Do you think De Gea’s form this season has been acceptable? The reason I ask is because it’s this assessment which determines next steps, not necessarily the brilliance (or non-brilliance) of Henderson alone.Both were shite keeping. Henderson may well be in for a great future but he has a lot to prove yet. He’s getting blown because people on this forum do what they always do and get carried away at the idea of a player they no longer like being replaced. It’s akin to when Varela was being talked about us a future star because people didn’t like Valencia.
Ok, yeah. Fair enough. I’m certainly not arguing Henderson should take his place immediately.No one game or mistake can prove one way or the other but I don’t think people have watched enough of Henderson to be demanding he replaces De Gea immediately. That’s my only real complaint. De Gea could have no complaints if he was dropped for a while but I don’t think it necessarily means we’ll be better off because De Gea is still capable of making saves others wouldn’t. Schmeichel, even at his best, was good for four or five blunders a year. He made up for it the rest of the time.
Or the more sensible idea may be to replace him with a world class GK that has proved his ability to handle the pressure.There's only one way to find out...
it's not like we have a world class GK starting for us. I love De Gea and I've stuck up for him plenty of times but it's clear to see he's not the same player anymore.
DDG isn't doing that though.No one game or mistake can prove one way or the other but I don’t think people have watched enough of Henderson to be demanding he replaces De Gea immediately. That’s my only real complaint. De Gea could have no complaints if he was dropped for a while but I don’t think it necessarily means we’ll be better off because De Gea is still capable of making saves others wouldn’t. Schmeichel, even at his best, was good for four or five blunders a year. He made up for it the rest of the time.
And lose Henderson as a consequence? Who would this ready made world class keeper willing to make the move be?Or the more sensible idea may be to replace him with a world class GK that has proved his ability to handle the pressure.
That's an absurd statement.Romero is still better than him. Why do people want this guy to replace De gea? Are you crazy? De gea has been our player of the year two times. Henderson can't clean de gea's boots right now let's be real.
Gambled on going across goal.its hard to save - but he should at least be a lot closer than he was. He was in the wrong position
No it hasn’t been. But I do think he’s earned just a little bit more patience. I think playing De Gea over the course of the season vs Romero over the course of a season will see us pick up more points with De Gea. That doesn’t mean it’s currently good enough because obviously it isn’t.Do you think De Gea’s form this season has been acceptable? The reason I ask is because it’s this assessment which determines next steps, not necessarily the brilliance (or non-brilliance) of Henderson alone.
The goalkeeper discussion isn’t one of agenda. Not really. I’ve been as big a fan of De Gea as any during his time here but he’s directly responsible for too many goals and I wouldn’t just attribute it to a lack of form. It’s been a couple of years now.
What is the basis for your last sentence?Romero is still better than him. Why do people want this guy to replace De gea? Are you crazy? De gea has been our player of the year two times. Henderson can't clean de gea's boots right now let's be real.
What proves what? Check some stats.He should have saved it, no 2 sides about it. He was late in reaching to that shot.Let's be honest - it was one of the easiest shot to be saved. First post, lowly hit .
Proves that - a brilliant season at SFU proves nothing in terms of replacing DDG. Foster also had similar experience and we all thought he could take over from VDS. SFU is primarily a defensive team and gets lot of protection from defenders. So we wouldn't know until he comes and take over from DDG.
How long does that patience last? I’ll be honest, any more of the nonsense we’ve seen against both Everton and Spurs in recent games and I’m certainly finished with him. It’s costing us points. I agree re. Romero. I like him; he’s a great second keeper, but his goals conceded column is certainly benefitted by the types of games he plays in. Astana at home and what-have-you.No it hasn’t been. But I do think he’s earned just a little bit more patience. I think playing De Gea over the course of the season vs Romero over the course of a season will see us pick up more points with De Gea. That doesn’t mean it’s currently good enough because obviously it isn’t.
As far as Henderson goes I don’t know. I’ve watched him play twice so it’s not enough to really say. My problem is that I think many of those clamouring for him now haven’t seen enough either.
Living off the past. De Gea used to be an amazing shot stopper but he still couldn't play his position properly. Now with his confidence down and perhaps lost a bit of a step, he is being found out. VDS was never even close to being as agile as De Gea, but he was a way better keeper because he was brilliant at the basics. De Gea still doesn't know the basics. His positioning is horrible and he has no command of his 6 yard box. We have seen goals that have been put solely on his back from obvious mistakes, but there have been a lot more that he doesn't get blame for that a keeper like myself will notice and say that it was preventable with better positioning or if he is more brave.Romero is still better than him. Why do people want this guy to replace De gea? Are you crazy? De gea has been our player of the year two times. Henderson can't clean de gea's boots right now let's be real.
Stats with SFU against stats with United ? Yeah let's keep doing apples and OrangesWhat proves what? Check some stats.
It will be different for different people. Some have lost it, I still have some. Mistakes are remembered for much longer than great saves are.How long does that patience last? I’ll be honest, any more of the nonsense we’ve seen against both Everton and Spurs in recent games and I’m certainly finished with him. It’s costing us points. I agree re. Romero. I like him; he’s a great second keeper, but his goals conceded column is certainly benefitted by the types of games he plays in. Astana at home and what-have-you.
I’ve seen little of Henderson, I’ll be honest. But he’s clearly well regarded and good at keeping the ball out of the net. I can understand why there is a clamour to give him a go. Being homegrown certainly makes it more exciting, too. We’ve never really developed our own goalkeeper, at least not in my lifetime, so I guess that helps his case.
Exactly. People don’t seem to want to take your reasoning into consideration. Has even been pointed out by Hoek who has coached both and knows more about football than the whole forum put together but some people want to thrust him into a United team when he’s still making mistakes for Sheffield.Said it in the match thread but will say it here too. Henderson isn't under much scrutiny there, he's young, first year in the prem and he's impressed. But being goalkeeper for Man United is a different universe to that. Every action will be scrutinized, everything will be deemed as saveable, and he has to stop them without making mistakes. Consistently. Thats what de gea did for 4 years. He stopped what looked impossible, consistently. He made crazy saves routinely and he had a long stretch without making mistakes. Now he's had a bad year and a half, but it doesn't mean that Henderson is ready to come in right away.
Henderson has had mistakes as well and even others he's let in would be deemed as mistakes were he at United. More hype, more attention and more criticism inevitably. Another year at Sheffield Utd will do him a world of good as he'll need to build on this season and cut out the mistakes that he's had before coming to United. Show he can handle the criticism and higher pressure. He'll be taking over from one of our best goalkeepers ever, and people will be remembering performances like De Gea vs Spurs, Madrid or Arsenal every time Henderson doesn't do the same. So yeah, its too soon for Henderson to just step in. Goalkeeper isn't like other positions, but thankfully I don't think there's a chance that Ole and the club rush into a decision like that.
Of course you are going to avoid statistics, you are desperate. Henderson is just a better goalkeeper than De gea, nothing else needs to be said.Stats with SFU against stats with United ? Yeah let's keep doing apples and Oranges
And this is the difference I was talking about. When most goalkeepers make mistakes, you could say they should have done better. Such as Henderson today.So, people have written him off because of one goal. Seriously? De Gea has cocked up so many saves since the world cup; I think people are forgetting how many points he has lost us.
He was a great keeper from before 2017-18 but has been pretty average since the world cup.
I would like to see Henderson given a chance next season, but it won't happen. De Gea is on the downward slope; he is only going to get worse from now on.
Why should I consider a pointless stat to prove someone's ignorance? I have said nothing against DDG or Henderson. You are the desperate one to prove one is better than other. So keep believing what you want but the fact is a season with SFU proves nothing absolutely nothing.Of course you are going to avoid statistics, you are desperate. Henderson is just a better goalkeeper than De gea, nothing else needs to be said.
Look at your initial post and the parts I bolded. So a good season with Sheffield proves nothing, while a single conceded goal with Sheffield proves something - logic of the desperate. Indeed you should check out the statistics, you will need them.Why should I consider a pointless stat to prove someone's ignorance? I have said nothing against DDG or Henderson. You are the desperate one to prove one is better than other. So keep believing what you want but the fact is a season with SFU proves nothing absolutely nothing.
Who cares what De Gea did 2+ seasons ago? We'd still be playing Rooney up front if past glories counted for anything.Romero is still better than him. Why do people want this guy to replace De gea? Are you crazy? De gea has been our player of the year two times. Henderson can't clean de gea's boots right now let's be real.
Not sure which part you didn't quite get. Any stat with SFU where he gets more protection from defenders and playing for a newly promoted team is pointless. Playing for united and playing for a Midtable(who were playing in championship) are 2 different things. So a brilliant season with SFU - good or bad proves absolutely nothing.Look at your initial post and the parts I bolded. So a good season with Sheffield proves nothing, while a single conceded goal with Sheffield proves something - logic of the desperate. Indeed you should check out the statistics, you will need them.
This season Sheffield have an xGa of 37.9 and they've conceded 25, while we have an xGa of 30.6 and we've conceded 30. So the simple answer is de Gea has been better protected by the defence and yet has been conceding more. (Not including the games this week as they haven't been available yet.)What proves what? Check some stats.
That is exactly why you should check out the statistics. You could talk about the pressure of playing for Man Utd relative to Sheffield, but he does not get much more protection compared to every other goalkeeper in the league. He's just very good at stopping them shots.Not sure which part you didn't quite get. Any stat with SFU where he gets more protection from defenders and playing for a newly promoted team is pointless. Playing for united and playing for a Midtable(who were playing in championship) are 2 different things. So a brilliant season with SFU - good or bad proves absolutely nothing.
Seriously, people cannot be more logic less . Come on !
What stat do you need to prove that claims?That is exactly why you should check out the statistics. You could talk about the pressure of playing for Man Utd relative to Sheffield, but he does not get much more protection compared to every other goalkeeper in the league. He's just very good at stopping them shots.
You said that a good season with Sheffield proves nothing, while using a single goal he conceded in a game to back up such claim.
Defensive team does not mean he doesn't face shots. He faces about 3.6 shots per game with the EPL average just over 4 shots per game. If you check individually, he's got one of the best save percentages in the league and is doing quite well on XG front.What stat do you need to prove that claims?
SFU - a newly promoted team ? Google it.
SFU- a defensive team ? Only conceded 28 goals to date but scored only 31, second only to Liverpool, second most no of clean sheets, play a very compact 5 at back.
So he does get more protection because of their style of play and less pressure at the club.
Romero is the answer....And lose Henderson as a consequence? Who would this ready made world class keeper willing to make the move be?
Aah - the good old xG. We have had plenty of discussions here how it doesn't reflect the correct picture. So spare me from that.Defensive team does not mean he doesn't face shots. He faces about 3.6 shots per game with the EPL average just over 4 shots per game. If you check individually, he's got one of the best save percentages in the league and is doing quite well on XG front.
Less pressure at Sheffield, probably, but there's only one way to find out if he could handle the pressure at United.
He should've saved the first one. De Gea would rightly get pillocked for that.People are blaming Henderson for the goals?
What could he have done? The first and third were literally 1 metre out. If he saves either of them it's a miracle. The 2nd he is clearly off sighted by his defender so can't react in time. None are mistakes all very little he could do.
I know we love de gea but no need to be silly in your accessment of Henderson.
