Solskjær press conference vs Burnley (H)

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He is definitely supporting Woodward and won't want him gone.

No one else will keep him in the job.

He has to back Ed, the board 100% or else he's goner himself.

If you support him as our manager, essentially you are full behind the whole structure - Ed, the board - the whole lot.
Disagree completely.

Ole has always been well spoken to the media, he is never going to blast Ed and the owners. He wants to keep his job, because he believes in what he is doing.

You can back the manager and not be a fan of the board/owners/running of the club! They're not all linked. Its an absurd suggestion that if your a fan of what Ole's doing your an Ed Woodward fun. Utter Crap! Ed and co have been shambolic under every manager for years. I like Ole and appreciate the huge job he has. I like what he is doing and hate the running of the club

We all know Ole is limited in his capabilities because of the structure of the club. Under this current set up - any manager would be limited. Klopp, Pep, Poch - it doesnt matter at all who is the manager when from the owners down we are clueless.

Ole knows he has to transform the squad and has done a good job promoting youth and selling players we dont need. He has to transform the squad with Ed and Jury in charge of transfer dealings. Give him some slack will you?

Could our form be better? Of course
But this negative spin on every single thing ole says is way over the top.
 

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You’ve just depressed me further, Ididnt need to are that.

The man is a clown.

His legendary playing status remains but as you say he makes Moyes sound like a Pep.
Issue is for many it's hard to differentiate Ole the player to Ole the manager. Even still... Only if Moyes came up with these quotes..
 

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Issue is for many it's hard to differentiate Ole the player to Ole the manager. Even still... Only if Moyes came up with these quotes..
Therein lies the issue.

Everyone is more obsessed with being a ‘Top Red’ & standing by a club legend regardless the fact he has been the worst post-Fergie manager.

Him not being good enough as a manager doesn’t tarnish his playing career for me but him using the goodwill earned as a player to get away with spouting this nonsense does.

Had Moyes said this it’d be carnage.
 

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Disagree completely.

Ole has always been well spoken to the media, he is never going to blast Ed and the owners. He wants to keep his job, because he believes in what he is doing.

You can back the manager and not be a fan of the board/owners/running of the club! They're not all linked. Its an absurd suggestion that if your a fan of what Ole's doing your an Ed Woodward fun. Utter Crap! Ed and co have been shambolic under every manager for years. I like Ole and appreciate the huge job he has. I like what he is doing and hate the running of the club

We all know Ole is limited in his capabilities because of the structure of the club. Under this current set up - any manager would be limited. Klopp, Pep, Poch - it doesnt matter at all who is the manager when from the owners down we are clueless.

Ole knows he has to transform the squad and has done a good job promoting youth and selling players we dont need. He has to transform the squad with Ed and Jury in charge of transfer dealings. Give him some slack will you?

Could our form be better? Of course
But this negative spin on every single thing ole says is way over the top.

Ole is 100% behind Ed. He wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Ed.

The second Ed is gone and fired Ole will be next in line. No serious DoF will look at our form, his credentials and let him be our manager. He knows it and he will hold to dear life to Ed and the board otherwise he won't get a top job ever again.

If Ole has a chance to succeed it is only if Ed and current structure/board stays.


Ole being United manager is the equivalent of winning the lottery. No one else, bar Ed and the board would have given him so much time.

If Ed steps down tomorrow Ole will be fired next and he knows it.
 

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Before we talk about context tell me what my point of view is seeing as you know so much.
Well it's pretty clear from your post that your POV is that you will use any old stick to beat the manager with.

He was asked about Gary Neville slagging off Ed Woodward and the recruitment process, and then he give his diplomatic response.
 

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I stopped listening to the drivel spouting out of his mouth months ago. That wide-eyed-innocent persona simply does not work anymore based on how far we have fallen.

Nice lad and everything, and I am sure he is a good person, but OGS should be nowhere near this club.
Completely agree with you. You should see some of the abuse the Ole fan club have been dishing out to myself and hundreds of other United fans with the same view on other threads. It’s jsut weird how they don’t see that his CV was never good enough.

I remember when SAF joined and I wasn’t particularly impressed with his CV but he did beat Real Madrid (if memory serves) in the European cup winners cup with Aberdeen so I thought ok let’s see. It worked out well but if anyone thinks OGS will ever be anywhere near SAF they’re dreaming. We need the right mentality manager I.e the medieval times as ole,referred to it.

Bryan Robson used to tell the lads to not go straight into the dressing room after a poor performance. He used to say, let SAF simmer down for a few minutes so go applaud the u tied fans for 5-10 minutes as long a season you can, then go to the changing room. What does that tell us?

Ole smiling after the worst performance and people on here sarcastically saying, how dare he? He wouldn’t be effung smiling if he was a player and put in that performance knowing SAF would be waiting for you. You’d try extra hard to win games just to avoid the hairdryer. Nah ole says we’re on the right tracks..... WAKE UP

Unfortunately winning the premier league alomg with the success, it’s brought a bunch of winner picking united fans who appear to have no understanding of football or what the dark days look like and how important it is to get the right manager in place as soon as possible to stop the rot.

Ole’s CV was never good enough, I have no objections to ole being the manager, but once he’s won a couple of trophies somewhere else and earns the right. Ole getting the job would be seen as nepotism in any other industry in the world.

Comments like stop moaning...... it just proves the point. We are doomed because we have attracted some of the biggest glory hunting fans since 1993. Some of us have been through the dark days and can see a repeat or a similar pattern if you like.

The only thing I’d say in his defence about the press conference is that who would run their boss down on national TV?

I’m unsure why people expect him to, I wouldn’t. It’s suicide and furthermore it would make you unsignable for future jobs. Who would give a job to a bloke who got pushed out of their last job or got a dressing down from their last boss after slaughtering them nationally? Whilst the Cv isn’t good enough c’mon guys let’s be sensible. I would never expect him to run down the glazers or Woodward. That’s our job I think!!!!
 

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I refuse to believe he said this.

I called him a fraud the second the summer window closed; I’ve never been so disappointed to be proven correct.

How can anyone back this man as our manager!?
He is definitely supporting Woodward and won't want him gone.

No one else will keep him in the job.

He has to back Ed, the board 100% or else he's goner himself.

If you support him as our manager, essentially you are full behind the whole structure - Ed, the board - the whole lot.
I don't get any of these posts. You expect the manager to talk publicly discuss transfer plans or criticize the board and Woodward? :houllier:
 

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Well it's pretty clear from your post that your POV is that you will use any old stick to beat the manager with.

He was asked about Gary Neville slagging off Ed Woodward and the recruitment process, and then he give his diplomatic response.
You’ve made an assumption then talked about it as fact.

I don’t have an agenda & I don’t need a stick. He’s an historically bad manager whose job remains secure regardless of anything I do or don’t say.

What is pretty clear is that you’ve positioned me in opposition to yourself based on no actual facts & a need to clarify his poor choice of words.

Feel free to tell me more on how I do or don’t think though, it’s amusing.
 

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You’ve made an assumption then talked about it as fact.

I don’t have an agenda & I don’t need a stick. He’s an historically bad manager whose job remains secure regardless of anything I do or don’t say.

What is pretty clear is that you’ve positioned me in opposition to yourself based on no actual facts & a need to clarify his poor choice of words.

Feel free to tell me more on how I do or don’t think though, it’s amusing.
I haven't made any assumptions, it's there in black and white in the post I quoted and in other posts by you in this very thread.
 

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I don't get any of these posts. You expect the manager to talk publicly discuss transfer plans or criticize the board and Woodward? :houllier:
Do I?

I stopped giving credence to his words some time ago.

Still not sure where @Enigma_87 or I say we want our manager to publicly disclose transfer plans though. . .

We’ve said he speaks worse than Moyes & is trading off his goodwill as a player.

You obviously want to defend OgS which is your right but don’t put words in our mouths doing so - we didn’t even mention transfers but an OgS defendant goes off topic again.
 

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Do I?

I stopped giving credence to his words some time ago.

Still not sure where @Enigma_87 or I say we want our manager to publicly disclose transfer plans though. . .

We’ve said he speaks worse than Moyes & is trading off his goodwill as a player.

You obviously want to defend OgS which is your right but don’t put words in our mouths doing so - we didn’t even mention transfers but an OgS defendant goes off topic again.
Then what on earth are you moaning about? Not even defending OGS, I'm just wondering what he said that was so bad based on what you responded to. Pretty simple.
 

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Then what on earth are you moaning about? Not even defending OGS, I'm just wondering what he said that was so bad based on what you responded to. Pretty simple.
You’ve waded in on your soap box whilst ‘wondering what he said’, this thread is 4 pages long - the quote I ‘refused to believe’ is readily quoted on all pages.

Nice try Mack, but I’ll repeat as you’re hard of reading. We think he speaks worse than Moyes, this isn’t a moan it’s a point of view but as is in the Caf, subversion is king.
 

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So you don't think it's a bit embarrassing his inferring that we should be flattered that City fielded a strong 11 or his claiming that the LFC was a positive sign of progress?
Its just embarrassing how far away quality United has compared to City and Lpool. 5th place now is very good. I want to see the club and Ole buy at least 10 players next two transfer window, we really need that many and not some average players like James and AWB.
 

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I don't get any of these posts. You expect the manager to talk publicly discuss transfer plans or criticize the board and Woodward? :houllier:
You've forgotten, he also has to win every game with exciting football, never have any injuries to his players, buy every player that fans ask for, kick the sh** out of everyone when they don't play well, and walk on water... oh yes and stop smiling!
 

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Then what on earth are you moaning about? Not even defending OGS, I'm just wondering what he said that was so bad based on what you responded to. Pretty simple.
Check my original quote from today’s presser.

he basically said it’s ok to overplay players and run them into the ground because somehow they will become tougher. :houllier:
 

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Taken from United's website, I actually have no words anymore

"Of course, we are stretched and some of the players have played a lot. And they're improving for it and will reap the benefit and get stronger physically and mentally more robust."

As an aside I thought fitness was a main focus for this season and the main thing he was working on in pre season...

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...724542745&utm_medium=post&utm_source=facebook
What if I told you, that your physical capabilities can improve over the course of a season, ON TOP OF your pre-season form.
 

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At this point what good is it doing the future of the club if Solskjear is acting like everything is ok and covering up a lack of backing from higher up for recruitment of quality players?
I'm not 'Ole in' by any means but what do you actually expect him to do or say? I'm a manager myself, and although I'm operating under some pretty tight constraints from above would it really make mine or my team's situation any better by throwing all of my toys out of the pram, slating senior management and destroying any morale still left within my team? No, of course not. Ole is the public face of a huge club (wrongly in my opinion) that has people watching worldwide. It is literally his job to display a positive public face for the club. I just don't get what people actually expect him to do. Follow in Jose's footsteps? Because that works so well for him doesn't it?
 

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You must have if you don’t realise that we could have been 4 or 5 down by 60 minutes so mentioning that we were only 1 down after 90 minutes is looks pathetic.
We were down 1-0 at home to a team that has won ever single league match this season, with nearly half our most important players injured. And you think its shameful to point out that "hey, we were in this until the final whistle"?

Get out of here with that. And hey, with Daniel James or Marital not wasting enormous chances, we'd be playing draw again.

This pick and choose your own adventure needs to stop, lets' not pretend that Liverpool isn't the best football team in the world right now.
 

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We were down 1-0 at home to a team that has won ever single league match this season, with nearly half our most important players injured. And you think its shameful to point out that "hey, we were in this until the final whistle"?

Get out of here with that. And hey, with Daniel James or Marital not wasting enormous chances, we'd be playing draw again.

This pick and choose your own adventure needs to stop, lets' not pretend that Liverpool isn't the best football team in the world right now.
Let’s not pretend that they didn’t beat us the same way that they beat Watford and Crystal Palace.
 

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Let’s not pretend that they didn’t beat us the same way that they beat Watford and Crystal Palace.
What did you expect from the MUFC 50% First XI / 50% Reserve team v the most in-form team in the world? Tiki taka?
 

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You’ve waded in on your soap box whilst ‘wondering what he said’, this thread is 4 pages long - the quote I ‘refused to believe’ is readily quoted on all pages.

Nice try Mack, but I’ll repeat as you’re hard of reading. We think he speaks worse than Moyes, this isn’t a moan it’s a point of view but as is in the Caf, subversion is king.
I think you're hard of reading.

I'm just wondering what he said that was so bad based on what you responded to.
I am asking to point out why what he said was so bad.

now is not the time to talk about recruitment
Why should we be burning him at the stake for that?
 

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“Of course, we are stretched and some of the players have played a lot. And they’re improving for it and will reap the benefit and get stronger physically and mentally more robust"

Does Ole really believe what he's saying? They're falling on their feet and it's only a matter of time before we have more serious injuries.
Hes hardly likely to publicly say 'The players have played too many games as the squad is stretched so thin, its a miracle they are even able to walk'...
Even if it's true, which it partly is, saying anything other than what he did say is giving the players an excuse for failure.
Being upbeat and positive about it, which he is being, is giving the players a bit more confidence and belief that they aren't tired and that they can perform to the best of their abilities.

It's simple psychology, which is a massive part of football and being a manager.
 

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I think you're hard of reading.


I am asking to point out why what he said was so bad.


Why should we be burning him at the stake for that?
The response wasn't even to the CURRENT recruitment, but rather Neville's comments on past recruitment. Did someone expect ole to scrutinize the clubs transfer dealings from BEFORE he became the manager? I refuse to believe that opinions like this exist within the realm of reason.
 

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Check my original quote from today’s presser.

he basically said it’s ok to overplay players and run them into the ground because somehow they will become tougher. :houllier:
He didn't say its ok. He's just putting a positive spin on the situation. What do you expect him to say?
 

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Disagree completely.

Ole has always been well spoken to the media, he is never going to blast Ed and the owners. He wants to keep his job, because he believes in what he is doing.

You can back the manager and not be a fan of the board/owners/running of the club! They're not all linked. Its an absurd suggestion that if your a fan of what Ole's doing your an Ed Woodward fun. Utter Crap! Ed and co have been shambolic under every manager for years. I like Ole and appreciate the huge job he has. I like what he is doing and hate the running of the club

We all know Ole is limited in his capabilities because of the structure of the club. Under this current set up - any manager would be limited. Klopp, Pep, Poch - it doesnt matter at all who is the manager when from the owners down we are clueless.

Ole knows he has to transform the squad and has done a good job promoting youth and selling players we dont need. He has to transform the squad with Ed and Jury in charge of transfer dealings. Give him some slack will you?

Could our form be better? Of course
But this negative spin on every single thing ole says is way over the top.
I am guilty of this, not doing it openly but in my own head. Until yesterday I was still backing Ole but recent interviews, press-conferences and Rashfords injury tipped me over. I've stopped watching his press-conferences and interviews because I feel he's underestimating our intelligence, he sounds exactly like Moyes, in my opinion. But he has done a lot of positives as well, as you say. And I agree that his job is all uphill because of the people above him.

I understand that he stands by his superiors and rightly so, I also understand he really believes in his project but I'm having difficulties with his attempts to at every chance to find odd positives, lower expectations and cover his back. Admit when we do have a bad game, admit that in some cases you didn't get the tactics right, take some criticism as something you can use to improve, not deflect everything as ignorance or unrealistic expectations.

I shouldn't judge Ole on what he says but on what he does, I know this but he's making himself very unlikable in my eyes atm and I either don't have the intelligence or pride to look past that.
 
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He didn't say its ok. He's just putting a positive spin on the situation. What do you expect him to say?
I expect united fans not to get behind the practice of running 100m 22 years old asset to the ground to the point of risking his career.

I couldn’t even care what he says in interviews anymore. He’s beyond clueless.
 

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This thread is crazy. What OGS says at a press conference means about this much (holding my thumb and forefinger close together). It's funny that some of you expect him to lambast Woody and owners, and state the transfer targets.
 

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I think you're hard of reading.


I am asking to point out why what he said was so bad.


Why should we be burning him at the stake for that?
As a previous poster said, we’re in one of the 2 periods where we can sign players if there is ever a time to talk transfers it is now.

“burning him at the stake” :lol: you should write for The Sun. My opinion is had a Moyes made those comments after a resounding loss the uproar would be hillarious.

The man is going nowhere, I find his comments laughable - your overreaction to my view on his comments is genuinely amusing, why am I being ‘burned at the stake’ for thinking his comments are ill-thought & ill-times.
 

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He didn't say its ok. He's just putting a positive spin on the situation. What do you expect him to say?
They expect him to criticize when he praise, and praie when he criticize. Not being it's the right response to give or anything, but because it's the opposite of what he has done.
 

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As a previous poster said, we’re in one of the 2 periods where we can sign players if there is ever a time to talk transfers it is now.
There is no good time to talk transfers publicly, that doesn't need to happen. How many managers give details before a deal is all but completed?
 

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There is no good time to talk transfers publicly, that doesn't need to happen. How many managers give details before a deal is all but completed?
Fair point.

I suppose my point is unclear here so I’ll attempt to clarify

I read the statement as. . .

We’ve got injuries & fixtures so there’s no time to talk about transfers.

Not.

You journos can do one we aren’t talking transfers to you but we’re working on things in the background.

The comment sounds to me as him basically closing our transfers window because he has other things to deal with.

The question itself wouldn’t be raised had we shown an efficiency in getting deals done so I don’t expect him to leak transfer details, no but in answer to the question you can say you’re working on some things [if you are] without disclosing names etc.
 

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This thread is crazy. What OGS says at a press conference means about this much (holding my thumb and forefinger close together). It's funny that some of you expect him to lambast Woody and owners, and state the transfer targets.
No no. He is supposed to go full Jose, and then caf would want him out because he moans like Jose
 

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Ole is 100% behind Ed. He wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Ed.

The second Ed is gone and fired Ole will be next in line. No serious DoF will look at our form, his credentials and let him be our manager. He knows it and he will hold to dear life to Ed and the board otherwise he won't get a top job ever again.

If Ole has a chance to succeed it is only if Ed and current structure/board stays.


Ole being United manager is the equivalent of winning the lottery. No one else, bar Ed and the board would have given him so much time.

If Ed steps down tomorrow Ole will be fired next and he knows it.
I seriously doubt that. What if Ole also has a communication line with Glazers, and they discuss the problem of Ed not being aware of how to run a football club? Stop with the nonsense, Ole is the biggest fan of Manchester United and he has a chance to impact the club for the best. He should be listened. He's a footballer too.
 

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Disagree completely.

Ole has always been well spoken to the media, he is never going to blast Ed and the owners. He wants to keep his job, because he believes in what he is doing.

You can back the manager and not be a fan of the board/owners/running of the club! They're not all linked. Its an absurd suggestion that if your a fan of what Ole's doing your an Ed Woodward fun. Utter Crap! Ed and co have been shambolic under every manager for years. I like Ole and appreciate the huge job he has. I like what he is doing and hate the running of the club

We all know Ole is limited in his capabilities because of the structure of the club. Under this current set up - any manager would be limited. Klopp, Pep, Poch - it doesnt matter at all who is the manager when from the owners down we are clueless.

Ole knows he has to transform the squad and has done a good job promoting youth and selling players we dont need. He has to transform the squad with Ed and Jury in charge of transfer dealings. Give him some slack will you?

Could our form be better? Of course
But this negative spin on every single thing ole says is way over the top.
1. You mix well spoken with “yada yada”. That’s words and lines without substances. Ole never makes in depth analysis. He never explain his tactics, the why’s and the how’s and that’s because of his limited knowledge about tactical and strategical in depth conversations. Ole never says anything worth to remember, nobody quotes his lines. I think he lacks humor, charisma and his expressions are more often then not cringe worthy. The only thing people remember is his smiles and positive “aura”. His supporters loves it because this is the kind of “talks” that they like. Others probably prefers a little bit more charisma, some humor or fractions of intelligent conversations.

2. You highlight that he wants to keep his job. Totally agree and that’s the part of the problem with Ole. His ambition is to keep his job and he’s doing so by being a “puppet” and a “yes“ man. If we end this transfer window without any new signings, any loans that can improve out thin squad then words like “stupid“and “naive“ is more then reasonable to use.

3. We sold Lukaku and send Sanchez out on loan without replacements. That’s the reason Ole frequently plays Greenwood. The good part is that he gives his youngster experience, that bad part is that our attacking line is extremely weak and that atm Ole is totally out of options. This cost points and in the end maybe a top four spot.

Tomorrow our attacking line could be Martial, James and Greenwood with Mata or Pereira/Lingard behind. Probably United‘s weakest forward line since Mars 1958. Please enlighten me if you think differently. IMO because of bad coaching, bad planning and useless man management who cost Rashford his health. I could easily argue that this is down to pure incompetence.

Behind those four we will probably start with Matic and Fred. One is over aged and the other is probably over priced.

Is this your definition of “transform the squad” and “good job promoting youth”?
 

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I seriously doubt that. What if Ole also has a communication line with Glazers, and they discuss the problem of Ed not being aware of how to run a football club? Stop with the nonsense, Ole is the biggest fan of Manchester United and he has a chance to impact the club for the best. He should be listened. He's a footballer too.
Yes. Ole has the Glazers on WhatsApp convo to overtake the CEO :lol: :houllier: And you talk about nonsense