why was De Gea not dropped by Ole for woeful form that resulted in the club missing a UCL place - @passing-wind

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Compare that to the way Chelsea handled the transition between Courtois and Arrizabalga.
One was planned and the other was a panic buy. We can make the first, a planned transition, with Dean taking over De Gea.

Stick with De Gea and Dean playing at a top club would be a feck up as well. It works the other way around as well. Change at the right moment is a blessing, that is why some get paid thousand and millions at the club to plan ahead.
 

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Knee jerk - feck off
 

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The contract is kind of rewarding what he does for us over the years.

The thing is, back then we wouldn't know Henderson would become that good, and we can't risk De Gea leaving us for free, and finding a top class replacement would have cost us another 50-70m anyway. So instead of spending that much, its better we offer De Gea something worthy for return of his commitment to us over long terms.
 

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He got blueballed by Madrid when they signed Courtois leaving him with little option other than to sign for us. Realistically they were the only team he'd leave us for. And we obliged by making him the highest paid keeper in the world.
 

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Because we let it get to a point where we could lose him for nothing. His ridiculous wage is largely down to part of his transfer value at the time being factored in.
 

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Apart from a stupid mistake which is nothing to do with his actual ability as a shot stopper, which is what he's known for, he had good game today and us from a certain defeat at the end.
I mean how do you even begin to argue with this level of delusion?
 

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He was in decline before he signed it, not sure why we offered him so much money when there are plenty of better keepers out there.

Living on past glories, much like the club itself.
Sanchez levels of bad decision making
 

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I mean how do you even begin to argue with this level of delusion?
He has made a howler due to being lackadaisical, otherwise he made 3 fantastic saves today. So I'm not sure how you're going to argue that one.
 

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The contract is kind of rewarding what he does for us over the years.

The thing is, back then we wouldn't know Henderson would become that good, and we can't risk De Gea leaving us for free, and finding a top class replacement would have cost us another 50-70m anyway. So instead of spending that much, its better we offer De Gea something worthy for return of his commitment to us over long terms.
That was known, even back then. The talent and mentality was there, so not that surprising. He is on the unstoppable rise for years now. Of course you have to perform, but the ingredients were all in place and he has worked his way up in fairytale style. The only thing lacking is experience, which everyone lacks in the beginning. People always belittle him by saying that was only league two and that was only league one, he is only playing in the championship and is now only playing for Sheffield etc.. I can only shake my head. Bold decisions are there to be made and every transfer/decision is a risk to an extent.
 

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Knee jerk - feck off
He had an appalling World Cup then was very poor last season and has made the joint most errors leading to goals this season, how can this thread be considered knee jerk? I actually got the club extending his deal, he was so good for years and you could convince yourself that his struggles last year were down to the contract talk distracting him, but he's been poor again this season and now you look at it and we've got a goalkeeper who won't move off his line, who is poor with the ball at his feet compared to other keepers and who is very reliant on his reflexes and is approaching 30 and he's on absolutely astronomical wages.
 

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just like we gave rooney a new contract in 2013 we had to do the same with him if only for optics. We are stuck with him now though and unfortunately for him and us, he never improved on the facets of his game that he needed to like coming off his line and commanding his area but with age his reflexes will get worse. Many of us could see it coming from a mile off as that's exactly what happened with Casillas.
 

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I don't think he has been on the decline at all. He made a big mistake today, but he also made some very good saves.

Overall, his performances haven't been too bad. I think he isn't in the best form, but he will get back to it soon enough.
I'm not really one for criticizing our own players, but this has been said about DDG for more almost an year now. I've stated it multiple times here that there are fundamental flaws in his game which he hasn't improved upon in his 9 years here and his strengths mostly rely on his quickness on the line and his reflexes which will both decline as he ages.

The mistake he made today would be forgivable if he didn't do things that put his defense under pressure every game.
 

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That was known, even back then. The talent and mentality was there, so not that surprising. He is on the unstoppable rise for years now. Of course you have to perform, but the ingredients were all in place and he has worked his way up in fairytale style. The only thing lacking is experience, which everyone lacks in the beginning. People always belittle him by saying that was only league two and that was only league one, he is only playing in the championship and is now only playing for Sheffield etc.. I can only shake my head. Bold decisions are there to be made and every transfer/decision is a risk to an extent.
For keeper, unlike outfielder player, experience is really important. You don't see many clubs starting potential young keeper out of nowhere in the league, they all rely on experience. For club at our size, I think young keeper should have proven himself somewhere else at top level for at least a year, to be considered good enough to start for us. Examples is Courtois, before starting for Chelsea, he has established himself as top young keeper at Athletico for 3 years.
 

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Because most of our fans got brainwashed by the agenda driven scum in the media and were too busy blaming all of our problems on Pogba (who was our best player by a country mile last season) to see the real issues on the field.

What's worse is the most important people in this instance, our idiotic board of directors/recruitment team, were also gullible enough to get caught up in it.
 

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Because he's a top keeper? I wonder if Liverpool fans are saying the same after Alisson spilled a simple collect yesterday?
Allison definitely shouldbe cut after yesterday. VVD as well. :)
 

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People compare Alisson's situation to De Gea now :lol:

Yes, they should also fire Klopp because of that loss, Ole is better anyway
 

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Because most of people including my self thinks DDG was in bad form.
I think that's what couching staff also thought.
 

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What makes him a top goalkeeper? Shot stopping. What else?
Yeah, let's categorize shot stopping (90% of his job) as one thing, because that's how it works...

Messi is world class? He's good at attacking, what else? :wenger:
 

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Yeah, let's categorize shot stopping (90% of his job) as one thing, because that's how it works...

Messi is world class? He's good at attacking, what else? :wenger:
:lol: feck sake.
 

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One was planned and the other was a panic buy. We can make the first, a planned transition, with Dean taking over De Gea.

Stick with De Gea and Dean playing at a top club would be a feck up as well. It works the other way around as well. Change at the right moment is a blessing, that is why some get paid thousand and millions at the club to plan ahead.
Hindsight today saying Henderson is ready, I doubt ANY of us would stick his neck out and say we have someone ready in the club and he is not Romero. Had DDG left last summer, good bet is that we spend 40-50m in the market for a replacement, Pickford being 1 candidate.
 

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I think there is a bigger issue here. I think it's a coaching issue that started this. I feel DeGea should have the final say in how we defend at corners and free kicks and high crosses. He knows he is weak in coming out to the high balls and corners. So why not let him put players on the post and goal line so he is confident in coming out? If he misses those players are his back up. As big Pete said today it looks like the defence and the keeper are not on the same wavelength most of the time.
That's a coaching issue.
 

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Hindsight today saying Henderson is ready, I doubt ANY of us would stick his neck out and say we have someone ready in the club and he is not Romero. Had DDG left last summer, good bet is that we spend 40-50m in the market for a replacement, Pickford being 1 candidate.
Pretty sure i said that last summer, i was saying don't give De Gea a contract and give Dean the no 1 spot. I was convinced De Gea was on a decline and won't be the same. And i still believe so.

But that was back then and there was hope. It is one thing if you don't have a choice, and another thing if a better keeper is in the same league outperforming your current keeper (who is on the decline for 2 years and on monstrous wages) and he is for free. Some still don't see it it seems. Some even don't want to discuss it, but it has to be made. We have to improve and De Gea's position needs to be talked about, favourite player to some or not
 

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The guy's ability of comanding the box and come off his line are just awful.
 

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I personally think Henderson will eventually leave unless he’s promoted and we’ll see a very good goalkeeper who wont cost us anything leave. I’d sell Romero and have Henderson and De Gea compete for no.1. At least then Henderson would get all of the cup games, or, De Gea becomes second choice. De Gea has had a couple of seasons of poor form now. I would say thats a decline not form. Poor form doesnt last that long.
 

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You seem confused. In football the goalie’s job is to stop shots from scoring goals.
It's not 'just' stopping shots though is it?

Thats the point, there are other elements to goalkeeping, even more so in the modern game.
 

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You seem confused. In football the goalie’s job is to stop shots from scoring goals.
The goalkeeper's job has been about more than just shot-stopping for a long time, certainly before the fairly recent insistence that they're good with their feet. He doesn't command his 6 yard box and is very reluctant to come off his line. He's been about purely reflexes for a very long time.
 

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It's not 'just' stopping shots though is it?

Thats the point, there are other elements to goalkeeping, even more so in the modern game.
It is stopping shots. Everything else is irrelevant if the goalie can’t stop shots. When choosing between two goalies with equal shot stopping, you can consider things like playing from the back and such. Just as a striker who can defend is nice, provided they score a lot of goals.
 

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His top quality is shot stopping and I don't think that aspect has really deviated. It was more apparent with LVG and (I think) Mourinho's first season because our defensive line was allowing shots left and right, which he had many saves. Where he's been consistently underwhelming is his command of the box and his distribution. Compare the latter to Alisson and it's a glaring difference. Improve the other areas and shot stopping will not be as crucial though still important.
 

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I would like to see that "plenty of better keepers out there" list from @esmufc07 .
There aren't that many, that's exactly the problem.

Yeah, he had a massive brain fart that cost us a goal, but every goalkeeper has one every now and again.

Upgrading from him would mean paying a ton of money for only marginal improvement. The money would be better spent other places in the squad were we are truly bad.
 

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There aren't that many, that's exactly the problem.

Yeah, he had a massive brain fart that cost us a goal, but every goalkeeper has one every now and again.

Upgrading from him would mean paying a ton of money for only marginal improvement. The money would be better spent other places in the squad were we are truly bad.
This. I don't see us getting a keeper that's a lot better than De Gea. I assume his contract was because he's an asset who we can't afford to lose in our current situation.

The real question is why are we so scared to drop him for a few weeks when we have Romero in waiting? (a capable back-up keeper).
 
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