It's always amazing to remember this party was founded as basically the irish nazi party and millions of people in Ireland are like fine with it. Even the US republicans started off as somewhat the good guys.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
So gang violence and murders only started since Fine Gael came into power?
Well that's a bit of an oversimplification really. Though the rallies, uniforms and straight-arm saluting certainly didn't age well as a vibe.
No, it was there long before they came to power. You could argue they're a bigger issue and more brazen now, which has happened in the last 10 year under their watch.
Either way, the week where these stories are dominating the headlines is hardly the best time to be putting out slick PR videos claiming to be the party of law & order.
Oh, did you see the other reports about the Garda ERU being forced to use outdated & out of warranty equipment due to a lack of funding
Also guy set on fire in Cork.
Shooting in Clare.
Double-shooting near Dublin airport.
I think statistically the worst years for gangland killings were around 2006-2010, which was largely down to the reign of one extremely trigger-happy Finglas gangster coinciding with the south-side gang war. What’s new today is the brutality/violence, the social media effect, and the youth of many of those involved.No, it was there long before they came to power. You could argue they're a bigger issue and more brazen now, which has happened in the last 10 year under their watch.
Either way, the week where these stories are dominating the headlines is hardly the best time to be putting out slick PR videos claiming to be the party of law & order.
Oh, did you see the other reports about the Garda ERU being forced to use outdated & out of warranty equipment due to a lack of funding
To be fair the existing legislation covering organised crime is considerable. A few of note:
• Crime Assets Bureau Act 1996;
• Proceeds of Crime Act(s) 1996 & 2005;
• Criminal Justice (Terrorist Offences) Act 2005;
• Criminal Justice Act 2006;
• Criminal Justice (Amendment) Act 2009;
• Criminal Justice Act 2007.
The list doesn't include other legislative measures like the 1985 Offences Against the State Act, which permits the freezing of bank accounts.
No, it was there long before they came to power. You could argue they're a bigger issue and more brazen now, which has happened in the last 10 year under their watch.
Either way, the week where these stories are dominating the headlines is hardly the best time to be putting out slick PR videos claiming to be the party of law & order.
Oh, did you see the other reports about the Garda ERU being forced to use outdated & out of warranty equipment due to a lack of funding
Yeah I know I just get weary of how when elections come round all politicians suddenly have all the answers and say they will stop crime bring jobs etc when nothing changes no matter who gets in
Legislation is one thing, having a properly resourced police force is another.
Hopefully people won’t be stupid enough to vote the same Tory scum in again here though!!
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Thats those 2 put firmly in their places. Superb.
And why is she any better than either of them exactly? All three parties are a sham. Anyone voting for SF are doing so because there’s nothing else but they’re literally no different to what we have now.
Indeed.
Though Ireland's left currently faces a particular problem in that its main left wing party is anathema to many voters and parties for reasons largely unrelated to its left-wing policies. Which creates a rather odd dynamic as they occupy a large chunk of the left's ideological space seemingly without being able to either join government as a junior coalition partner or attract enough transfers from other parties to lead a government. Which leads to increased stasis in a naturally static political landscape.
It will be interesting to see how that dynamic plays itself out in the face of the upcoming demographic shifts you highlighted. Even more so when you consider the specter of a potential United Ireland over the coming years too.
Idd, I find Sinn Fein being the primary party of the left just fecking grim really. I don't buy their sales pitch, I think their policies are made safe in the knowledge they'll never have to deliver on them and I'm skeptical that they have any real socialist, working class political affiliation. I think they'd drop most of their policies as soon as convenient.
They are all parties, and what do they do if they win? solve the problems? no.. they have a feckin party.
Tonight's debate was a car crash.
Does Ireland also have the skewed housing market of UK?
Its fairly similar, yeah
Easy to do when you spend your entire career in opposition with no intention of governing.
Shes not wrong though?
The possible legal ramifications for the manner in which Fine Gael expelled John Perry's son, Jude, are serious. According to Jude, his mother was also expelled.
Based on what I have read, there was a total absence of due process and fair procedures. And possibly defamation too.
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Based on what I have read, there was a total absence of due process and fair procedures. And possibly defamation too.
No, in fairness, she’s not.
Everyone knows it already, we're painfully aware of it. Doesn't make me want to vote for Sinn Fein though.
I'll be voting Sinn Fein. I'm under no illusion, they're not some miracle workers waiting in the wings but I'll feel better about myself than just going "Ah sure" and picking one of Kang and Kodos.
Have any of the smaller parties got a stated position on working in a coalition with Sinn Fein?
I won't be voting for any of Fine Gael, Fianna Fail or Sinn Fein, for reasons that should be obvious given they are Fine Gael, Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein.
Same
I kind of hope FF and FG have to go into coalition with each other with a small majority. So i'll be avoiding giving the greens or labour a high preference too. Dont want them propping up FF with FG as the 'opposition'. So that leaves People Before Profit and ... independents (only some of them since half are former FF / FG TDs).
Of course she is. That hospital is a disgrace and people should been thoroughly investigated for it.
Its either breath taking incompetence or corruption
Yeah, maybe have a look over that again there.
I'm curious. Why do you think that will be a good thing?
Presumably in the hope that the main opposition party becomes someone who isn't FF or FG? As opposed to them continuing to alternate as government/opposition, as they have for the last century or so. If you want to see the FF/FG stranglehold broken then it's probably most likely to come about by them being forced into coalitions or c&s agreements with each other.
It's actually one of the tactical issues facing the two centre-right parties going forward. If you keep refusing to go into coalition with SF even to the point of preferring to work with each other then you help to position them as a distinct alternative option to the big two, which will likely prove to be an increasingly attractive option as demographics shift. On the other hand, if you're less firm in your denunciations you risk legitimizing them as a "normal" party, as well as leaving yourself exposed to attacks from the other centre-right party.
I don't, i just cant imagine a scenario where one of them isn't the main party. @sullydnl covered why i see it as the least bad option.
If the various, disparate parts of the left are all in opposition it might encourage them to work together more is another, probably unrealistic, hope.
Imagine a left coalition without the 2 establishment parties....
God I really hope SF don't get into power.
Sinn Fein joint top of latest poll. God you love to see it.
Just because your bum smells different from the others doesn’t mean it isn’t full of shit too
I’ll be voting People before Profit, actual normal people trying to make a change for the man on the street rather than big political parties who have their own agendas
Seen worse