What's going on in France?

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It's the financial times.

Larger vocabulary version of Fox News. No reporting without agenda. Murdoch has no connection to Macron, hence we get opinions like that.

Feck em, they are making fools of themeselves.


Edit: Never mind this post, I was wrong.
 
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It's the financial times.

Larger vocabulary version of Fox News. No reporting without agenda. Murdoch has no connection to Macron, hence we get opinions like that.

Feck em, they are making fools of themeselves.
Murdoch? You're not confusing the Financial Times with the Times by any chance?

I like the FT. It's quite pro-Europe in general which drives the looney right bonkers, Portillo hates them to point of apoplexy.
 

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Murdoch? You're not confusing the Financial Times with the Times by any chance?

I like the FT. It's quite pro-Europe in general which drives the looney right bonkers, Portillo hates them to point of apoplexy.
You are right.

Guess i'm the fool now :(.


(I was thinking of the WSJ, i'm becoming a bit paranoid :eek:)
 
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Just to reassure the British, moronic politicians aren't exclusive to the HoC.

My vote for the most moronic still is Marine Le Pen, who once more outdoes herself . She thinks the minimum wage in France is €36 per hour.
Video clip in french.
 
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"Macron cut short a weekend ski trip in the Pyrenees to return to the capital on Saturday night for a crisis meeting with ministers."

Gòod to hear he has his priorities right
 

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What’s happening here then? I see numerous videos on twitter but not much coverage in UK media. Are the protests still going strong and why aren’t they being covered much in our media?
That video is from four and a half months ago, haven't seen a gilet jaune for months, all sort of fizzled out apart from those who wanted to use it to smash things, especially after the Gilet jaunes got about 0.00001% of the vote in the Europeans.
 

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Looks like the strikes are working



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The 'pension spend as a percentage of GDP' is interesting for the UK. Doesn't really fit in with the current left wing narrative that our pensioners have it easy. Looks like they get less in the UK than most countries in Europe.
 

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The 'pension spend as a percentage of GDP' is interesting for the UK. Doesn't really fit in with the current left wing narrative that our pensioners have it easy. Looks like they get less in the UK than most countries in Europe.

Almost certainly, the UK State Pension is amongst the lowest in most developed, first world countries.

And the wholesale switch over from Defined Benefit to Defined Contribution for Company Pensions which has taken place over the last decade is just storing up even more and more serious Pensioner Poverty problems for the future.
 

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Almost certainly, the UK State Pension is amongst the lowest in most developed, first world countries.

And the wholesale switch over from Defined Benefit to Defined Contribution for Company Pensions which has taken place over the last decade is just storing up even more and more serious Pensioner Poverty problems for the future.
Yes, company pensions will be less in years to come, but I'm actually more concerned for the many that have little more than the state pension now. An awful lot of today's pensioners never belonged to a company scheme, or else only did for a few years.
 

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Yes, company pensions will be less in years to come, but I'm actually more concerned for the many that have little more than the state pension now. An awful lot of today's pensioners never belonged to a company scheme, or else only did for a few years.

Yes.....I quite agree.

My 66 years old brother had a fairly decent, reasonably well paid job with the same, small family owned company for almost 40 years. His final salary before retiring was about £ 40k per year but although the family had their own Directors' Pension Scheme, there was no Scheme for employees until the legislation came in ( was it ?? ) last year or the year before.

His State Pension is about now £ 140 per week having never been unemployed and so he has paid his NIC contributions, in full, since he started work at 16 years old.

His new-ish wife is 67 years old and hasn't worked since she was first married at 21 years old. Her State pension is about £140 per week also.

Absolute madness in both cases - my brother is expected to continue his life unchanged although his income has dropped from £40k per year to £ £8k per year despite having paid his State Pension contributions, 100%, for 50 years while his wife hasn't paid anything for 50 years and gets the same amount.

In fact, it's not madness - it's scandalous.
 

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Yes.....I quite agree.

My 66 years old brother had a fairly decent, reasonably well paid job with the same, small family owned company for almost 40 years. His final salary before retiring was about £ 40k per year but although the family had their own Directors' Pension Scheme, there was no Scheme for employees until the legislation came in ( was it ?? ) last year or the year before.

His State Pension is about now £ 140 per week having never been unemployed and so he has paid his NIC contributions, in full, since he started work at 16 years old.

His new-ish wife is 67 years old and hasn't worked since she was first married at 21 years old. Her State pension is about £140 per week also.

Absolute madness in both cases - my brother is expected to continue his life unchanged although his income has dropped from £40k per year to £ £8k per year despite having paid his State Pension contributions, 100%, for 50 years while his wife hasn't paid anything for 50 years and gets the same amount.

In fact, it's not madness - it's scandalous.
It's more scandalous how much your brother receives, rather than the £140 per week his wife gets.
For supposedly one of the richest countries in the world, we spend almost emerging market levels on healthcare and pensions per head.
 

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Yes.....I quite agree.

My 66 years old brother had a fairly decent, reasonably well paid job with the same, small family owned company for almost 40 years. His final salary before retiring was about £ 40k per year but although the family had their own Directors' Pension Scheme, there was no Scheme for employees until the legislation came in ( was it ?? ) last year or the year before.

His State Pension is about now £ 140 per week having never been unemployed and so he has paid his NIC contributions, in full, since he started work at 16 years old.

His new-ish wife is 67 years old and hasn't worked since she was first married at 21 years old. Her State pension is about £140 per week also.

Absolute madness in both cases - my brother is expected to continue his life unchanged although his income has dropped from £40k per year to £ £8k per year despite having paid his State Pension contributions, 100%, for 50 years while his wife hasn't paid anything for 50 years and gets the same amount.

In fact, it's not madness - it's scandalous.
I wholeheartedly agree with you.

But I’ll add a whopping caveat that is;

People should go through a natural bell-curve in Life that sees you arrive at 65 years of ageWithout;
- An unscratched or unrealised travel itch
- An existing loan or mortgage
- Large value outgoings
- Expensive habits you can’t afford

All of those things are possible, and all should be targets.

Anyone that counters with “People work so hard and should be able to enjoy their retirement”.... is going to be missing the point.

Unless you have a continuing valuable employable skill that you want to do (not NEED) to do, or you’ve saved a large sum of money.... You should be arriving at 65 and retirement with some semblance of restraint, budgeting ability and a realisation that the costliest period of your life is long behind you.

You should not expect your 66th year to look anything like your 46th or 56th. You should know this in your 36th year.
 

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It's more scandalous how much your brother receives, rather than the £140 per week his wife gets.
For supposedly one of the richest countries in the world, we spend almost emerging market levels on healthcare and pensions per head.
Basically summed up why the tories always win.
 

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I wholeheartedly agree with you.

But I’ll add a whopping caveat that is;

People should go through a natural bell-curve in Life that sees you arrive at 65 years of ageWithout;
- An unscratched or unrealised travel itch
- An existing loan or mortgage
- Large value outgoings
- Expensive habits you can’t afford

All of those things are possible, and all should be targets.

Anyone that counters with “People work so hard and should be able to enjoy their retirement”.... is going to be missing the point.

Unless you have a continuing valuable employable skill that you want to do (not NEED) to do, or you’ve saved a large sum of money.... You should be arriving at 65 and retirement with some semblance of restraint, budgeting ability and a realisation that the costliest period of your life is long behind you.

You should not expect your 66th year to look anything like your 46th or 56th. You should know this in your 36th year.

I more or less agree with your caveats.

They do, however, require your 40>50 years of employment to have been continuous with no periods of unemployment ; no long term illness / sickness, particularly if you're self-employed ; not to have contributed to your childrens' education or house purchase ; and not to have taken the financial hit which usually comes from a divorce.

All of which are pretty big assumptions / requirements and not everyone, with their best will / intentions / planning in the world can avoid those situations and any one of them will usually throw you way off course.

My brother was divorced by his wife in his 50s - expensive !!
 

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I more or less agree with your caveats.

They do, however, require your 40>50 years of employment to have been continuous with no periods of unemployment ; no long term illness / sickness, particularly if you're self-employed ; not to have contributed to your childrens' education or house purchase ; and not to have taken the financial hit which usually comes from a divorce.

All of which are pretty big assumptions / requirements and not everyone, with their best will / intentions / planning in the world can avoid those situations and any one of them will usually throw you way off course.

My brother was divorced by his wife in his 50s - expensive !!
Absolutely.

You’d also need some base level of financial management taught in schools, education on compound interest, and and and.

There are many holes in the system.

But if society armed citizens with a means to unburden the system, the system would be able to help people more.

It’s so easily fixable.
 

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I think France deserves to have its very own word for "protest" in the dictionary.

Bet firefighters everywhere wish they could fight cops too. One of those in their dreams kinda things.

Edit: jokes on me - apparently it has its roots in Latin AND old French. That's kind of hilarious.
 

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You are actually late, the protesters lost and basically abandoned last week. The CGT decided to turn against an other union because they don't see things the same way.
 

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Love France. Plenty of Protesters take it too far, as do the Police. But they resolutely cling to the concept that the government is ruled by the people.
 

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Love France. Plenty of Protesters take it too far, as do the Police. But they resolutely cling to the concept that the government is ruled by the people.
Except they have not the slightest interest in the people as a whole, they are protesting purely on their own behalf for their own industries only. If they had been trying to gain better pensions for all I would have agreed with you.
 

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Except they have not the slightest interest in the people as a whole, they are protesting purely on their own behalf for their own industries only. If they had been trying to gain better pensions for all I would have agreed with you.
Yeah that selective outrage by the unions worked pretty well back in the day I guess when you didn't have the type of coverage you have now, but now it doesn't just go over the backs of everyone else--those everyone else notice what they re doing too and are losing sympathy because of it.
 

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Except they have not the slightest interest in the people as a whole, they are protesting purely on their own behalf for their own industries only. If they had been trying to gain better pensions for all I would have agreed with you.
You mean the fire department? Think they are a bit late to the part just to keep the protest/pressure going. Majority protestors have already left and back to work cause they were losing their pay.
 

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You mean the fire department? Think they are a bit late to the part just to keep the protest/pressure going. Majority protestors have already left and back to work cause they were losing their pay.
The protests aren't linked. Firefighters protested against the violence against them.