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I have this too, it feels a bit like a chore so far.Played first 3 hours so far. Just hope it's going to start soon that's all. So far the beginning has been as boring as the that of Rdr2.
Perhaps it's because you know what's going to happen and because you've read/watched spoilers you've completely removed any tension or intrigue the devs have intended you to feel.Picked it up and played about 4 hours.
I just can't get into it, I found the most of it dull so far. Gameplay feels good but not amazing. 6/10 for me so far but it is starting to open up now I'm in uncharted waters (bar knowing the major plot points)
I found the first 2 hours pretty dull but I had watched it via LP so maybe thats why. I've said my piece on Joel.
I'm currently after collecting the gas and canister at the start of Seattle and the game seems to be opening up.
Also I'm really enjoying Dina as a character.
Blasphemy!Played first 3 hours so far. Just hope it's going to start soon that's all. So far the beginning has been as boring as the that of Rdr2.
Whilst I can understand this, I also don't really I spent the first part of the game looking at everything and all the details that had been added to the game. I thought it was great. Sometimes when playing I just stop and admire the view.Blasphemy!
Absolutely. I really enjoy the pacing. If it was ram packed with stuff and action all the time, you wouldn’t see everything and appreciate the time and effort that’s been put into the world. It’s amazing.Whilst I can understand this, I also don't really I spent the first part of the game looking at everything and all the details that had been added to the game. I thought it was great. Sometimes when playing I just stop and admire the view.
If some journos think it is the best game ever, than it's their best game ever, simple. There doesn't have to be any universal consensus for that. You almost seem offended that people actually like it that much.I know this dude to be most forgiving and positive "reviewer" out there and even he didn't like the story delivery, pacing etc. Polarizing game like this can't be "best game ever made" no matter how hard some journos want it to be, first one was universally beloved, this one, not really, it will not be in the TLOU, The Witcher 3 etc tier after some time.
You seem so desperate to justify your post about agendas.I know this dude to be most forgiving and positive "reviewer" out there and even he didn't like the story delivery, pacing etc. Polarizing game like this can't be "best game ever made" no matter how hard some journos want it to be, first one was universally beloved, this one, not really, it will not be in the TLOU, The Witcher 3 etc tier after some time.
This is a great sentence from a CV journo:
In trying to subvert expectations, The Last of Us Part II discards the best aspects of its predecessor to provide a rote revenge tale that is ill-considered, ending on a note that makes everything — all the violence, all the loss, all the struggle — feel utterly, hopelessly pointless.
It doesn't work like that, universal consensus is exactly there to put games in that category, many people don't like open world RPGs but admit TW3 is in that tier because of that. I mean, it is MUCH harder to make such an open world RPG with so many story choices possibilities than games like this one, Uncharted etc that are linear storytelling. You can adore this game and still be objective, there are many games that are top tier for me personally but I can see why they are not in the eyes of general public.If some journos think it is the best game ever, than it's their best game ever, simple. There doesn't have to be any universal consensus for that. You almost seem offended that people actually like it that much.
You keep talking about "agendas" and I will talk about real game issues, that is fine with me. Cheers.You seem so desperate to justify your post about agendas.
You have yet to address that issue and have now just piled in with the gamers and reviewers who have managed to articulate their issues with the game.
Your constant justification for why you're not buying this game is getting tedious and while you like to pretend that everyone else chose to misinterpret your words it's pretty obvious what your issue was.
Because, despite your protestations your original post pointed at all the "agenda pushing" your reason for not buying it. Now your trying to claim that all along you meant that you disliked the narrative direction.
It's only been polarised if you bother paying attention to the thousands of users who review bombed it when they clearly hadn't even played the game. The thousands of users like yourself, who screamed 'agenda' when they read the leaks and pushed themselves prematurely into the anti-LOS2 camp.I know this dude to be most forgiving and positive "reviewer" out there and even he didn't like the story delivery, pacing etc. Polarizing game like this can't be "best game ever made" no matter how hard some journos want it to be, first one was universally beloved, this one, not really, it will not be in the TLOU, The Witcher 3 etc tier after some time.
This is a great sentence from a CV journo:
In trying to subvert expectations, The Last of Us Part II discards the best aspects of its predecessor to provide a rote revenge tale that is ill-considered, ending on a note that makes everything — all the violence, all the loss, all the struggle — feel utterly, hopelessly pointless.
I find discussions about universal consensus tiresome and pointless. How do you measure universal consensus? Metacritic ratings? User ratings? The amount of people complaining on Twitter, Reddit, Youtube, etc? We were doing just fine in this thread giving our own actual opinions and having a civil discussion about it (in spoiler tags obviously), even though they were conflicting opinions. The moment you throw universal consensus in there it becomes something intangible and impossible to discuss.It doesn't work like that, universal consensus is exactly there to put games in that category, many people don't like open world RPGs but admit TW3 is in that tier because of that. I mean, it is MUCH harder to make such an open world RPG with so many story choices possibilities than games like this one, Uncharted etc that are linear storytelling. You can adore this game and still be objective, there are many games that are top tier for me personally but I can see why they are not in the eyes of general public.
I am not offended, just talking about it, nothing more. If anything, I see people being offended whenever they see someone talking about this game without praising it to high heavens.
You brought it up and as I've said to you before, you are now are too scared to own it.It doesn't work like that, universal consensus is exactly there to put games in that category, many people don't like open world RPGs but admit TW3 is in that tier because of that. I mean, it is MUCH harder to make such an open world RPG with so many story choices possibilities than games like this one, Uncharted etc that are linear storytelling. You can adore this game and still be objective, there are many games that are top tier for me personally but I can see why they are not in the eyes of general public.
I am not offended, just talking about it, nothing more. If anything, I see people being offended whenever they see someone talking about this game without praising it to high heavens.
You keep talking about "agendas" and I will talk about real game issues, that is fine with me. Cheers.
There are tons of legit criticism if you ignore review bombing, but as I can see, you choose to generalize it all in the same basket so yeah, you are not actually aware.It's only been polarised if you bother paying attention to the thousands of users who review bombed it when they clearly hadn't even played the game. The thousands of users like yourself, who screamed 'agenda' when they read the leaks and pushed themselves prematurely into the anti-LOS2 camp.
The critics, who have actually bothered to play it before forming an opinion, almost universally love it.
The majority of people on the Caf also seem to like or love it.
If you play it for what it is - a game - and not a political hot potato, I'm sure even you would be able to recognise it's many obvious qualities.
Yeah, keep fighting the fantasy fight. I am rooting for you.You brought it up and as I've said to you before, you are now are too scared to own it.
I don't think anyone in here takes anything you say serious anyways, you've not even got it ffs and your in here lecturing people who are telling you it's good. Even some who originally said they didn't plan on buying it have since accepted they may have spoken a bit too soon with their criticism based on the leaks.
But you continue to bury your head in the sand and I'll keep calling you out to justify your original bigoted post. I assume eventually I'll end up like @Mr Pigeon and end up on your ignore list, but hopefully @Redlambs keeps up the good fight.
I think when more people have finished it on here we can be more objective and discuss the game as a whole. At the moment other than a couple of people it is people who have seen the spoilers and people who have played half a game. I certainly have one of criticism in terms of gameplay but don't want to make a final judgement until I've finished the whole thing. I've kept away from the spoilers so have deliberately stayed away from Metacritic, reviews etc.There are tons of legit criticism if you ignore review bombing, but as I can see, you choose to generalize it all in the same basket so yeah, you are not actually aware.
And I am NOT talking about game in general, I was never saying game is shit in general, neither I mentioned politics anywhere, I was always talking only about the story part of it which I CAN judge as I watched the whole game.
Yeah, keep fighting the fantasy fight. I am rooting for you.
I don't think you can judge the game or even it's story fairly at this point. You watched a bunch of contextless cut scenes, jumped on the hate train and made some questionable comments that have made everyone think your motives for disliking it are coming from a bad place.And I am NOT talking about game in general, I was never saying game is shit in general, neither I mentioned politics anywhere, I was always talking only about the story part of it which I CAN judge as I watched the whole game
I agree about atmosphere and the world, only thing I can't talk about is the actual gameplay.I think when more people have finished it on here we can be more objective and discuss the game as a whole. At the moment other than a couple of people it is people who have seen the spoilers and people who have played half a game. I certainly have one of criticism in terms of gameplay but don't want to make a final judgement until I've finished the whole thing. I've kept away from the spoilers so have deliberately stayed away from Metacritic, reviews etc.
As it stands, I'm two thirds of the way in and it is clearly a stand-out game in this generation and a masterpiece in terms of atmosphere and world creation. This is in my opinion and when it comes down to it that's all that matters as I'm the one who's paid the money.
No one is telling my what I should like or not, I am just trying to show people legit, constructive criticisms because lots of people seem to think only trolls and review bombers don't like the game which can't be further from the truth. That's all, if there is anything I hate it is generalization.Anyone who watches reviews or even lets plays rather than experiencing this game for themselves is a bit silly imo.
It’s a really great game, it’s definitley one of my favourites.
If you’ve played it and don’t like it more power to you, but if your experience with the game is someone like Cohh or critikal telling you whether or not you should like it then I’m a little embarrassed for you.
Nope, I watched full playthrough.I don't think you can judge the game or even it's story fairly at this point. You watched a bunch of contextless cut scenes, jumped on the hate train and made some questionable comments that have made everyone think your motives for disliking it are coming from a bad place.
You’ve said it won’t be seen alongside the top tier of games in the future despite having never played it. If what you’re trying to say is that I should take on what Cohh has said because he’s played it and not what you are saying then we’re in agreement.No one is telling my what I should like or not, I am just trying to show people legit, constructive criticisms because lots of people seem to think only trolls and review bombers don't like the game which can't be further from the truth. That's all, if there is anything I hate it is generalization.
Game can not be in top tier with polarizing story like this, not really top tier, I was talking about GOAT tier or something before, top tier for me is tier below.You’ve said it won’t be seen alongside the top tier of games in the future despite having never played it.
You are following and watching story with your eyes, not your hands, so yeah, you can judge it without playing it. I don't understand how this concept is so hard to understand.if there's one thing I learnt from all my time playing games is that the best way to judge how good a game is is to watch all the cutscenes and not play the game.
I could be wrong here but I'm pretty sure that even when playing the game, you're not using your hands to follow the story.Game can not be in top tier with polarizing story like this, not really top tier, I was talking about GOAT tier or something before, top tier for me is tier below.
You are following and watching story with your eyes, not your hands, so yeah, you can judge it without playing it.
The tiers you put it in don’t matter, you haven’t played the game. It’s clear that you haven’t given it a fair chance if you haven’t even bothered to play the game.Game can not be in top tier with polarizing story like this, not really top tier, I was talking about GOAT tier or something before, top tier for me is tier below.
You are following and watching story with your eyes, not your hands, so yeah, you can judge it without playing it. I don't understand how this concept is so hard to understand.
But you're not though, are you. At least now in that post on this page about how many people dislike it and therefore it can't be "the best game ever" or whatever. There's nothing constructive about that. Compare that to someone like @padr81 who gave some very specific criticism while he was playing and whom several posters engaged with in a civil discussion about those points. That's legit criticism. You've been unable to provide that, unless you did it in one of your spoilered posts, in which case fair enough. But that particular post certainly wasn't it.I agree about atmosphere and the world, only thing I can't talk about is the actual gameplay.
No one is telling my what I should like or not, I am just trying to show people legit, constructive criticisms because lots of people seem to think only trolls and review bombers don't like the game which can't be further from the truth. That's all, if there is anything I hate it is generalization.
Nope, I watched full playthrough.
And like I said, I watched full playthrough, not only cutscenes. So this is pointless.I could be wrong here but I'm pretty sure that even when playing the game, you're not using your hands to follow the story.
As one of the other major critics I can honestly say gameplay seems more boring on the lets plays. I never thought I'd give this game a 7/10 based on LP's and videos I saw but when you play it you can see why people are drawn to it and even enjoy it. I'll finish it for morbid curiosity alone.And like I said, I watched full playthrough, not only cutscenes. So this is pointless.
Why would you even bother to watch the full 25 or 30 hour playthrough of a game you'd already said you wouldn't like after reading the leaks? What's the point?And like I said, I watched full playthrough, not only cutscenes. So this is pointless.
I work at home on the PC whole day, so having it on the side is not a big deal, so yeah, I wouldn't call that wasting hours.Why would you even bother to watch the full 25 or 30 hour playthrough of a game you'd already said you wouldn't like after reading the leaks? What's the point?
If I knew a film was going to be shit based on the story of it I wouldn't go waste 2 hours of my life watching it just to justify that I was right about it being crap, let alone 30 fecking hours
That's a tad harsh for me, from what I've played so far, but truth be told it's not far from the mark. It's Basically LOU remastered-remastered in gameplay terms.All that I heard about these games is - great story but pretty boring game. The kind of game that those who know little about what makes a great game go nuts for - all style and no substance.
You are following and watching story with your eyes, not your hands, so yeah, you can judge it without playing it. I don't understand how this concept is so hard to understand.