Is Pogba as good as gone?

[izzydiggler]

They know what they're doing...pretty much at the point where the majority of the fans want him gone, the club are probably there too and now they're trying to drop the price for his new club.

Will result in Raiola getting a lot of money and Pogba getting the move he wants.

Anyone defending Pogba needs at this point needs their head examining.

 

[crossy1686]

If we're planning on selling him at a lowish offer (£50m according to Madrid) then Pogba better get used to playing for someone like Aston Villa, because I'm pretty sure they've got £50m to spare and I'd much rather sell to them than Madrid at that price.

 

[SteveJ]

Pogba is a morale-goblin of the squad and needs to be ousted! His agent, lucifer, who sits by his side

Thank goodness that fans aren't being dramatic about this situation.

 

[MadMike]

If we're planning on selling him at a lowish offer (£50m according to Madrid) then Pogba better get used to playing for someone like Aston Villa, because I'm pretty sure they've got £50m to spare and I'd much rather sell to them than Madrid at that price.

Yeah because Villa can afford his salary and the player and his agent have no say over where he goes, only the club does. <facepalm emoji>

 

[crossy1686]

Yeah because Villa can afford his salary and the player and his agent have no say over where he goes, only the club does. <facepalm emoji>

He wants to leave that badly he can either sit out next season as well and leave on a free the following summer, bearing in mind we can also trigger an additional year on his contract, or him and his agent find a way to get a move to one of the clubs we decide to accept a bid from. Up to them two to work it out isn't it?

 

[KristianMackle]

Based on what? You think he has appreciated in value since he joined us, for some reason? Is that entirely because of the Neymar transfer?

Yes he's a world cup winner and his endorsement deals also gone up. We are entitled to raise his price significantly

 

[Nou_Camp99]

the wasted part was joining man utd. outside of us he has won or competed for nearly every major trophy available. Leaving united was a blessing and returning was a mistake.

He could have knuckled down and gave his best for the club to try and get us back towards the top. Rashford gives his all every single week.

People make too many excuses for the prat. He's a fraud. Got talent but lacks a lot of other things. He'll never be on KDB's level even if he leaves us and joins Juve again or Madrid. He prats around with the ball too much wherever he is. Loses the ball in bad areas and then doesn't track the runner. He'll never change.

 

[MadMike]

He wants to leave that badly he can either sit out next season as well and leave on a free the following summer, bearing in mind we can also trigger an additional year on his contract, or him and his agent find a way to get a move to one of the clubs we decide to accept a bid from. Up to them two to work it out isn't it?

Yep. I’m sure the management will be glad to be paying him 300k pw while his value is rapidly depreciating, on top of having him and his agent moping around creating drama, just to send the message that he should really go to Villa instead of Atletico because crossy from Redcafe said so.

How far removed from reality are you? It’s rhetorical question.

 

[Steerpike]

Then we don’t sell him. £130 million should be the bare minimum.

So we keep an unhappy player, continue to pay his wages, and continue to put up with the never ending circus. Pogba isn't worth £130 million, and no-one will pay £130 million. I'd rather we got something for him and saved on the wage bill than ended up getting nothing for him having paid his wages for another 12 months.

It may be true that this plays into Raiola's hands, and to be sure I don't wish that man anything but ill, but there is little point cutting off our nose to spite our face.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

If we sell him, please please let it be PSG. Let him go dominate that league. Perfect for him.

I still hope things change for him here, but every new 'episode' makes it harder and harder to want that.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

It is a shame United had such a good result on Monday with some excellent performances from some of the players and the talk is still all Pogba.

 

[The Urban Goose]

If we're planning on selling him at a lowish offer (£50m according to Madrid) then Pogba better get used to playing for someone like Aston Villa, because I'm pretty sure they've got £50m to spare and I'd much rather sell to them than Madrid at that price.

Grealish for Pogba plus cash would be hilarious just for the hit to his ego.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

Pogba leaving on a free would mean a huge payday for Raiola though

That would be 2 years away. Doubt he would want to wait that long. Maybe I am wrong.

 

[Tony247]

Guys, we don't have to sell him this year so we have upper hand. But he wants to leave then bring an offer 120m cash + add ons.

We can trigger his contract extension and then next year we should sell. So next year we can value him 90m.

Fair?

 

[Garethw]

Haha, I can only assume this is a windup!

Why? In a world where Declan fecking Rice is valued at £60 million, Pogba is a £200 million player. Will anyone pay that, definitely not. But £130 million is a good compromise.

Sell Pogba for £80 million and we barely get a Grealish level player in with the money.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Why? In a world where Declan fecking Rice is valued at £60 million, Pogba is a £200 million player. Will anyone pay that, definitely not. But £130 million is a good compromise.

Sell Pogba for £80 million and we barely get a Grealish level player in with the money.

Rather have Grealish personally. Perhaps has less talent but more than makes up for it with effort and heart. Doesn't go into hiding mode like the dabbing prat does.

 

[Tony247]

Pogba leaving on a free would mean a huge payday for Raiola though

I think player leaving free is the worst nightmare for agents like Raiola who live on transfer fee cut. He will boil the ocean for pogba to leave before his contract expires.

 

[Rolaholic]

Thank goodness that fans aren't being dramatic about this situation.

It seems all too personal for some people

 

[AneRu]

Why? In a world where Declan fecking Rice is valued at £60 million, Pogba is a £200 million player. Will anyone pay that, definitely not. But £130 million is a good compromise.

Sell Pogba for £80 million and we barely get a Grealish level player in with the money.

I think we can get this if PSG become involved, Chelsea got something around this amount when they sold a 29 year old who was in the last year of his contract.

 

[jderbyshire]

I think player leaving free is the worst nightmare for agents like Raiola who live on transfer fee cut. He will boil the ocean for pogba to leave before his contract expires.

He'd still get some sort of cut of the 'signing-on fee' I'd imagine.

 

[poleglass red]

Why? In a world where Declan fecking Rice is valued at £60 million, Pogba is a £200 million player. Will anyone pay that, definitely not. But £130 million is a good compromise.

Sell Pogba for £80 million and we barely get a Grealish level player in with the money.

Problem is demand. A player's value is only what the market is willing to pay not how much he's worth due to what other players go for. A guy like Rice, because he is a young english player, top clubs in PL will always go for him. Problem with Pogba is, there is only maybe 2 clubs he wants to realistically go to in Real or Juve. One you go north of 100 mill or thereabouts, demand drops considerably. PSG could probably go for him but would he want to go there. Real have shown they won't pay anywhere near what the club value him at, and Juve seemingly want to use players plus cash. Pogba right now his value is as low as it's been in a long time. He is coming of a season where he's been injured, he had issue with previous manager, his agent is having issues with the current manager. Clubs interested in him will use these facts as a bargaining chip in negotiations. Of course his value should easily match the likes of Coutinho in terms of marketability and talent but difference is Barca were willing to pay that, until now no-one has been for Pogba.

 

[MikeKing]

It seems all too personal for some people

I admit to having the feeling of betrayal.

I don't even care that much about Pogba, but this is like the popular kid in school that had his haters and his followers, and he never picked on me so I thought he was cool, until he wanted to move to another place, started turning on everyone claiming they weren't cool and I didn't care about it but then when I had my final exam he disturbed the classroom and made it all about himself. Nobody could get any work done and failed their tests. He moved to another town and lives a happy life still feeling cool as ever, I never graduated and is now waiting on my social security check. feck Pogba!

Not a true story, relax.

 

[crossy1686]

Yep. I’m sure the management will be glad to be paying him 300k pw while his value is rapidly depreciating, on top of having him and his agent moping around creating drama, just to send the message that he should really go to Villa instead of Atletico because crossy from Redcafe said so.

How far removed from reality are you? It’s rhetorical question.

I'm obviously being facetious I'm not sure why you're taking everything so literally and serious? Unless, is that you Raiola?

Anyway, Pogba knows he'll have to take a pay cut if he goes elsewhere, and if he wants out as badly as his agent claims he does then let's see how low he's willing to go.

 

[bondsname]

Never really cared about Pogba's situation. My reasoning has always been that if he wants to stay, let him stay. If he wants to leave, let him leave. End of story. Who actually has the energy to give a crap about this? It has been given way too much attention.

 

[SteveJ]

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It's like when your ex-girlfriend tries to move to Juventus for a reduced fee!

 

[MikeKing]

It's like when your ex-girlfriend tries to move to Juventus for a reduced fee!

Absolutely

 

[Infra-red]

It is a shame United had such a good result on Monday with some excellent performances from some of the players and the talk is still all Pogba.

Raiola has done his work well. Maybe we should all stop falling for it and just ignore the fat slug.

 

[gerdm07]

I'm hoping he comes back in a few weeks, plays well with Bruno, helps us to 4th or 5th, and wants to stay because he sees we are headed in the right direction. I believe this is possible and would be the best outcome.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Look at the cr*p that was floating around the 2018 derby game at the Eithad.
Pep took the majority of the criticism,and some of it was fair, but no one can say with a straight face that Raiola wasn't shopping Paul Pogba to our nearest rivals.
If Pogba didn't like it,then was the perfect time for him and Raiola to move on but they didn't.
Both of them are little schemers.

 

[Lastwolf]

So we keep an unhappy player, continue to pay his wages, and continue to put up with the never ending circus. Pogba isn't worth £130 million, and no-one will pay £130 million. I'd rather we got something for him and saved on the wage bill than ended up getting nothing for him having paid his wages for another 12 months.

It may be true that this plays into Raiola's hands, and to be sure I don't wish that man anything but ill, but there is little point cutting off our nose to spite our face.

For £50million we might as well keep him an put up with the drama for the next two years, we couldn't replace him for double that money.

 

[redshaw]

I'm hoping he comes back in a few weeks, plays well with Bruno, helps us to 4th or 5th, and wants to stay because he sees we are headed in the right direction. I believe this is possible and would be the best outcome.

Anything is possible but I think Pogba sees he has to go and try his luck elsewhere. Problem for him his clubs aren't trying to break the doors down to sign him like they were for C Ronaldo, Bale or Coutinho. Perez at Madrid doesn't fancy him much and has been a long admirer of Hazard hence they paid 100m with a year left and wanted a big signing. Barca really felt Coutinho was for them.

These clubs will think they have the upper hand, a player who wants out at a certain age, United failing, with not many potential suitors and they're seeing it as a gamble and less of a player, a player you'd like to take on but not go all out for.

~90m is pretty fair, 130-150m I don't see it happening, he's not that fancied and 50-60m I don't see United accepting and becomes a real problem for Pogba

 

[RedDevilUnited369]

£50m price tag is fake news...

People are so easily manipulated by media.

 

[FrankDrebin]

I'd hope we'll sell him for more than £50 too.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Another possibility is that Solskjaer and United made a deal with the player like the one Fergie reportedly made with Ronaldo - one more season, keep your head down, don't kick up a stink and we'll let you go in the summer.

If that's the case, he's clearly reneged on that.

 

[gerdm07]

Anything is possible but I think Pogba sees he has to go and try his luck elsewhere. Problem for him his clubs aren't trying to break the doors down to sign him like they were for C Ronaldo, Bale or Coutinho. Perez at Madrid doesn't fancy him much and has been a long admirer of Hazard hence they paid 100m with a year left and wanted a big signing. Barca really felt Coutinho was for them.

These clubs will think they have the upper hand, a player who wants out at a certain age, United failing, with not many potential suitors and they're seeing it as a gamble and less of a player, a player you'd like to take on but not go all out for.

~90m is pretty fair, 130-150m I don't see it happening, he's not that fancied and 50-60m I don't see United accepting and becomes a real problem for Pogba

Maybe. If he comes back and plays well, remember he was easily the best player on the pitch in those two matches in December, for a few weeks his price goes to 100m easily.

 

[redshaw]

Problem for Raiola and Pogba is Ole could tell the club to sell now and book his flight tickets after having agreed to let him go a year later, the club will still need a suitable bid to come in. Raiola needs to work on getting clubs to bring in bids starting at around 90m imo. He can rant and rave til he has an heart attack, it's not down to what Ole said ultimately.

For all concerned I'd hope a club can come in with 90+m and United as a club aren''t hoping for 140-150m or bust. 50-60m isn't going to cut it. No problem if United try for 100, 110, 120 whatever.

 

[Stacks]

He could have knuckled down and gave his best for the club to try and get us back towards the top. Rashford gives his all every single week.

People make too many excuses for the prat. He's a fraud. Got talent but lacks a lot of other things. He'll never be on KDB's level even if he leaves us and joins Juve again or Madrid. He prats around with the ball too much wherever he is. Loses the ball in bad areas and then doesn't track the runner. He'll never change.

He is not capable of getting United to the top in the same way Ozil was not capable of getting Arsenal to the top but was outstanding in World Cup 2014 when playing with class players for Germany, as Pogba was playing with class players for France. Its a misunderstanding of his capabilities or the type of player he is

 

[BusbyMalone]

We should be looking for somewhere around £90m - £100m for him at least. £130M + is obviously too much as i can't see him for that. But this notion that we should just let him go and take a hit is ridiculous. He's our biggest asset and we need to capitalise on that. Granted we haven't got all the power here as he's clearly desperate to leave and buying clubs will know this, but i still stand by that valuation.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Granted we haven't got all the power here as he's clearly desperate to leave and buying clubs will know this, but i still stand by that valuation.

Disagree. United can extend his contract and therefore have much more leverage. Pogba's desire to go somewhere else is only a minor factor. We don't have to play him and he's a sunk cost, so we don't really lose anything by keeping him. Any impacts of retaining him are limited to opportunity cost but that doesn't really impact the balance sheet.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

He is not capable of getting United to the top in the same way Ozil was not capable of getting Arsenal to the top but was outstanding in World Cup 2014 when playing with class players for Germany, as Pogba was playing with class players for France. Its a misunderstanding of his capabilities or the type of player he is

He wasn't outstanding in the World Cup at all. He had a few goodish games and a few okay ones. He wasn't France's main man whatsoever. Griezmann and Mbappe had far bigger impacts on the tournament. Pogba wasn't bad by any means but his contribution to the team was grossly exaggerated.

He's got talent but he lacks a lot of other things that make talented players truly great. He wasn't even the main man in that Juve midfield.