Not airing your grievances in public doesn’t make you a yes man to be fair though. I’d hope he’s putting pressure on behind the scenes, which is preferable to what Mourinho was doing.
The “Ole In” Brigade
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So easy put and so true. Very good post.
This may be an unpopular opinion but I think Ole should stay. He's been very unlucky with injuries to be fair. I think his ideas to build this squad are the correct ones but he needs some time. There is no quick fix for this this mess.
Agree with the vast majority of what you say @noodlehair
Maguire, I am happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. He is not actually that bad a defender and I think a lot of his mistakes are being amplified 1) given the profile of MUFC 2) the mess we are in. I look at some of our great teams of the past and as an 11 and as a back four we defended as a unit. At the moment I am looking at Maguire, bang average midfield that is ever-changing in front of him. Toss of a coin on who the first choice LB is and to be fair Big Dave is having an under-par season. Giving the armband to him is probably quite an example from Ole to say this is the new breed, this is the kind of player I want in my team. Players can go one of two ways either they step up and take the challenge or they wilt. With Maguire, I think the problem is he can't play with Lindelof. Either one needs a good commanding CB next to them. I'm hoping Maguire turns out like Pallister, a bit of an inconsistent first 12-18 months. Let's be honest he has time ahead of him.
Not sure which reporter or pundit said it, but what this team is missing, (apart from fresh legs) is characters. We have been crying out for a captain for years but again red-tinted specs from me here, our last great team, VDS, Evra, Neville, Rio, Vidic. 5 Leaders in defence and captains in their own right that's even before you get to Rooney, Ronaldo, Giggs etc. Out of this current mob who is standing up for the rest of the team. Who is going to go toe to toe with a Troy Deeney, Mark Noble, Fernandiniho or Jordan Henderson, get stuck in, take a yellow but make no bones about it, Noble or Henderson won't be bullying any of the young players in this team ?? Nobody. Closest I have seen this year is McTominay and the kid is out injured.
Agree. The squad is too thin now for any manager to succeed. Transfer business must be much more flexible and more savvy if we are to see fast progress. And even then it will take some seasons to try to correct the mess we are currently in. We only have Rashford as our stand out performer and 5-6 half decent players; the rest are prospects and deadwood. The approach now is the right one I think with signing cheap young up and coming players blended with some (not too many) marquee signings. Even Woodward writes that this is the approach in the last quarterly report. I don't think we have the financial warchest to do it any other way at the moment, given that the Glazers don't want to give United any of their money. The recruitment under Woodward is so bad that he without a doubt should go! We should try to buy underrated players more often. Look at the Takumi Minamino signing for 7 mill pounds to Liverpool, exactly the type of signing we should be sniffing at ourselves.
I agree, Jose was about to call them out, as he was no way going to take all the blame for the mess we were in, the problem was he is just such a hard person to like when he behaves like that, and the club pulled the trigger before he really said anything too bad, and people were just glad to be shut of him, so bought into the utter crap that happened after then.
To me Ole been here is win win now, if he had made it work then great, but it been a 'club legend' struggling so badly has just focused the attention the right way this time, and long may it continue.
While I agree we need changes beyond the identity of the manager, I honestly don't believe that. We've had four managers since Fergie - two great ones, who we signed when they were after their peak, and two others who don''t belong to this level. While a top quality modern manager would not solve everything, I think he would make a huge difference and could help the healing process. I don't think the people running United have bad intentions. They are just clueless, and that leads to more errors and silly PR stuff in order to protect themselves. Having a man in charge of the team who knows what he's doing will make everything easier for everyone and set a way forward for everyone.
Mourinho does it at every club and it’s like the boy calls wolf story. Ole is Mr Nice Guy and it would definitely provoke a storm if he spoke out. This type of task should not be on the manager but, if ever Ole really wants to leap to the front of the United legends queue, resigning with no NDA and telling it like it is would really seal the deal.
I'm not convinced on Maguire at all. I was sceptical when we signed him but we did need a defender and he was the most obvious target. So obviously I want him to do well. I like him as a character, but he is SO slow on the pitch it is unreal...and I don't just mean in that he can't run very fast (which he can't), but he just seems to react and move very slowly. We concede goals because he is never quite in the right position. He is usually trying to get there. It's not like he disappears, but anyone with a bit of sharpness seems to find it so easy to get a yard or two on him. The second goal last night is a good example. It's a good goal, but Maguire should be between the player and the goal. Instead he's still in the process of getting there and a long way off. There was a point in the first half where they showed a replay of a Burnley attack, and in the 5 second clip Maguire wrongly claims offside twice, fouls someone by pulling them back after letting them run past him, then loses track of the ball and ends up out of position. Nothing came of it, but you just don't see top level defenders fumbling around like this.
It sounds like I'm butchering him but I want him to do well and wouldn't write a player off after one season, particularly not when they're under the pressur ehe is and we're struggling as a team, but I think, from Ole's point of view, making him captain is ridiculous. What should be happening at the moment is he's taken out of the firing line for a few games, partly to ease the pressure on him and partly to focus him into hopefully improving, but of course we can't do that because we sent Smalling off to Roma and threw all our chips in on Maguire straight away, before he'd even played a game for us.
Also with Lindelof, I remember someone saying last year that we have 3-4 centrebacks who are good centrebacks if they have someone commanding next to them...I think this is just a kind way of saying we have 3-4 centrebacks who aren't quite good enough.
I think Zlatan is a big miss even though he was only here a short while, because he was a character. A leader and a winner. The kind of player who's standard is to always be better than everyone else and who'd let others know if they weren't trying to reach the same standard or were impeding him from being able to. I think Rashford is the only player we have like that now...in that he clearly pushes himself...but he's 22. When someone is older/experienced, other players look up to them and they carry a presence. When you're 22 you don't command that respect no matter how much character you might have. If we had 5-6 22 year olds with Rashford's attitude and the ability to go some way to backing it up, it'd fine as it'd be infectious, but we don't. Unfortunately acquiring leaders/winners is quite difficult when you're in 5th place and your CEO couldn't buy a sandwich without negotiating so long that he starves to death and the sandwich goes out of date.
Maybe if we got a top class manager it would improve things to an extent, but there's two problems; 1) there aren't actually very many managers like that around, and the only two obvious ones are managing City and Liverpool. 2) Any manager of that calibre would surely not want to manage United UNLESS the issues that have bogged down Ole and our previous managers were sorted out first. It's public knowledge now. Maybe LVG didn't know what he was getting into (as he has basically admitted), and maybe Jose didn't either or was just desperate to manage United...but the idiocy at this club is so out in the open now it's going to put any manager who knows they can get a top job off. Why would they come here and struggle to finish 4th, get shot and sniped at and picked apart, while the club fecks them around, when they can just wait a bit and go to Chelsea, PSG, Real, Bayern, etc?
It is a bit like saying if Ole had better players he'd do better...it's an obvious point but a meaningless one unless the club is able to sign them....and if Ole isn't good enough, it wouldn't suddenly make him good enough. I feel I'm being harsh on Ole as well as although he definitely hasn't proven he is good enough, the nonsense at the club at the moment makes it genuinely impossible for him to prove he is. It's like Jose saying it was his greatest achievement to get United to 2nd. I'd put Ole down as an actual miracle worker if he got this club to 4th (and I don't think he will). In reality the only reason I can say "if" is due to the poor performance of other teams keeping United more in touch than they should be.
It is defending Woodward when some one trots out the claim 'managers made their choices'. Mourinho was famously sacked later in a season after Woodward decided to make no serious investment in the playing staff in the summer window.
Going as far as implying in the press that mourinho did not want "long term solutions" for the club in his transfer targets nor a director of football. Yet a year on, not only did he go on to sign mourinho's main target, he still hasn't appointed a DOF. Plus yet another summer of under investing in the squad took place. Under a different manager.
But people want us to believe that some how it's just the managers doing this to themselves......
Mourinho with his squad finished 2nd in the league. The next season, things went south cos Mourinho didnt get his desired CB (interestingly same Maguire we spent $10m+ more on the next summer - wonder whether we wouldnt have been better off buying the CB for Mourinho back then) and (typical Mourinho) decided to throw a tantrum and sabotage his own team.
That 'better squad' is what Ole inherited from Mourinho and it was made into what it is today by Ole. If the current squad is worse than what Ole inherited, the implication is that Ole spent $150m+ to make a squad worse - shouldn't that be enough reason to fire him?
The squad that Ole inherited was same squad that finished 2nd +Fred+Dalot with Daley Blind leaving. Since Ole has taken over we have lost Fellaini, Herrera, Valencia, Lukaku, Darmian and Ashley Young (with Sanchez and Smalling on Loan). Yet all he has brought in is AWB, Maguire and Daniel James. It was never a great squad but Ole bled the squad of whatever little quality was in it.
What Ole is doing is not a rebuild. You rebuild a team by making it better not by making it worse.
I just hated the players Jose sold.
I think Ole would have got the Lyon version of depay by rotating him with Martial centrally & Jose only sold him because he comes in to clubs with one set tactic.
Blind would be useful at CB for a counterattacking team and so much better than Lindelof & if he didn't sell him we could possibly have not had players like Lindelof & maguire - gone for Maguire & kept Smalling aswell.
Mkhitarayan wasn't the best but was more than decent in that first europa league winning season and is better than the CAM we have now & still would be just for experience or squad depth.
Everything is hingsight though & it's no point worrying about the past anymore.
I think Ole would have got the Lyon version of depay by rotating him with Martial centrally & Jose only sold him because he comes in to clubs with one set tactic.
Blind would be useful at CB for a counterattacking team and so much better than Lindelof & if he didn't sell him we could possibly have not had players like Lindelof & maguire - gone for Maguire & kept Smalling aswell.
Mkhitarayan wasn't the best but was more than decent in that first europa league winning season and is better than the CAM we have now & still would be just for experience or squad depth.
Everything is hingsight though & it's no point worrying about the past anymore.
From what you said, the only deadwood I can pick out that has been sold are Sanchez and Darmian. How is that clearing deadwood that Ole is praised for. The majority of deadwood are still in the squad.
Also I'm reiterating, Maguire is an overexpensive defender that doesn't suit the high line Ole plays. Wan Bissaka like you said is a very good defender and I really like him but as boring as it sounds, his attacking games still needs improvement. And like I said, Ole's style of play has the full backs push forward so why sign one that is not good enough in that aspect. James is a squad player at best so I'm not going to complain about that signing. So why did Ole sign two starters in AWB and Maguire who do not fit his ste of play
The Haaland deal was a blow but it's a bit damming for a club of our status to sign a player with a very cheap release clause, even Ole was against it you know. But the most damming thing for me is how we completely pulled out of looking for a striker that we still clearly needed afte the Haaland deal fell through. Until the Rashford injury there was no more news of signing a striker. Why???
Now this notion "No manager can succeed here", is based on Ed not backing his managers. But here's the thing. Ole last summer had a net spend of 70m. In hindsight it looks like enough money was not provided to Ole and the backing was not there. But what would you say about Liverpools board and Klopp. In Klopps first two seasons, he had a net spend of minus 4m and the second season of minus 24m. Imagine if it was Ole that had this net spend. Would you say Klopp was backed properly? Yet look at what he did with the little money provided to him. By his second full season with Liverpool they became champions league runner up. Klopp built a very good Liverpool team in his two full seasons with a fecking minus net spend. This will translate to very poor backing by our board if it was us. The same thing can be said about how Pochettino built his Tottenham side with very low net spend or backing. Look at Inter and Conte now.
How can you say no manager will be successful here because our board won't provide the budget to make it so. Yet the money provided to Ole last summer is more than what was spent by Klopp, Pochettino and Conte to build a very competitive side. We complain about Ole not being backed even after having already a higher budget to work with and spending more than these coaches that built strong sides.
It's clear as day our Board is incompetent, our structure is fecked. But all it takes to get this side competitive again is the right players and the right manager and not many will give a feck about the board anymore. We've had 4 different managers but I believe it was more on the managers abilities that led to this clubs failure because these managers including Ole spent way more than their peers and still couldn't make them as competitive. Can you imagine what Klopp would have done to this team with the money given to Mourinho or LVG. So Don't you think it's a case of Ed's undeniable inability to appoint the right manager which is why we've been failing rather than the right managers being in the wrong structure. Most of them were backed more than their peers for fecks sake and they still couldn't make our side competitive. Again, imagine what Klopp would have done with the money given to Mourinho.
Our managerial appointments have been shit. Moyes and Ole are managers for low tier teams. And LVG and Mourinho were past it. If you don't think so then what did LVG do after he was sacked, where is he now? How good has Mourinho been after he was sacked by us? Same thing even with Moyes. And in the end, Woodward is to blame for all this
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The lengths Ole supporters will go to comfort themselves. First, it was 'we are rebuilding', now it's 'we are still fixing the mess that was left behind'.
The deluded part is that they'd trust a manager like Ole to oversee this 'rebuilding' and 'fixing the mess'.
The deluded part is that they'd trust a manager like Ole to oversee this 'rebuilding' and 'fixing the mess'.
So you're gonna blame Ole for those players leaving ? I think it needs to be remembered that the Ole came in by Christmas of the previous year. By then the club was in shambles (worst state I'v ever seen the dressing room ever) and they royally screwed the contract situation with Herrera. Fellaini and Valencia basically retired and tbf they were coming to the end of their professional careers at least at this level.
Ole never hinted he wanted to sell Lukaku during or before the summer, he clearly wanted out since he'd have to compete with Rashy and Martial and no longer had the undroppable status he did during Mourinho's reign. That was unacceptable at the time, we all saw how he injured himself with his first touch. I agree that was also down to him not having any support but again that's down to recruitment in the previous years,.
And yes we only got 3 players in the summer but are you telling me, he a player who was part of a legendary team thought 3 people were enough for that squad, that broke down to bits at the end of the season ? Cmon dude that's laughable, the club is trying to take a stance that they aren't willing to pay premium anymore which essentially cost us missing most of our targets and delaying the Maguire deal until we had to pay over the odds and also why the Bruno deal is in limbo right now. But still I can see all 3 of them playing a big part in our success in the future, if it all goes right. Not a huge stride but definitely players who can be part of the rebuild.
A rebuild for us meant kicking out deadwood, which I believe most of the players you mentioned were, bringing in the youth and building on from there with the players we need for our style of play. This isn't a band-aid fix that will magically work with one transfer window and that too a window where we only got 3 players when we needed at least 6. And that is totally on the board and their screw ups over the past years.
Look, I don't know if Ole is the right man in the long term. I do know you can't judge him or any other manager with this squad, they'd all end up the same Poch, Pep, Mourinho whoever. What matters is the decisions we make now and that it follows a plan. Honestly, look at that squad and tell me that's not a mid-table team
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Don't know if you connected the dots yet but I think the two might be related right ?
Whoever ends up managing this club would indeed need to rebuild going forward, to fix the mess caused in the past half decade, particularly clearing out the deadwood and recruitment
Every time we lose a game you get the same posters posting “what do you think now, still backing Ole??!?” which completely misses the point of every post made by “pro-Ole” supporters.
I won’t criticise a single one of our managers until Woodward is gone or moves aside. The Utd job has been impossible for 6/7 years and it’s never been harder than right now when the squad is poorer than its ever been
I won’t criticise a single one of our managers until Woodward is gone or moves aside. The Utd job has been impossible for 6/7 years and it’s never been harder than right now when the squad is poorer than its ever been
Jeez. I agree so much with this post
AWB has been a brilliant signing. One of our best defenders and no question his attacking play has improved since August.
James is a damn revelation and anyone who doesn't see that has no sense or has had their judgment completely clouded by the last month when James was clearly overplayed.
Woodward is a goddamn idiot. For someone who claims to be a deal maker, he consistently has failed at dealmaking when it comes down to United's biggest assets - our players.
We should have fecking replaced them.
I don’t disagree
https://www.skysports.com/football/...inho-manchester-united-and-racism-in-football.
Maybe the wrong thread. For me, that shows why It was 100% right to get rid of Lukaku. A Player who constantly needs a kick up the arse or an arm around the shoulder. A player who was not prepared to stand up and be a leader and help those around them who needed leading.
Maybe the wrong thread. For me, that shows why It was 100% right to get rid of Lukaku. A Player who constantly needs a kick up the arse or an arm around the shoulder. A player who was not prepared to stand up and be a leader and help those around them who needed leading.
Its incredible that this stuff still gets bought up, and also highlights how regularly and efficiently this forum will reinvent history in order to justify a current argument. There isn't a single player that has been let go that hadn't at some point been the subject of enormous criticism on here. Now they are used as sticks to beat the manager with.
Some of these players should have been replaced quicker than they will end up being - that is beyond question. However they definitely all needed to go. In 2 or 3 years time few people will still care about what happened this season but we will certainly be looking at a better squad of footballers
What the actual feck is this. The excuses and attempted rationale for Ole are mind bending at this stage.
If Farke had better results Norwich wouldn't be bottom and if Pep had better results City would be top. Would all the 'Ole in brigade' drop the charade, he's utterly woeful and out of his depth. While sticking to views can be commendable, in this case it's downright arrogance and/or delusions of the highest order.
You must even admit yourself that the above is based on pure wishful thinking right?
Solskjaer is Woodward and the Glazers' man and they want Solskjaer to stay in the job. On the other hand, if the board are forced to change managers, they will be under more pressure to get the appointment right, or face more fan dissent. Changing managers puts more pressure on them. It won't get them off the hook, just as sacking Mourinho and appointing Solskjaer hasn't gotten them off the hook.
I agree, but be wary, the Ole out crowd will be all over us for thinking that.
It's fear, mate.
It's fear that we've tried other methods and all have failed, so if this one fails, we are doomed.
Summary: Ole got a squad, spent $150m+ to make it worse and yet it is somebody else's fault. Got it!
Yes - based on my belief that the club are now targeting the right types of players.
For me its no more of a stretch than thinking that a change of manager is going to make much of a difference.
I think it isn't that unpopular. The haters and clueless people are just louder. They will think changing manager every 2 years will finally turn into something good.
Maybe Ole is the wrong guy but there are way more important things to work on before getting another new manager. Furthermore I am impressed with MCT this season and i was even more impressed with Rashford and Ole should take credits for that.
We have serious injuries and had a too think squad before. While i am glad we finally get rid of deadwood, i am shocked we don't replace it.
The board really screws the managers. Where is our AM and RW? Should be already here regardless of our injuries
What people love about the three year rebuild and why so invested in it is because it puts an end date o this mess. It’s something to cling to, the end is sight.
Problem is it’s a CEO who has presided over complete failure and continues to mess everything up and a manager who never should have been employed overseeing it. That’s the hit you have to ignore if you want to back it.
I can't see that he's in any position to apply any pressure behind the scenes. He's managing one of the biggest clubs in the world, despite the fact that no other Premier League team would have him. The fans are losing faith and he's seemingly only still in place because the board have decided it suits them, for now at least. Seems to me he has no leverage whatsoever.
I keep seeing this but I don't quite get it. Sanchez literally contributed nothing. He was completely useless in basically every way. You can put any youngster there instead of him and they won't do any worse.
And at any rate, we can consider Dan James to be Sanchez's replacement. But I repeat, someone who contributes nothing doesn't need to be "replaced" before letting him go.
If we are going to hire a "top" manager, he would have to be given a war chest to spend. Any manager doing a rebuild would have to recruit his own players to succeed like Klopp and Guardiola. We don't have that war chest and are instead trying to lower our wage bill. Ole has to endure being a scapegoat for his period here, where he will achieve mediocre results, develop younger players and reduce the overall wage bill. And I do think the Glazers will give in and sack Woodward in the summer. If people think it is a problem that Ole oversees a rebuild, I don't agree. I think it is more a problem that Ed Woodward oversees a rebuild.
That's not true at all, hyperbolic nonsense I'm afraid. He was nothing remotely like what we expected of him, but completely useless in every single way just isn't true.
He scored 5 goals in 45 games. Three Premier League goals in 32 games. That isn't a contribution that must be replaced. He's not missed at all: we have enough bodies to play in his position. Most of those aren't very good, true, but neither was Sánchez. He was terrible, in fact.
I agree with you on 9/10 posts but nah, Sanchez was useless in every single way for me. The single worst football transfer (taking context into account) I can think of, it'll never be beaten.
I never said he was praised for clearing the "deadwood". I just pointed out that actually, some of the players who have left weren't down to him.
This deadwood argument is childish anyway. Who started using this term? If Ole got rid of all the players people on here label as deadwood, we'd have about 6 players left in our squad...and then people would start calling half of them deadwood as soon as it became clear we couldn't win a game. They are our players and ones we have to use because we have no one else, so they are not deadwood.
Wan Bissaka is still young and his attacking game really isn't that bad at all. It's a lazy criticism. At some point someone has randomly decided it is ok to criticise our right back for being less good going forwards than Ronaldo. The list of fullbacks who are as good going forwards as people seem to think our one should be, has literally no one on it. He suits our style of play just fine...as you would be able to tell if you remember what happens when we play someone else there.
A majority of the goals we concede are from set pieces or come when we are back and in our defensive shape, so the high line argument doesn't really work. I agree Maguire isn't suited to it, and he's been caught out too often as a result, but he is just too slow in any defensive situation. A bigger problem has been him not being near enough to his man from balls played into our box or into the feet of the striker. Ole making him captain is ridiculous to me as it is ignoring the fact he isn't doing his job well enough, and it sends a message to the team that this is ok (which also sends a message that the manager doesn't know what's going on).
I can't defend the Haaland thing. It's completely ridiculous. Ole has said he was against it but Woodward is the one in charge of transfers so it's his responsibility. It's not exactly a secret now that he is good at fecking them up and actually costing rather than saving the club money in the process. I still think it's fair to criticise Ole tbh just for trying to defend it, even if that is all he is doing. He could have just said nothing or made it clear he was disappointed not to sign him.
You are again being ignorant of the situation we are in as a club. Klopp did have good backing at Liverpool. He didn't spend much in his first couple of years, but he didn't come into the job when his CEO had deliberately run the contracts down of half of his squad and acquired a bunch of players who didn't want to be there, and spent the last 6 months deliberately not letting his previous manager do there job properly. Klopp is also probably the best current manager in the world. He also, by his own admission, WAS offered the job here, and turned it down because he didn't think much of Woodward...I mean what more evidence do you want? Not only that, but he also moaned repeatedly about City spending more money than him, and then only started to compete with them AFTER Liverpool started spending shitloads of money.
It isn't as simple as what money is spent either. We pay our players too much, we manage their contracts terribly, we pay significantly more than what other teams would pay for the same players, and take significantly longer to sign them. Years longer in fact. You go on about our net spend this summer, but without Maguire it would be -£10m or more....and Maguire SHOULD have been signed last summer, and for £10m or more less than we paid for him. It's a bit like saying Ole should be able to build a house with half the materials needed because the club paid more for the materials than most people would for a whole house. Get yourself a better builder, first thing they will tell you is they can't build a house with half the materials.
You can't really have it both ways. Claim a majority of the squad is deadwood (as you literally have in your own posts), then claim that it is fair to criticise Ole for not building a successful team out of them because they cost so much money. How do you explain how these two arguments work next to each other? They obviously don't. Pick which argument it is you are trying to make instead of just latching at reasons to be critical.
And you've come right back to the point. Even if you blame the managers entirely for everything, at this point you are still looking at the person appointing them rather than the managers, because when you get it wrong 4 times in a row it means you simply don't know how to get it right. I don't think any of the four have done a good enough job, but I also think all four have been hampered hugely by Woodward...and it's not really theorising at this point. Woodward's press leaks on their own provide ample evidence he is an idiot, without even having to take the word of the likes of LVG or Jose.
I wouldn't say it's unfair to criticise Ole at this point. I think you can make an argument he isn't good enough, just as you can make an argument he has been put in a position where it is impossible for him. You can't really make an argument that he's proven he is good enough because you pretty much have to pick one of the two previous lines, or somewhere in-between. What I find bizarre is this idea that sacking him and replacing him with someone else will magically solve any of the major problems. Shoving all the blame onto the manager just gives Woodward licence to sack them and then carry on fecking things up for another year/2 years until we are back having the same argument again.
We can all cry and argue in here everyday all we want. I don't care if you are for Ole or against Ole because there is a bigger problem and that's the owners and Ed.
They have messed up everything from new managers to new playing staff for years and if we sack Ole there is zero evidence they won't mess up the next appointment as well .
It looks like we have very little money to spend on transfers anymore and today the main rumour is Tevez on loan . A player who at 35 can't get a game in the Argentine league .
Until we rid ourselves of the Glazers and Ed then it doesn't even matter who manages the club because we are going one way . We have no hope of competing with Pool or City unless we do a City and have one big window and fix our problems on the pitch but we won't .
They have messed up everything from new managers to new playing staff for years and if we sack Ole there is zero evidence they won't mess up the next appointment as well .
It looks like we have very little money to spend on transfers anymore and today the main rumour is Tevez on loan . A player who at 35 can't get a game in the Argentine league .
Until we rid ourselves of the Glazers and Ed then it doesn't even matter who manages the club because we are going one way . We have no hope of competing with Pool or City unless we do a City and have one big window and fix our problems on the pitch but we won't .
Your major argument here is that no manager can be successful under Woodward. But let's say Ole is sacked now and Klopp takes over. Ed decides to 'back' Klopp for 3 years by allowing him to have the same net spend as Mourinho did in 3 years - 280m. Do you think he will fail here? Keep in mind that Liverpool current net spend since Klopp took over is 73m. So do you think Klopp would fail here after being provided with 207m more than what he got at Liverpool. If you think he will I would love to know why because that will give me some insight.
There's also Pochettino who built a Tottenham side more competitive than us under a similar management. Yet his Tottenham team were champions league customers and even went on to the final.