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Keir Starmer Labour Leader

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Sorry, that was badly put - it was the Cafe member who recommended the book to me. One of the few antisemites I’ve encountered on here. Though it wouldn’t surprise me if Atzmon also believes it (he blamed Jews for the Grenfell fire).



I view Sanders and Corbyn as two quite different politicians with different backgrounds attempting to navigate very different political cultures. For me at least this explains the contrasting responses to the charge of antisemitism against them.
Ah, fair enough. Atzmon, from what little I've read over the last hour or so seems obscene.

I feel that Bernie has been a lot more careful over the course of his career in the people and organisations he has associated himself with, possibly because of the strength of the Israel lobby in America. It is also far harder to target a Jew with false accusations of antisemitism.

Oddly enough, I feel our views on a lot of these matters align. We've been able to have a pretty open and honest conversation on this topic without resorting to name calling or accusing each other of anything. This is what I want. The problem is that because of the sheer volume of false accusations and the impossibly broad definition of antisemitism, I can almost never do this. I'm glad there are still people I'm able to have a civil discussion with on the matter.
 

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Keir Starmer received £50,000 donation from pro-Israel lobbyist in leadership bid
 

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I suspect so would nandy... Can't blame anybody for funding them when the other option was backed by all the antisemitic corbynistas
What did you think of the report?
 

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This guy has his next election campaign all written out for him.

Just remind the public how bad the current government's coronavirus response was in a few years time and he's straight in as a favourite to be next PM.
Well let's hope so.
He is significantly more astute than Corbyn.
And he is fully aware that at the moment it is probably best to keep a low profile.

He has already inflicted a good punch by raising the profile of the lack of the government lockdown exit strategy.

Firstly he knows that they don't have one.
And secondly, he has got the public talking about it and making the point that the government doesn't trust the public enough by continually telling us the same stay at home message.
 

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Must have imagined all the interviews, from him and members of his shadow cabinet, saying how now isn't the time to criticise.
Which was the right thing to say at that time . He has since called the Tory party out for their lack of action
 

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We shall see when the ehrc report comes out
I'll state right now that I will expect labour to accept and implement it's reccomendations in full... Will you agree with that
Surely rejecting the EHRC report is hardly an option?
 

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Well if that was the planned defence for the ehrc I think it means labour of going to face significant prosecutions

I also think the gdpr breaches in leaking could amount to millions
If the report is close to an accurate representation of what went on within the party in the period under review, and the EHRC take it into consideration, their conclusions will likely differ from what you seem to be hoping for. So it may be wise to wait and see.
 

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If the report is close to an accurate representation of what went on within the party in the period under review, and the EHRC take it into consideration, their conclusions will likely differ from what you seem to be hoping for. So it may be wise to wait and see.
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It states that there was a failure to develop "detailed or coherent guidelines for investigating complaints based on social media conduct" and a failure to "implement the Macpherson principle of logging and investigating complaints of racism as racism".

Following what the report describes as a "systematic review" of all complaints received between November 2016 to February 2018, it claims investigations were initiated into only 34 of the more than 300 complaints received in relation to antisemitism.

"At least half of these warranted action, many of them in relation to very extreme forms of antisemitism, but were ignored. Almost all of these complaints were forwarded from one inbox to another, and many of them were identified as Labour members and sent to the Head of Disputes, Sam Matthews, for action", the report claims.

In a statement to Sky News responding to the leaked report, Sam Matthews said: "This latest episode comes as no surprise to me, as an effort by a disgruntled faction who are floundering in their attempts to blame others in order to distract from matters that will be investigated by the EHRC and the Courts.

"I hope Keir Starmer will stand by his commitment to undo the damage that they and their supporters have caused.

Image:Sir Keir Starmer replaced Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader on 4 April
Mr Matthews continued: "The proper examination of the full evidence will show that as Head of Disputes and Acting Director, I did my level best to tackle the poison of anti-Jewish racism which was growing under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership.

"A highly selective, retrospective review of the Party's poor record, not deemed good enough for submission by the Party's own lawyers and conducted in the dying days of a Corbyn's leadership in order to justify their inaction, simply cannot be relied upon."
We shall see...the lawyers certainly feel it harms any defence I guess due to some of the things above... Do you expect labour should accept and implem my whatever the ehrc reccomends like I do
 

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We shall see...the lawyers certainly feel it harms any defence I guess due to some of the things above... Do you expect labour should accept and implem my whatever the ehrc reccomends like I do
I’m sure the new leadership will do pretty much whatever it takes to get through this. I’d just say that there seems a strong possibility that neither ‘side’ in this saga is going to emerge with anything resembling a conclusive victory, so the pre-emptive chest-thumping seems a bit premature (applies to both factions).
 

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I’m sure the new leadership will do pretty much whatever it takes to get through this. I’d just say that there seems a strong possibility that neither ‘side’ in this saga is going to emerge with anything resembling a conclusive victory, so the pre-emptive chest-thumping seems a bit premature (applies to both factions).
The party might even be bankrupt after the legal ramifications of the leak
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...cial-peril-keir-starmer-members-leaked-report
Plus potentially huge damages following the ehrc
 

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This guy has his next election campaign all written out for him.

Just remind the public how bad the current government's coronavirus response was in a few years time and he's straight in as a favourite to be next PM.
I doubt it, he will be losing a lot of supporters/votes after the leaks over the last few weeks.
 

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I doubt it, he will be losing a lot of supporters/votes after the leaks over the last few weeks.
For sure. But I doubt many of those can't be won back if he removes some of the worst offenders in the report.

He needs to purge a lot who have disgraced the party over the last few years. Whichever branch of the left they claim to support.
 

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I doubt it, he will be losing a lot of supporters/votes after the leaks over the last few weeks.
The leak has had very little cut through except among keen politics watchers. It may be a problem in a year's time if arguments about antisemitism are still rumbling on in 12 months time though, and the leak may cause that to happen.
 

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When it comes to bluffing and waffling. Raab is a novice compared to Boris.
 

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Shameful, whoever it was should be booted out of the party.
 

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Shameful, whoever it was should be booted out of the party.
To be fair, the 2017 general election was an exceptionally well run campaign, while the 2019 campaign (when Corbyn's team got their way on these matters) was a complete disaster. So while the deceit is not a good thing, again, I'm not sure this can be seen as the kind of sabotage that's being made out in some quarters.
 

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The policy has now changed from rent suspension to rent deferment i.e. Labour’s new policy is that renters should have to pay rent for their time spent occupying their homes during the crisis but not until a later date,
seems pretty fair - I mean thats exactly whats happening with mortgage payments right?
 

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Corbyn demands rent deferrals and sick pay increase in coronavirus letter to PM
https://labourlist.org/2020/03/corb...ick-pay-increase-in-coronavirus-letter-to-pm/

  • Rent deferrals and mortgage holidays, so that landlords cannot evict tenants and mortgage companies cannot take action against homeowners;
That's from the 14th of March where as the link in the article I posted is from the 18th of March

https://labour.org.uk/press/jeremy-...ction-for-people-during-coronavirus-outbreak/

3. Rent suspension and a ban on evictions for six months.

Rent needs to be suspended for those adversely affected by the impact of the coronavirus outbreak. The government’s three-month ban on evictions should be extended to six months, in line with the renewal period we propose for the emergency legislation

The policy has changed(Which is like the important part btw).
 
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Ah yes, the left of the party piling on Starmer with their *checks notes* non-Labour affiliated housing action group blog posts expressing disappointment at specific changes in Labour policy.
 

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to be in line with exactly the same support offered to people with mortgages (which seems fair btw)
Not really, mortgage holidays shift the payment backwards meaning your payments remain the same but they go on for longer. Rent deferrals mean your future payments increase to cover the period you weren't paying rent for.
 

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Ah yes, the left of the party piling on Starmer with their *checks notes* non-Labour affiliated housing action group blog posts expressing disappointment at specific changes in Labour policy.
The tweet was by a well known lefty blogger who last I checked was a Labour member, so not sure where you're going there.