Nope. Pogba is a virus and everything Raiola says is Pogba plan. One minute Raiola is mouthing off = Pogba plan.
Raiola backtracks = Pogba plan. Pogba is a mastermind
Is Pogba as good as gone?
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Raiola backtracks = Pogba plan. Pogba is a mastermind
What a fool this guy has been signing up with that fat piece of shit of an agent. He's wasted a top career by being advised by a numpty who is only concerned about £££££'s.
Here we go.
After all hell broke loose on them. Did you see the backlash they got these last few days ?
You have no idea about what happened and yet you seem inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to a player and his agent that disrespected the club times and times again for a year. Should we be all happy because after a year of chatting shit and disrespecting the club, he decided to calm down ?
Did Mendes and De Gea do this ? and this is (De Gea) a player that gave us most of his career and that was POTY multiple times for us, as opposed to what Pogba offered us.
What's wrong with Pogba's fans spitting on the club in favor of a player . Shouldn't the club come first for you ?
What did he do for the club to warrant such loyalty ? i honestly do not understand.
I really like Bruno. Wanted him to sign in the summer. However saying he’s like much better than Pogba is a bit disingenuous. He’s a title winner with Juve and a World Cup winner. His brothers said he’s desperate to leave because he wants to win titles and cl’s. It’s a damning indictment of our situation because he believes despite our massive outlay and improving squad quality, we have no chance. Might be worth thinking about why he’s obviously so convinced.
Has literally no bearing on anything.
I don't think they care very much. Would you stop being mates with one of your coworkers if they left for a different company? Players don't get as emotional about transfers as fans do. Neymar is still friends with all the guys from Barcelona
It's also a damning indictment on Pogba himself.
We probably didn't have a replacement lined up and we'd get rinsed by any potential selling club if we had already let Pogba go. I know everyone probably know's he's off this summer thanks to Raiola so it's a good job we've secured Fernandes before he started pushing the price down.
How easy is it for a player to sack his agent anyhow?
He's been "injured" since the end of September. Players have broken their ankles after him and returned before him. This is entirely on Pogba at this stage.
Nah. Pogba just wants out and is happy for Raiola to mouth off and trash the club if that is what it takes or backtrack if thats what it takes.
Raiola now feels this is more likely to help him get the move.
Raiola probably felt the noise was a bit too much and might start to put off potential suitors that is all.
When the stuff came out last night about Madrid being unwilling to go above £50m for Pogba it all made sense.
I don't think United will sell Pogba for £50m. If Raiola can't at least get a buyer to stump up more than we paid for him I can see the board forcing Pogba to stay, which will be tough on him if the United fanbase has turned on Paul thanks to Mino.
So you are saying Bruno is a batter person (in your eyes) than Pogba.
Sounds like a personal issue to be honest. Wonder if you will admit this though?
Pogba is a morale-goblin of the squad and needs to be ousted! His agent, lucifer, who sits by his side and talks trash about us as a club, about our manager and a team as a whole need to go and never to return. Cut all ties with any player he represents. We all respect SAF and he sent this boy away, he knew exactly why, part of the reason what made him so great is his superior intuition to most, or all other managers. You can sense some things about the attitude and never tolerated less than dedicated players. What Pogba is goes beyond disciplinary issues, he is a rotten apple and is spoiling the bunch.
And don't give me that "Over 100 mil. for Pogba!", we'll be lucky to recoup 40% of what we paid to bring him back, his agent will get a huge chunk of it as well. Whatever the loss is time to cut it is this coming summer.
Sir Alex never had as negative influence in the squad, he never let it come to that, then again he never paid this ridicoulus fee just to make himself seem important like Mourinho did when he bought him.
And don't give me that "Over 100 mil. for Pogba!", we'll be lucky to recoup 40% of what we paid to bring him back, his agent will get a huge chunk of it as well. Whatever the loss is time to cut it is this coming summer.
Sir Alex never had as negative influence in the squad, he never let it come to that, then again he never paid this ridicoulus fee just to make himself seem important like Mourinho did when he bought him.
I would absolutely love for Paul to stay, sign a new contract and be the catalyst to us challenging for the league next season. The gap is huge, but we're not as bad as the table suggests - we've been very unlucky with injury and very incompetent with squad depth.
However, I think it's unlikely he'll stay. He can move onto clubs where he will definitely win stuff and definitely get paid just as well. I think we need to sell him and re-invest the cash, get in two great central midfielders. They might not be as good as Paul could be, but they'll add more to the team overall i think.
I just hope he gets better soon, so we can enjoy a Pogba-Fred-Fernandes midfield for a few months.
However, I think it's unlikely he'll stay. He can move onto clubs where he will definitely win stuff and definitely get paid just as well. I think we need to sell him and re-invest the cash, get in two great central midfielders. They might not be as good as Paul could be, but they'll add more to the team overall i think.
I just hope he gets better soon, so we can enjoy a Pogba-Fred-Fernandes midfield for a few months.
I know it's a joke but some people actually believe this
I wouldn't be surprised if Pogba is getting a bit pissed with his agent after the most recent comments. If anything he seems to have a good relation with Ole and i don't think he want's to be seen as this problem player who's agent will bad mouth clubs and managers. We'll see what happens in the summer.
EDIT: raiola did say one interesting thing. "Ole should remember what he said to Paul in the summer" or something to that effect. I suspect it might have been a promise of Champions League football. If we make the CL there could be a decent chance he actually signs a new contract, much to the annoyance of his agent i would suspect.
That would be a worst case scenario.... Pogba staying due to noone willing to pay even a half reasonable sum. I just cant see him playing at United next year. He would be on strike.
50m is ridiculously low. The club are in a really tricky position because other clubs know we need to offload due to the fuss Raiola/Pogba have made
Yes and the likes of Madrid and Juve know this. That's why none of the stuff you hear coming out of Spain and Italy suggests they intend to spend big.
Last summer Madrid apparently offered £30m+James Rodriguez, Fabrizio Romano says Juve are looking at a straight swap of Rabiot and Ramsey for Pogba. Nobody is looking at bringing £100m+ to the table because they know that Pogba has been pouring gasoline on his bridges at United and throwing molotov cocktails on them.
Well it’s not very smart is it as he will just stay. Look at Neymar. These tactics don’t work.
Another possibility is that Solskjaer and United made a deal with the player like the one Fergie reportedly made with Ronaldo - one more season, keep your head down, don't kick up a stink and we'll let you go in the summer.
Absolutely but that would make raiolas antics in January and February seem out of place then. Unless he can't a find a club to pay anywhere near what was agreed upon to make the transfer happen. We'll see the truth in the summer i think, especially if we make the CL.
I think that's the most likely situation
I have generally assumed that Raiola's antics are primarily about ensuring that Pogba's position at United is untenable, which then makes a lower transfer fee more palatable for United (Raiola is probably struggling to achieve the kind of fee we'd indicated we'd be willing to accept). As you said, we shall see in the summer.
If no big offers come in in the summer, i'd sign 2 CM's anyway (we need to ship of Matic) and sit down with Paul Pogba to tell him;
- Clearly the market doesn't rate you as much as you or your agent do.
- You can sign a new contract if you want, or you can leave on a free next year; your choice.
- You've spent the most of last season injured. This season you can give it your best and consider it a chance to advertise yourself, or you can warm the bench. If you give it your all, we might actually win something and you'd leave a decent legacy at this club, rather than being considered an expensive show pony flop.
I'd rather lose £40-50 million than let Pogba go on the cheap and give his greasy cnut agent another payday.
Pogba needs to be sold but we can’t let him go on the cheap. He has two years left on his contract so now is not the time to panic sell.
Either we get 120m or 60-80m plus a player or he gets to play for us one more year and we sell him for 60-80m with one year left on his contract. He already sat out this entire year; no way is he going to go two years in a row with no club football. Raiola needs to put in some work if he wants to get Pogba out of Manchester (his problem not ours).
Either we get 120m or 60-80m plus a player or he gets to play for us one more year and we sell him for 60-80m with one year left on his contract. He already sat out this entire year; no way is he going to go two years in a row with no club football. Raiola needs to put in some work if he wants to get Pogba out of Manchester (his problem not ours).
Pogba leaving on a free would mean a huge payday for Raiola though
I can think of other words I'd use, but would probably get censored.
Time to stop fannying around with him and the Slimeball.
Cut him from the squad, make him train with the juniors / reserves ( like JM did with Schweinsteiger ) and when he refuses, which he will, because he won the World Cup don't you know, stop his pay.
First time he sh*t on us should have been lesson learned - leopards don't change their spots. Why we brought him back, f*ck knows.....
Enough's enough !
THIS is all some posters need to read to understand that everyone (including Ole and the board) are complicit in this. It's so blatant that Pogba has essentially gone on strike, and the club are protecting that summer income by allowing him to see out the season on gardening leave.
Raoila's comments are obviously to try and get us to lower our demands for him because at present, we're probably asking too much for interested parties and Raiola/Pogba are desperate to be out of here in the summer.
The entire thing is so transparent, I'm in disbelief when you read posts saying "once we get Pogba back" and similar! It's utter delusion and fantasy. The man is wrapped in cotton wool so he can get his summer move, it's as simple as that and has been that simple for months!
Probably easy when it's a normal agent, I can't imagine Raiola letting his biggest client go without a fight.
the wasted part was joining man utd. outside of us he has won or competed for nearly every major trophy available. Leaving united was a blessing and returning was a mistake.
Because people beat him up constantly for things they have no proof of him doing either.
If Pogba and his agent had a brain between them then he’d be fighting to get back in to the team. A series of world class performances between now and the end of the season would have clubs falling over themselves to sign him.
Madrid can feck off with their £50 million valuation. That’s an insult in this day and age.
Didn’t Bournemouth value King at £50 million recently?
Anything less than £130 million and don’t sell.
All you fans saying “just get rid of him” and “take a financial hit” are being played Perfectly Raiola.
Hopefully the club will not be so naive when it comes to Pogba’s valuation.
Madrid can feck off with their £50 million valuation. That’s an insult in this day and age.
Didn’t Bournemouth value King at £50 million recently?
Anything less than £130 million and don’t sell.
All you fans saying “just get rid of him” and “take a financial hit” are being played Perfectly Raiola.
Hopefully the club will not be so naive when it comes to Pogba’s valuation.
£130 million for Pogba? Zero chance anyone comes in with that much. If we get our money back, sell immediately.
We should be getting more than £130m.
I'm still not entirely sure he wants to go, but thanks to his agent being the biggest prick in the game he's probably going. Why do we need him with Bruno? The money we'd get for him would go a long way towards getting an actual right winger.
I think he wants to win things here ideally, but doesn't feel that its likely to happen and careers don't last forever, if he wants to fill his trophy cabinet he needs to go somewhere else. You can't blame him for not having the trust in Ed to invest as we're rumoured to be planning to do this summer either after the past few years of failure. I think if we announced some big signings right at the start of the window (maybe a new manager too?) he might want to stay, but then after all the messing about, do we want him to?
I think he wants to win things here ideally, but doesn't feel that its likely to happen and careers don't last forever, if he wants to fill his trophy cabinet he needs to go somewhere else. You can't blame him for not having the trust in Ed to invest as we're rumoured to be planning to do this summer either after the past few years of failure. I think if we announced some big signings right at the start of the window (maybe a new manager too?) he might want to stay, but then after all the messing about, do we want him to?
Haha, I can only assume this is a windup!
Then we don’t sell him. £130 million should be the bare minimum.
Based on what? You think he has appreciated in value since he joined us, for some reason? Is that entirely because of the Neymar transfer?
Pogba has been shopped to other clubs for last couple of seasons by his agent.No-one has bit. He hasn't exactly been great for us on a consistent basis for a variety of reasons. He's barely played this season. The attitude of his agent stinks. I'm not so sure other clubs want him as much as he and his agent think, certainly not in the price range you are quoting.I think at this stage, if we get back what we paid or slightly more, we'd be doing very well. There's not a ton of clubs who can afford him and Real made it pretty clear last season they had other legitimate targets ahead of any pursuit of Pogba, and maybe this summer they may prioritise a big money striker move over him again. After Real there is only really PSG if they sell Neymar and/or Mbappe or Juve.