Depends what your definition of deadwood is? If the team isn’t winning who is deadwood and who isn’t....
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Yeah Lukaku, Smalling and Herrera was no deadwood. They were player we could have used to do great things.
Darmian yes we didn't need him, but the rest was players we could have used.
Sanchez we still pay bloody wages for so not seeing that as a sucess.
Well that's kind of my point. He is doing a pretty shit job and one of the main defences from his fans is how he got rid of deadwood but he didn't even manage to do that properly.
Part of me now hopes that Ole is kept until the summer, because by then the full extent of his ineptness will be visible to even his strongest defenders. If we sack him now, while I think it will save our season somewhat, the Ole In crowd will be able to play the "we never got to see his full potential/gave him enough time" shtick. I honestly think if he makes it to the summer our position and status will mortify the lot of them.
All we are going to learn is how poor our team is without at least 3 key starters. The expectation is that results are going to get worse.
Will you have the balls to come out and say it was a massive disaster when ole gets sacked with us out of top four and all competitions?
Yes. Not this season because we are pretty much meeting expectations. If we are not a much better football team at Christmas I'll change my vote to sack
Winning this pointless argument is that important to you? You are so convinced by his 'ineptness' that you hope he drives us off a cliff to prove a point to some strangers behind a keyboard
I think your last statement is the most realistic scenario unless we get the top four. It would be idiotic to sack Solskjaer mid season but he 100% deserves the door at the end.
The standards dropped so much that it feels we formed a rivalry with Wolves (no disrespect to wolves).
Apparently referred to LiVARpool as a long ball team. Absolutely desperate comments to make, if it meant we would win the title at the end of the season I'd be quite happy to be referred to as a long ball/direct team.
Solskjaer has been in charge of the team for around 359 days, if the team isn't playing good now what makes you think we will play good come Christmas this year.
I think that many fans are hoping for signing individual players to change the club's fortunes, but on the premise that this current squad and the one last season is the best set of players Solskjaer's managed we haven't made enough improvement overall from his appointment. 34 points out of a possible 68 is a disgrace for the level of this club.
I genuinely think there are a few managers out there who would do better with this team compared to Ole. No different to how Brendan has turned around Leicester's fortunes, sometimes you don't need players to make a difference but the right profiles managerially. But time will tell how things pan out.
No they disappear and get a new moniker and start again. I have seen this from the time of Moyes to now.
How has Rodgers done in the last two games with Ndidi injured? Players make a difference.
I'm leaning that way myself due to this issue.
This was after the Pogba and Mctominay ones and Maguires also playing on one leg.
It's really poor and could damage some of these lads careers.
How's Ole done in the last 30 Premier League games? What's his win percentage in his last 30 Premier League games?
Not a clue but I'm confident it would be higher if we'd had everyone fit all season like Rodgers has (until now).
When do we play Chelsea? If we actually end up with 4th I’ll be fecking gob smacked, especially if we buy no one this window
Just listening to Chris Wilder now on BT. Newly promoted club against the Premier League champions, competed really hard and could maybe even got something from it. However, there’s disappointment edged across his face, speaking about areas that they need to improve on, no nonsense at all, not accepting any of the praise directed at his team. Driving the standards at his club, setting a bar for the players to follow. He could easily shower his players with players but he’s not, he’s setting standards.
We need to remember who we are. This is Manchester United. Everyone knows that times have changed, its not an easy situation at the minute etc but ultimately if you keep accepting mediocracy and make excuses, you’ll end up being one of those clubs who yo yo’s about the league each year.
I’m sick to the bloody back teeth of spending money to watch us get embarrassed against two of our biggest rivals, but particularly against City the other week, and have to listen to him telling me that I should be content because it’s actually a step forward. It’s patronising and is as big of a kick in the teeth as the performances were. People at work who support City think he’s hilarious, they’re loving every second of it. He doesn’t need to face it every single day luckily for him.
We need to remember who we are. This is Manchester United. Everyone knows that times have changed, its not an easy situation at the minute etc but ultimately if you keep accepting mediocracy and make excuses, you’ll end up being one of those clubs who yo yo’s about the league each year.
I’m sick to the bloody back teeth of spending money to watch us get embarrassed against two of our biggest rivals, but particularly against City the other week, and have to listen to him telling me that I should be content because it’s actually a step forward. It’s patronising and is as big of a kick in the teeth as the performances were. People at work who support City think he’s hilarious, they’re loving every second of it. He doesn’t need to face it every single day luckily for him.
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I don't even consider this an argument really. I don't even know what it is anymore, because most of us aren't really actually arguing are we. We're just repeating the same things back and forth but not exactly fighting each other.
Type of manager I really respect. No BS, no nonsense. Ole would sell the result as an huge victory, strides made.
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Completely agree with you, Oles comments pissed me off equally much as the performances.
You realise your posting on the internet right? There’s a world of information at your finger tips
17th Feb if your struggling though
reading posts like this make me believe our fan base is poisoned by the mediocrity venom that the manager and the board spit. It is Manchester fecking united, a club like united should have the best manager in the world and the best players. Period. A fraud from the norwegian league and buying two mediocre players per transfer window is not united level and it will take us the same number of years that took Liverpool to fight for top honors again.
So who is this best manager in the world that is available?
Who cares about what they fecking think, what I care about is the club that I love. They can go support him in the Norwegian league again when he gets the boot.
Don’t know if there are any Rugby League fans on here but the whole situation has Kieron Cunningham as St Helens coach all over it.
Lecister have lost games with their full first team this season too. If you need some perspective on the thesis of a bunch of individuals vs the influence of a manager look no further than Leicester under Puel. They finished 14 points behind us in 9th and with a simple change of manager / losing their best defender the very next season would have been in contention for the league if not for Liverpool's supremacy.
Its a slippery slope to suggest that if Solskjaer had players fit it would change the fortunes of our season. With absolutely no injuries we still lost to Palace in our opening 3 games. Our record with no injuries to start the season in 3 games was W1 D1 L1 that's already points lost before the medicals had been put to work. The reality is Solskjaer isn't getting enough out of this team and genuinely is undeperming in his role. Its hard to detest this point because Ole by his own admission has admitted so himself.
We should be signing the best managers or managers with great potential. Klopp Guardiola Conte Pochettino Conte Nagelsmann etc all fit in this category. Can you put Ole alongside these names?
It's funny how people don't bring up how we've performed even with our best players on the pitch. All we had to do last season to get top 4 was beat both Huddersfield and Cardiff. Both of whom were already relegated. We didn't, even with Pogba
No, but if you think Poch is one of the best managers in the world then you and I have a different understanding of what would put someone in that category.
Posting after their draw, because if we win tomorrow we’re 3 pts behind. Pish offYou realise your posting on the internet right? There’s a world of information at your finger tips
17th Feb if your struggling though
Well seen as we are coming on 12 months of Pogba not contributing a single goal from open play and averaging one assist a month over that period I don’t count that as a plus.
Did you read what I said? I said United should have the best managers or managers with great POTENTIAL - Pochettino fits into that category and Nagelsmann. Ole does not
Your post never mentioned potential, you said the best manager in the world and the best players in the world. PERIOD. No potential.
Poch is also potentially overrated
Wow you've really outdone yourself on this one.
Nice cherry picking. In the past 7 months he's only had 6 starts due to injury and the fact that they don't play football in the Summer.
He played for France in the summer. Contributed the same stats for them also.
Enjoy the glorious stats of the worlds most expensive midfielder (this link doesn’t even go back to his last open play goal)
https://uk.soccerway.com/players/paul-pogba/177208/matches/
Did I say we'd win every game with our first 11? No because I don't think it's very good. Yes we lost to Palace. The same Palace even City couldn't beat at the weekend either.
It's just common sense we'd expect to have more points if we had more luck with injuries like Leicester have. Now they have struck they look nowhere near as strong, you seem to want to argue otherwise.
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Klopp Guardiola Conte Pochettino Conte Nagelsmann
Ole.
Klopp Guardiola Conte Pochettino Conte Nagelsmann
Ole.
It's hard, but let me try again;
Klopp Guardiola Conte Pochettino Conte Nagelsmann, Ole.
Yup, it is actually possible! He might have some potential since I managed to put him alongside those other names.
Sorry for the joke. I'm just a bit tired. I don't believe we will sack Ole before we're out of all cups, 4th is a lost cause, and the players lose faith in his project. And I'm fully behind that strategy.
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