Grealish is hardly a CAM. He's more a CM or a LM - I don't think it's going to stop us getting him.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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It would be too obvious to put him on corners though. I don't suspect ole is clever enough. He'll leave them to Andreas and Mata.
Who even cares. If you check top teams don't play with 10s. The ones that play have better players in their team so it doesn't make sense to add 60 million player
Not many clubs can afford 60 million, among the clubs that can offer that money, how many use 10?
That alone rules out Madrid, Barca, Atletico, PSG, Juventus (who don't even play Dybala as AM/ss),
That leaves only PL clubs, only City use AMs as CMs and they have KdB playing in that position.
Why other clubs aren't interested shouldn't be our concern, if he is the player who can improve and contribute well then that's the only thing that should matter.
Also Spurs wanted him last summer but didn't reach agreement with Sporting.
For those of you who are still new to Brunooooo!, here is a quick bio by a Benfica fan.
Long story short, the guy thinks he will improve us greatly.
Bruno Fernandes to Manchester United Saga: Bio, Background, Strengths, Positioning
Long story short, the guy thinks he will improve us greatly.
Bruno Fernandes to Manchester United Saga: Bio, Background, Strengths, Positioning
What I like about this, is that he doesn't seem to need a lot of time on the ball and a lot of his dangerous passes are instinctive, first time attempts, or one touch and pass. Suggests to me he won't be overawed by the hustle and bustle of the prem.
He’s class. I genuinely think hes potentially a great player. Big risk big reward.
He’d be a godsend to James and Rashford on that evidence.
To be realistic - I think it's reasonable to expect that Bruno may not be a break-away success and may not even be able to help us too much this season. He will hopefully be better than some deadwood we have, but players need time to adjust to Premier League. Yes, we can get lucky and he may be an instant success, but a much more likely scenario is that it will take time. Bruno is not world class, he is more like Fred level and will be very valuable for us, but remember how long Fred took to become useful?
We should tame our expectations, and give guy some space, if we get him. Or for instant impact we should buy Grealish or Madison, but I don't see anybody selling those to us, certainly not in the Winter window...
We should tame our expectations, and give guy some space, if we get him. Or for instant impact we should buy Grealish or Madison, but I don't see anybody selling those to us, certainly not in the Winter window...
I'm really impressed by his weight of pass. He has that Scholes like ability to make it check up with a bit of spin. Martial, Rash, Greenwood and James will love this guy.
Yes! I've noticed also that a lot of long passes these days are too floaty, his seem to dip quickly and either run on quickly into the space or spin and check, like you suggested.
Really hope he signs and even more, I hope he gets off to a good start. He'll be crucified if he doesn't.
Pros/potential:
- Best scoring stats in Europe for an attacking midfielder (last season scored 33 goals, this season so far scored 15 goals, very impressive!)
- Best player in Portugal league over past 2 season (same league as Joao Felix, the wonder kid who cost Athletico 113m)
- He can't be worst than Lingard/Pereira, hence a guarantee improvement for our no.10 role
Cons/Risk:
- Never prove himself in top level despite being already 25
- Failed in Serie A over 4 seasons
- His stats for Portugal national team isn't really good at all (2 goals in 19 games)
- Best scoring stats in Europe for an attacking midfielder (last season scored 33 goals, this season so far scored 15 goals, very impressive!)
- Best player in Portugal league over past 2 season (same league as Joao Felix, the wonder kid who cost Athletico 113m)
- He can't be worst than Lingard/Pereira, hence a guarantee improvement for our no.10 role
Cons/Risk:
- Never prove himself in top level despite being already 25
- Failed in Serie A over 4 seasons
- His stats for Portugal national team isn't really good at all (2 goals in 19 games)
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We aren't City, most teams don't carry two £50M+ players that are competing for a spot, I mean look at who we have competing for the front 4 spots right now, 4 of them are from the Academy and the one we brought in was a cheapie from the Championship. We are a club as a whole that struggles to bring one player in for a positioon let alone 2.
I agree but more expensive mistakes aren't going to help the process.
Grealish hasn't played in a proper CM role that I've ever seen and playing off the left is pretty worthless to us as Rashford starts 95% of the time in the position.
What evidence do you have that "nobody else is interested"? There're reports that Barcelona want him in the summer and Valencia wants him on a loan.
Bruno has officially said that he wants to play in PL, so that may affect what he chooses to pursue. And we certainly don't know all of the negotiations going on. So "nobody else is interested" is a gross speculation.
I agree with you on the levels.
But with all the desperation some fans feel right now, I hope he is given the time to settle into a very different culture and football league. Plus the insane level of focus he will be exposed to at Manchester United.
Hope fans have learned from examples like Vidic, Evra or even Fred that it can take time for foreign imports to fulfill their full potential and reach the level we all demand.
Ole played Pogba as a CM/DM this season, why would Bruno be Pogba’s replacement. Bruno is an upgrade of Pereira/Lingard and also supposed to be Mata’s replacement last summer, we couldn’t get Bruno in the summer so we extended Mata’s contract instead.
Yes, we are not City - we have more money than City... for now, but that won't last if we don't get our shit together.
And "competing for a spot" is an exaggeration. Pogba hasn't played all season and will probably end-up missing 2/3 of it. And he could be gone in the summer, so in reality - we may not actually have him. Not to mention that Pogba and Bruno are not necessarily playing the same position. Pogba can play most positions in midfield (except for DMF) but ideally you would have Pogba playing deeper alongside a good DMF, and Bruno playing further up. If you had a Kante-like superb DMF, it would make one kick-ass midfield.
He did last year for Villa last year in formation. And he still does it now when Villa are deeper and Grealish has to move the ball on from deeper areas - he goes on some really nice runs & in my opinion it's pretty much his main ability.
I don't even think Pogba will go to be honest - I don't think many clubs will want him, nor can afford his wages & it all could just fumble whilst he contemplates giving working with a new manager like Pochettino a go, that's if he ever really wanted to leave in the first place. Could be wrong though, never know.
Grealish is CAM. That’s his best position. He played CM because last season and early this season they played 433 formation but playing CAM in different formation. He played on the wing because Aston Villa has nobody quality in wide area. Ask any Villa fans they will say he’s CAM.
Okay long term I think he's a centre midfielder instead. I love the way he relieves pressure by his dribbling past 3 players in Central areas & that's hella useful in centre of midfield.
*And that post was to him saying that Grealish wouldn't come because of Fernandes - do you think that's true? That Grealish won't come because he is a CAM only long term?
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Long term he’s a CAM. He’s an attacking mind player. Every Villa fans think that’s his best role & where he should focus on to reach his best potential. You can ask them, if you still have doubt. If we sign this guy then he’s very likely will play out of his favourite position which is wide area just like what happened to Mata.
Who's that?
to be fair we have no idea what they asked for to begin with
I've hearad about 10 different amounts
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I know Grealish is a LAM but long term at a club like ours Grealish isn't going to be our playmaker. Grealish is hardly creative man, Griealish's main ability is to get past players with ease & he is only being pushed up at Aston Villa because they need creativity any way they can get it & to be fair we need it to hence we chuck pereira up there at moment. Grealish the better he gets, the deeper he plays in my opinion - I don't see anything long term that tells me that this is the guys that should me setting up chances for Rashford & Greenwood or whoever is upfront - he isn't creative, he makes thinks move with his technique and his dribbling much more in the centre of the park like I saw last in in the championship when he played a bit more in midfield. Anyway il talk about it with you on the Grealish thread.
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Like I said before he’s a CAM. Ask Villa fans, they will say CAM is his best position.
That's now though, the guy is young and can learn. Many CAM play CM later on?
Some people (who are buzzing currently) in this thread will be very disappointed when they actually see him play.
Sporting faking an interest from Barca and us falling for it is still funny.
Sporting faking an interest from Barca and us falling for it is still funny.
This guy is the epitome of Dumb & Dumber.
How would anyway one not involved in the negotiations know whether its the original price or we had negotiated a whopping discounted? Making conclusions based on fake, unconfirmed information and then prognosticating as though it was factual.
This typifies what wrong with the world and social media nowadays. Social media has given every idiot or bullshit artist a platform to voice an opinion. But the mistake people make is that they cant differential between opinions and facts. And Ryan, in this case, is clearly confused.
Will he be an upgrade on Peirera and Lingard? Yes 100%. Jonjo Shelvey would be a massive upgrade compared to them. So yes Bruno will upgrade the team which makes people happy not having to watch the other 2. I don't think people are expecting him to be Messi.
Fred's new best friend
Lotta nerve calling people dumb if he thinks the supposed Barca interest had anything to do with anything.
Flying into Ringway now...
Some people need to realise that the rebuilding is MASSIVE. We can't do it with players 80m a pop. Bruno is a bigger risk then let's say Maddison is. However he'll cost us half the price and he's incredibly talented. My only worries is that he's a no 10. We haven't had a successful no 10 since Fergie time.
What gets me hard about that video is not that he's doing it against shit opposition. It is the speed in which he does it which is why I think we're taking the plunge but have been slightly withdrawn from doing so.
He doesn't dwell on the ball, take unecessary touches. His decision making his far quick than even his team mates can keep up with. He probably wont get the same numbers in the PL but he'll do alright.
... says someone who obviously only watched the preview picture and not the video itself. I don't think there was one corner or one set piece displayed in the entire video.
You said he's hardly CAM. But he is CAM. If Grealish is a truly CM, that means he can play even in midfield 2 not just in midfield 3. So far there is no indication that he is more of a CM than CAM.
And falling for conspiracy theories is even funnier.
People were protesting and throwing flares outside Ed’s house last night according to Sky.
He'll be the best we have from a deadball... says someone who obviously only watched the preview picture and not the video itself. I don't think there was one corner or one set piece displayed in the entire video.
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