involved at some important stages in a recruitment process.This sounds like a decent plan, but I’m not sure how much Woodward interferes with this presently. He provides financial sign off, I’m not sure joe removing him allows us to use data, identify the right type of player etc. I imagine he is not the person compiling the transfer lists presently. If he were, then of course, I’d want him replaced with someone more qualified to do that. Woodward is a Chief Executive, not a head scout or something.
Loyalty, he assisted them in their leveraged buyout of the club. Something that never should have happened. Without him they may not have been able to leech 100's of millions from the club.I cannot wrap my head around why exactly the Glazers refuse to remove Ed Woodward from his position. It's not like he would be particularly missed or is somehow irreplaceable. He's done alright from a financial standpoint but hasn't really done anything too amazing. The owners are acting as if he's the Alex Ferguson of CEOs and is a once-in-a-generation talent that cannot be improved upon in his role. That's insane to me.
The first sentence is most likely nonsense, these days journalists claim the weirdest things and for some reason people actually believe it. United has an HR department and they also have a COO, there is next to no chance that Woodward is the one handling the hiring of a physio or any position at that level.Given that Woody is seemingly the one responsible for hiring (attempted) a physio from Celtic, I would not be very surprised if he and Judge are involved at some important stages in a recruitment process.
Woody is the CEO of MUFC and responsible for the organizational structure of the club. If people are not doing their job (Manager, CFO, Judge etc) or a department is not up to the standard, then he is responsible for firing or not firing them or starting processes to make that department functioning. Since we are so far behind in regards to the use of data analytics and player assessment in the recruitment department it is better to hire someone that has already worked in a well functioning department to fast track the progress/development rather than fumble around until we are at an acceptable level.
Would you want Woodward to appoint a DOF responsible for fixing or modernising our footballing department? Would you let a blind man paint your house?