I've read that sentence five times and it makes even less sense than the first time I read it
Anywho, we're going round in circles here.
You still haven't explained how you arrived at your theory.
Transfer committee / Recruitment team
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Anywho, we're going round in circles here.
You still haven't explained how you arrived at your theory.
The club changed approach under Mourinho by refusing to sanction his signings. They offloaded Fellaini and Valencia and renewed contracts without even having a permanent manager.
Ole isn’t driving Utd’s recruitment, if he’s sacked there won’t be a change of direction. Manger no longer defines the recruitment process, just plays a part in it.
Ole isn’t driving Utd’s recruitment, if he’s sacked there won’t be a change of direction. Manger no longer defines the recruitment process, just plays a part in it.
Ed Woodward said we have a recruitment team and that the recruitment team have a veto on transfers.
Ergo... no theory, confirmed fact.
That we have a recruitment team in place is not in dispute. What qualifies as theory is your suggestion that the scouting department has some form of 'veto motion' that allows them to outvote both the chairman and the manager, and I don't buy it.
I believe the scouts are allowed to voice their opinions and concerns regarding a transfer target, as they always have done and always will do, but I don't believe their power extends beyond mere words. Ultimately, the final decision rests first with the manager, then the chairman. These two being the only members of the hierarchy with the power to veto a deal.
Yeah for sure, under LVG there were clearly "LVG signings", "Woodward signings" and "Club signings". And as far as we know LVG had a veto (hence no Kroos) and Woodward presumably had a veto because he has a veto on everything ultimately.
This seems to have changed during Mourinho's reign and at some point the transfer committee became a more tangible force and gained a veto as well, hence no Boateng or Alderweireld.
Do the Glazers have any say over transfers ?
Of course Ed has a say in the recruitment. Ed manipulates that article by saying that he has no involvement with the recruitment and we have our own department to do the job. What you missed is that the article you posted mentioned about his involvement is signing off the money. Recruitment requires money and he has involvement with the negotiation of the transfer fees & contract.
In summary, he's the guy who is responsible whether the club should spend the transfer fees or certain contract on player. Glazer put him in charge for the task to control the money in and out within the club, I'm in shocked if he let others to be responsible for it.
And obviously he has the help of the recruitment department to give him a suggestion whether the player is worth the money/contract or whether the the club can negotiate it to bring down the price of the fees/contract.
You're assuming the manager doesnt know better than the committee. This kind of system would hamper a manager like saf, would help managers like lvg.
There's always two sides of the coin.
Last time liverpool transfer committee was so bad rafa quoted them as lampost and chairs.
There's no bad system, just bad person making the decision.
Unless manager wants 500m for neymar i dont think they care.
They approve a budget and let manager deal with who what how much.
That was definitely confusing. I'm assuming whatever our analytics was in choosing AWB that it's a smaller scale to what is going to be in place from now on.
Suggestion? No mate, once again, the quotes from the CEO clearly state that the recruitment team have a veto
It works both ways, the recruitment department obviously have a say in who comes in, but also in who goes out. So if Ole can not take total responsibility for your recent successful transfers, he can't take the total blame for the under strength squad you started the season with.
Look, if Willian was the eventual candidate, then at least we are not confused. What happened to those missing conversation, that someone rang and say Sanchez is available, then someone quietly mention that Sanchez played on the left, where we already have Martial and Rashford, while Pogba likes to hang around on the left as well, then another person say XXX, then Ed say lets go for Sanchez.
All well & good identifying the players you’d like but when Haaland [& now potentially Bellingham] head elsewhere it’s all rhetoric.
Our recruitment is a shambles. Bin the committee.
Our recruitment is a shambles. Bin the committee.
There are plenty of players, no club can sign all the players they try to sign.
In your opinion, is Bellingham a bigger talent than Hannibal?
We cannot possibly be expected to buy every single talent and upcoming player. We have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.
Interesting that none of the warring factions in this thread seem to have replied to this. I agree that it throws into question the notion that until recently we only signed players the managers expressly demanded.
The influence of players’ agents has, I believe, been greater at United than at other “top” clubs for a long long time. While I agree that it’s ridiculous to suggest that Woodward “chooses” players to sign, if I were an agent I would fancy my chances if I called him up and explained what a good idea it would be if United signed a player that just happened to be represented by me.
I’d have flattered him by pointing out what a great opportunity it would be to right an historic wrong and “bring Pogba home”. This would appeal to sentimental Ed as much as any commercial benefit.
I’m sure that relationships with agents remain important: isn’t Ighalo represented by Ole’s mate? If there really is now a more collective process involved in transfers, with any luck the chances of individuals being bamboozled by certain agents will be much reduced. This can only be a good thing.
We were talking to Jose way before he was hired. The same Jose that demanded Pogba be signed the summer before at Chelsea. I believe we were also interested in Pogba at that time and Jose coming on board pushed that as a priority.
We also have evidence we would have signed Kroos had LVG not been hired.
Im pretty sure our “committe” didnt sign Ibra or Matic. Managers used to have a huge say. Hopefully its less now
Maybe but the ‘unnamed sources’ at United came off as being very proud of themselves for the process they undertook in selecting AWB.
In regard to the new analysis team, I find this very educating:
I heard Laurie Whitwell on The Athletic's Man Utd podcast and he confirmed what I thought. There are analysts already. United just expanding personnel and giving them more relevance.
Can't believe this committee thing has been dragging on for so long. For people unfamiliar with Committee, here is the 101
1. In any committee there is only 1 Chairman, Ed, the final say, but since Ed is generally unfamiliar with football business, which is not necessarily a bad thing, better than a know it all Chairman.
2. There is a professional manager Ole, who is also ultimately accountable for football result
3. There will be king-slayer interested in the manager's job. So when Ole say he is interested in Sancho, he will counter-say but Sancho is unreliable, have a doggy agent...
4. Most important of all, rest of the committee will be Mr. Nice Guy. So when Ole say he wants Sancho, he will say Sancho is very good, affordable, but unreliable... When Ole wants to get rid of Lukaku, he will say yes I agree, Lukaku is too slow and have a poor touch, but will we have problem without a backup... When Ole wants Rakatic, he will say Rakatic is a very good player, still capable of playing for 3-5 years, but...
Ultimately Ole needs to make his decision, and sit on it.
1. In any committee there is only 1 Chairman, Ed, the final say, but since Ed is generally unfamiliar with football business, which is not necessarily a bad thing, better than a know it all Chairman.
2. There is a professional manager Ole, who is also ultimately accountable for football result
3. There will be king-slayer interested in the manager's job. So when Ole say he is interested in Sancho, he will counter-say but Sancho is unreliable, have a doggy agent...
4. Most important of all, rest of the committee will be Mr. Nice Guy. So when Ole say he wants Sancho, he will say Sancho is very good, affordable, but unreliable... When Ole wants to get rid of Lukaku, he will say yes I agree, Lukaku is too slow and have a poor touch, but will we have problem without a backup... When Ole wants Rakatic, he will say Rakatic is a very good player, still capable of playing for 3-5 years, but...
Ultimately Ole needs to make his decision, and sit on it.