Fabianski will probably keep a clean sheet in the next 3 games
Premier League Gameweek 27
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
We laughed at Moyes for the Fulham game. Turns out he was actually way ahead of his time!
I'm obviously being facetious here, in case you couldn't tell
Bingo!
Thanks. Trust me it's not that hard if you don't think from your a**
Look at most of the goals and the amount of crossing they make. Most of the goals they score have come from wonderful crosses.
Two goals conceded?
Lost away in the CL?
The rot is definitely starting for this side. They'll be relegation troubled next season....
cnuts
Lost away in the CL?
The rot is definitely starting for this side. They'll be relegation troubled next season....
cnuts
It's a view shared by a great many outside Mersyside.
That's amazing
This Liverpool side just isn't all that great despite the unbeaten run. I know that's difficult to accept for a delusional scouser but it is what it is.
I'm sorry, I just can't bring myself to respect Liverpool's run.
Just look at the number of games they played like utter shite and won by either a single goal, or by the opposition missing numerous chances, a dive, the keeper throwing the ball into their own net.
How many teams have they blown away and won by clear daylight? A lot of their results they have sneaked through by the skin of their teeth.
Of the 26 wins and one draw, half of them have been by a one goal margin.
Think Dean Henderson's blunder, Flappyhandski tonight, Mane's cheating dive against Leicester winning them a pen in the 90+4th minute... so many razor-thin one goal victories that could've gone either way on another day. It's fair to say the number of points they've accumulated greatly flatters them. They'll be lauded as the best team in PL history if they go undefeated, but I think Jose's Chelsea 04-05, Arsene's invincibles, our treble winning side and the class of 2008 are arguably better.
Just look at the number of games they played like utter shite and won by either a single goal, or by the opposition missing numerous chances, a dive, the keeper throwing the ball into their own net.
How many teams have they blown away and won by clear daylight? A lot of their results they have sneaked through by the skin of their teeth.
Of the 26 wins and one draw, half of them have been by a one goal margin.
Think Dean Henderson's blunder, Flappyhandski tonight, Mane's cheating dive against Leicester winning them a pen in the 90+4th minute... so many razor-thin one goal victories that could've gone either way on another day. It's fair to say the number of points they've accumulated greatly flatters them. They'll be lauded as the best team in PL history if they go undefeated, but I think Jose's Chelsea 04-05, Arsene's invincibles, our treble winning side and the class of 2008 are arguably better.
I'd fancy our 2008 side to beat these over a season. They were better to watch as well
When did West Ham buy Jarrod Bowen? 
it really does beggar belief and defies all logic this run they are on.
The luck they have had is incredible, surely it has to end soon?
The luck they have had is incredible, surely it has to end soon?
I just hope they've used up 30 years of luck this season and we won't have to endure this again for another 30 years
Well you would though, wouldn't you?
There's a difference between playing badly but winning, and always playing badly but winning.
They've been the best team in the league this year, and you can't really say otherwise, but they're some way off the level that the table suggests.
They've been the best team in the league this year, and you can't really say otherwise, but they're some way off the level that the table suggests.
That penalty VVD whined for because he got out jumped was probably the highlight for me. And Robertson getting kicked.
Last monthWhen did West Ham buy Jarrod Bowen?
The table lies over 38 games? Not what I've been told on Redcafe for the past 18 years. In fact, the opposite.
The poster you're quoting said you were the best team in the league.
There's always a but somewhere: "but they're some way off the level that the table suggests"
Do you believe the actual level of the team (who have undoubtedly been the best team in the league and deserve to win it) is genuinely to have dropped only 2 points so far all this season?
If so, does that make Liverpool the best league team in history in your view?
Best to let historians decide that. All our views here are partisan anyway. If you're asking for my totally biased view regardless, then the stats don't lie. Best PL team that is. Not best league team in the world ever. But we haven't got there quite yet. Wherever 'there' ends up being (112 points, 50+ games unbeaten, etc, etc).
Meh. I've never liked a Liverpool team before, but they play football in an entertaining and attacking way. Sure they've had some luck. But they're fun to watch.
I'm not in England?
What makes them especially hated, besides their success? They aren't kings of the backpass.
I can't, I meant. I enjoy beautiful football. Steven Gerard was easy to hate.
More than 6 at this point, and it's no longer a case of system making them look better than they are, the individual performances are what makes it work so well now
So when are the Liverpool fans being banned, season end or when they clinch the league against Palace?
Second time they concede more than once too. The only other time was against everton, and the second goal came when they were up 4-1
What liverpool do is rely on their combination of organized press, pace and fast-twitch reactions to suffocate teams, then tell their stars to just do the one thing they do best over and over and over again until it works. In the few times teams manage to beat their press and attack their defence, the focus is on slowing the attack down or force it into a lower quality of chance rather than outright stopping it
They're like a gambler constantly playing the odds aggressively while betting sums that ensure they only need one or two bets to pay off to win big
Oh right, who do you support?
I think most club’s fans around the PL will agree most of their fans are utter plebs and when they win the PL it’s going to be unbearable not just for United.
So you hate every team besides United because their fans are all plebs?
Maybe it's a cultural thing, we don't have the regional hatred that exists in Europe. If it makes you feel better, I don't even watch them on purpose, I've seen maybe 3 games worth of their play this season, but since I'm not a supporter is hard to keep my attention.
I support my local team first and I could rant about a few of our rivals, but I never hate on the talented attacking teams that visit.
It''s proximity galvanised by history. Liverpool hate Utd. Utd hate Liverpool and Leeds, Leeds hate Utd and Sheffield - check out the geography and you'll find there's barely 40 miles between any of them. Over in the US I'd bet there's a hell of a lot greater distance between teams.
I know Liverpool fans would not like to admit it but the quality of the league has gone down big time. Last 3 PL winners have been breaking the points record with ease. Conte's chelsea reached 93 points with ease, then City with their centurians and then both Pool and City with 97 and now Pool with most likely breaking City's 100 points. You have clubs like SPurs, Arsenal and United who are bang average and then you have Chelsea who are just at 4th because of how crap teams below them are. Do you think this chelsea side would be 4th in mid 2000s to late 00s era, I seriously doubt. That Wenger side from 2006-2009 would be sitting pretty in second position close to Liverpool this season.
Liverpool are doing an amazing job and they deserve the plaudits but no way are they the best ever team to grace the PL.
Liverpool are doing an amazing job and they deserve the plaudits but no way are they the best ever team to grace the PL.
True. It looks like almost all of the big guns across Europe are in transition now. But you can make an argument that premier league was weaker when United won the 20th title, attractive playing, but average Pool side came 2nd and Leicaster won the title. Those were the times when the english teams were regularly getting slapped in Europe, but there were a lot of arguments that its because the league is competitive and hard.
The quality of league overall has gone down in the last 6 or 7 years. I agree that the league wasn't great when we won the 20th, Leicester season was one of the worst and it was just a matter of time before a team could dominate the league which is what City have done and now Liverpool are about to do the same.
Come on mate, do you really think Liverpool fans will be posting on red cafe when they finally win the league in 30 years? They are not that sad!
They are that sad.
Last year English teams dominated in Europe so if the Premier League is poor what does that say about the rest of European football?
Over the two seasons 07/08 and 08/09 when United won the league twice, we failed to win 10 or more games in both of them - we scored 68 and 80 goals respectively, not... insane. There were no City and Spurs competing back then, but in the top ten you had Villa, Blackburn and Portsmouth... as well as Derby, Sunderland, Boro, Hull and Wigan at the bottom. Liverpool will perhaps end up at 3 or 4 games that are not won this year and around 90 goals, depending on their motivation and what happens in the CL. Any given team will only play another (potentially great) team twice, there are 36 other games to play as well and plenty of banana skins. What they are doing this year is potentially unbeatable, as much as it hurts to admit
But that doesn't mean the league is competitive per se. Liverpool individually are probably one of the best if not the best but doesn't mean team below Liverpool in the league are any good. You look at Chelsea, United, Arsenal and Spurs, 4 teams who are having a crap season but still in a shout to finish top 4. Leicester are having a decent season but then they have been fortunate teams below them are having a mare. The quality of league in whole hasn't been that good for some time now.