Watched it a few times. The person with the higher pitched voice clearly yells Lingard twice.
Police investigating abuse (including alleged racist) directed towards Lingard
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I know. It’s becoming such that words in themselves are seen as offensive not the context so let’s stop using that word in any context because it’s offensive.It's ridiculous. If I were to say something like "He called Lingard a nigger, that's disgusting" how would that offend anyone
In before someone pretends to be offended by me using the word
Derby fans have an inferiority complex
Why did the stewards and the Police who should have been there protecting the coach stop it?
Shouting you're shit at a player definitely isn't the same as shouting racist abuse at him. "Abuse is abuse" is just a meaningless tautology.
It's just abhorrent behaviour at it's finest. Despite all the awareness campaigns these days, unfortunately these vile, neanderthal wankers live amoung us.
I get that
but Leicester of the same ilk give him a warm reception.Pretty sure Birmingham and Brighton do.
He went there on loan to help them and as far as I know didn't do anything wrong.
Find it bizarre the hatred they have towards him. Like I said it was really apparent during last seasons league Cup game.
I agree it should absolutely be redundant to state that "abuse is abuse", but what i reacted to was people in this thread seemingly only viewing this episode as abuse if it is racist. Some even condone abuse of players they don't like as long as it is not racist. I don't agree with that notion. Racist shouts are definitely making it worse, but that doesn't mean ganging up on people and degrading them isn't abuse.
Being frequently told that you are useless feels awful regardless, and especially when it is as widespread as what Lingard experiences. I can't see why that is a controversial view? I have seen a lot of examples of what that kind of behaviour can do to people, whether or not the abuse they got were racist or not.
Now get back to getting your liver eaten. Don't worry, you'll grow another one tomorrow
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Not sure about the background inbred sounding voices but the last one just before video ended is clearly "niga"
Which left is this? The majority white one that’s oppressing the while male football fan?
The same is happening in this thread as happens in practically every Pogba one, the topic of race rears its head & the mythical left is used as some reason to hold a view in opposition to something being racist.
Everyone should feel free to say what they like. 2 questions about the word though.
i) Why as a ‘white’ person would you want to say it in its entirety? I don’t speak for all ‘black’ people at all so using this forum as an example I’ve never seen a member tell another they can’t use the ‘full pejorative’ in a general discussion on racism as opposed to as a slur.
“These lefties won’t even allow me to say Nigger in a general race discussion”, behave - these trivial sidebars are so detrimental to the discussion.
Being happy to say it typing away on your keyboard is one thing. Being happy saying it amongst a majority white crowd after a football match is another but if you know using a word can catch you a beat down in some circumstances & will get your job terminated in another then why even bother using it.
The bottom line is say what you like by all means but don’t blame the boogeyman lefties when others don’t like what you’re saying and respond according to their feelings at the time.
I’ll return to using the left friendly, ‘N word’ going forward.
Is that a new kind of dance?
That’s the best defence of the lefties I’ve read in a long time. It started in the States but adopted by the trendy lefties in the U.K.Which left is this? The majority white one that’s oppressing the while male football fan?
The same is happening in this thread as happens in practically every Pogba one, the topic of race rears its head & the mythical left is used as some reason to hold a view in opposition to something being racist.
Everyone should feel free to say what they like. 2 questions about the word though.
i) Why as a ‘white’ person would you want to say it in its entirety? I don’t speak for all ‘black’ people at all so using this forum as an example I’ve never seen a member tell another they can’t use the ‘full pejorative’ in a general discussion on racism as opposed to as a slur.
“These lefties won’t even allow me to say Nigger in a general race discussion”, behave - these trivial sidebars are so detrimental to the discussion.
Being happy to say it typing away on your keyboard is one thing. Being happy saying it amongst a majority white crowd after a football match is another but if you know using a word can catch you a beat down in some circumstances & will get your job terminated in another then why even bother using it.
The bottom line is say what you like by all means but don’t blame the boogeyman lefties when others don’t like what you’re saying and respond according to their feelings at the time.
I’ll return to using the left friendly, ‘N word’ going forward.
Gave me a laugh anyway
Disgusting behaviour. The media presentation of some of our players has definitely provoked hatred.
It shouldn't matter who says this word or any other. Because that would be racist.Which left is this? The majority white one that’s oppressing the while male football fan?
The same is happening in this thread as happens in practically every Pogba one, the topic of race rears its head & the mythical left is used as some reason to hold a view in opposition to something being racist.
Everyone should feel free to say what they like. 2 questions about the word though.
i) Why as a ‘white’ person would you want to say it in its entirety? I don’t speak for all ‘black’ people at all so using this forum as an example I’ve never seen a member tell another they can’t use the ‘full pejorative’ in a general discussion on racism as opposed to as a slur.
“These lefties won’t even allow me to say Nigger in a general race discussion”, behave - these trivial sidebars are so detrimental to the discussion.
Being happy to say it typing away on your keyboard is one thing. Being happy saying it amongst a majority white crowd after a football match is another but if you know using a word can catch you a beat down in some circumstances & will get your job terminated in another then why even bother using it.
The bottom line is say what you like by all means but don’t blame the boogeyman lefties when others don’t like what you’re saying and respond according to their feelings at the time.
I’ll return to using the left friendly, ‘N word’ going forward.
Not sure what you are trying to imply here. But it clearly matters who says it - see american pop culture for a reference.
What I'm trying to say is it shouldn't be used at all. I completely understand that if a white person says it to a black person then that's worse than if a black person does it because, you know, history. But why would a black person want to use it? If they, like in American pop culture, start using the word to refer to their friends, that changes the meaning of the word. Which makes it confusing. And if they (mostly black rappers) use the word to insult other black persons (usually other black rappers) isn't that just as bad? Personally I see no good reason for ANYONE to use the word. But let's not get offended if the word is used in a general discussion by anyone just for the sake of getting offended.
Are you aware that they are actually not using the same word?
Care to explain?
Look it up.
Look what up exactly? You're not making much sense.
I remember Villa playing at my other team Wycombe a few years ago. Ended in a draw. Their fans were going absolutely ape sh!t at their team, and the pplice and stewards did nothing.
In crowds they seem to have the approach of letting everything go unless it gets physical, and then try and deal with it on camera footage later.
Am I a lefty or a black man who’s watching the oppressed white males of this forums swearing blind that haven’t heard someone shout the ‘N word’ then crying cause the big bad lefties won’t let them type a word on the internet.
I could care less what anybody says I find it amusing that the progressive millennials are scared to say a word & blame a direction for their plight.
I asked why white people would want to say Nigger & instead of interacting with the post it’s a ‘lefty view’
I think you need to DJ more research on the subject if you want to understand the cultural reference to the word and it’s use in popular culture,and the term as a word to oppress black Americans
Was is it N word or "Lingard Lingard"? I mean, i know that racists are not smart people but yelling racist words in crowd where are other black people( i guess) would be mental. Can someone be that stupid?
Edit: it is N word. I am surprised that nobody didn't react. Players, other people from crowd....
Edit: it is N word. I am surprised that nobody didn't react. Players, other people from crowd....
What an inbred set of morons.
No I know full well it has a different meaning in pop culture. Which makes it all the more confusing. If this is to be resolved everyone should stop using the word and all its derivatives including (especially) the one used in pop culture.
Please elaborate before I respond as I often go off on tangents.
Are you posing the argument that a black person saying Nigger in [for example] music is the same as a black footballer getting on a team bus being called a Nigger?
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No I'm not. That would be stupid. I'm saying the word shouldn't be used at all no matter what the colour of your skin is or what you mean by it.
The two twats abusing Lingard are true dipshits. Wastes of space.
However I didn't hear any racial abuse.
There's a guy who shouts "Yo Martial!" and then "Lingard, Lingard, yo Lingard where's the s[inaudible]ings".
People seem to think he used the n-word, but that's clearly not what happened. He seems to not even be insulting them. More like trying to get their autographs.
The guy at the end says "Lingard" ones, or maybe the n-word. It's very hard to tell. But much more likely to be "Lingard", because I think I hear an L. Sounds mostly like "Linga", or "Ligga".
However I didn't hear any racial abuse.
There's a guy who shouts "Yo Martial!" and then "Lingard, Lingard, yo Lingard where's the s[inaudible]ings".
People seem to think he used the n-word, but that's clearly not what happened. He seems to not even be insulting them. More like trying to get their autographs.
The guy at the end says "Lingard" ones, or maybe the n-word. It's very hard to tell. But much more likely to be "Lingard", because I think I hear an L. Sounds mostly like "Linga", or "Ligga".
Having listened again you may well be right. Hopefully that's what it was.
It's just people hearing and seeing racism where there isn't any. A slight desperation to call others out. A fear of being caught on the wrong side of a discussion about racism.
There are no racial slurs in this video. It's beyond clear that someone is shouting a man's name.
Well if it was beyond clear then we wouldn’t be having this debate.
I’m not sure either way. What I am sure about is that, there are a number of low life football fans who think it’s ok to follow players to the coach and hurl insults
Herein lies the issue with this forum, it is not ‘beyond clear’ there are people [whether you like it or not] who hear different; that doesn’t make it a witch hunt, make them a lefty, make them desperate to see racism in everything etc.
As my initial post stated, I don’t want this discussion to veer into what you hear & what others do yet we still got there. The case isn’t “beyond clear” & the fact you’re so adamant it is is exactly why most threads with strong opinions dissolve into a frenzied pile of nonsense. People start litigating based on opinions.
“you’re looking for racism because your opinion of an incident differs with mine”
Why would anyone have a fear of being caught on the wrong side of a discussion on race? There’s people in here saying the boogeyman lefties have said they can’t use the ‘N word’ in its entirety & that’s simply nonsense.
The first time i heard it, i was sure it was the N word, but after someone in this thread said it sounded like Lingard, that's what i'm hearing too.
I can only hear Lingard now... maybe it's the Laurel something thing again?
Anyway, the rest of what they were shouting was just stupid too.... why do people do this?
What event was this at? Are these United supporters? "supporters"
I can only hear Lingard now... maybe it's the Laurel something thing again?
Anyway, the rest of what they were shouting was just stupid too.... why do people do this?
What event was this at? Are these United supporters? "supporters"
To be fair it's understandable that people mishear given the accents, especially if you've had the good fortune of never having to go to Derby or interact with someone from Derby in your life.
But listening again today it's quite categorical that no one says the n word in that video.
But listening again today it's quite categorical that no one says the n word in that video.