Not even close
Greenwood or Martinelli
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His finishing is already wc level. What do you want him to improve, his defending?
He's far from finishing article. I don't know why Arsenal fans are easily amazed by something. Finishing at wc level means need to do it in consistent basis of long run. Beside, his decision making & hold up play might be good but nowhere near WC level. He also needs to improve his heading ability, his main weakness.
You've watched RVP and I can't believe you can't see what makes RVP world class apart from his finishing alone, Greenwood still nowhere near that level at this stage. However, he's progressing very well & quickly.
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Goal keeping and coaching.
The two goals against Chelsea in that clip reflects this. First goal the defender tries to shepherd him to the outside and he scored with his left. The second one the defender tries to prevent him from shooting with his left, he promptly shifts the ball to his right foot and scores again.
Martinelli has 10 goals and has played alot less since the breakneck and neck
Greenwood 18 years - 15 goals
Other bloke 19 years - 3 goals
Greenwood 15 goals 41 appearances
Martinelli 10 goals 26 appearances
Is he injured?
Martinelli looks like a kid from my time during high school that never had friends and got bullied for reporting a homework to biology teacher. One day He got really mad for getting mocked constantly and started to report more and more homeworks to other teachers to make sure They never forget (He did all the homeworks), it pissed most of the students. And then one of my fustal buddies confronted "Martinelli" outside of school, but unfortunately despite being taller, was about to lost the fight, in a desperate attempt He threw a rock at an aquarium in somebody's garage and told the owner it was "Martinelli" who did it. The owner got livid and reported it to the headmaster. "Martinelli" was expelled for vandalism and killing gold fish. Now He works at an insurance company.
The true comparison would be goals per minutes
Martinelli a goal every 143 minutes in all comps. A goal or assist every 105 minutes.
Greenwood a goal every 132 minutes in all comps. A goal or assist every 99 minutes.
Pretty close. Both are great talents.
Martinelli won't ever be as good as Greenwood is right now and over the next 10 years he will play for a mid table Spanish club then probably in Turkey. Feel free to save that quote
Why even include the League Cup. It's a joke.
Greenwood looks the better player but I'm not going to shit on Arsenal's young prospect to prop up ours. We don't need to do that, you only need eyes to see how good Mason.
Arsenal have some good youngsters coming through. Saka and Martinelli look the best of them from what I've seen. I've heard good things about a young forward called Balogan too and of course they have young Saliba still to come back. If they can get 4 or 5 decent signings in I can see them getting back on track next season.
Arsenal have some good youngsters coming through. Saka and Martinelli look the best of them from what I've seen. I've heard good things about a young forward called Balogan too and of course they have young Saliba still to come back. If they can get 4 or 5 decent signings in I can see them getting back on track next season.
OK then
Martinelli a goal or assist every 128 minutes.
Greenwood a goal or assist every 99 minutes.
Hes only missed 2 games through injury?
Hmm.... where you getting that data from @Classical Mechanic
https://www.transfermarkt.com/gabriel-martinelli/profil/spieler/655488
@OL29 posted that neck and neck comment back in May, when there didn't seem to be that much between them. It's a bit weird and desperate to use Greenwood's recent form to criticise him for that post.
Although, it's not as desperate as counting Greenwood's goals in all competitions and only using Martinelli's PL goals to make Greenwood seem better
Although, it's not as desperate as counting Greenwood's goals in all competitions and only using Martinelli's PL goals to make Greenwood seem better
Yes , which is why don't apply that thought to Greenwood anymore.
It reminds me of time when people used to compare Rashford to Iheanacho.
Just the pure existence of this thread is criminal. Delete it and don't fool yourself. Mason is another level.
Just the pure existence of this thread is criminal. Delete it and don't fool yourself. Mason is another level.
This one isnt so bad because it was created when both were unknown. The real stinker is this
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/marcus-rashford-vs-tammy-abraham.450536/
This was created during Rashfords best ever season as well. Mind boggling
Not sure what you mean?
He was dropped before his injury so saying he played a lot less as an excuse doesn't really work.
He didn't come on even with the 5 sub rule in the first 2 games so its not as if he would suddenly be picked by Arteta over the next couple of games when their attack is actually clicking.
Not playing since the break shouldn't be used as a "Yeah but.." if anything it should be used as a plus for Mason that he actually played hinself into the team.
Greenwood minutes 2,138
Martinelli minutes 1,463
If you strip it down even further you find Greenwood has scored his goals in more prestigious competitions. If you take the league cup out of the equation then the difference is significantly bigger.
Martinelli goals per minute:
PL - 219 (3)
Europa - 141 (3)
Greenwood goals per minute:
PL - 115 (8)
Europa - 92 (5)
The 4 goals in 2 games in the League Cup make Martinelli's goal to minute ratio look better than it really is.
@OL29 posted that neck and neck comment back in May, when there didn't seem to be that much between them. It's a bit weird and desperate to use Greenwood's recent form to criticise him for that post.
Although, it's not as desperate as counting Greenwood's goals in all competitions and only using Martinelli's PL goals to make Greenwood seem better
Both are talented, it all depends on development and the effort they put in. Their careers are just starting.
Arsenal fans can take some comfort that they have some good talent in their club that they can build on.
Arsenal fans can take some comfort that they have some good talent in their club that they can build on.
wonderfulWhat do you mean excuse? I didnt say he played less due to injury. He played less so obviously will have less goals. I havent even said Martinelli is better I just dont get why people need to shit on him and act like he isnt a great talent.
When Martial or Rashford were not playing regularly under Jose that wasnt due to talent it was due to the management.
I dont know why Martinelli hasnt played much under Arteta but it certainly isnt for lack of talent
Finally, the statistics that matter. The difference is Greenwood scoring against better teams and with less minutes.
If we go further then we can see majority of Greenwood goals are from his brilliance.
The real comparison is Greenwood vs Saka who I think will be going toe to toe to be the best young player in the Premier League soon.
Aha
It's strange people are just judging Greenwood for his goals when in reality his game is more than just goals. For an 18 year old his ball control and decision making is magnificent. I rarely see him making stupid passes or losing the ball in dangerous areas. His work rate is phenomenal and you see greenwood helping AWB in defence too. He doesn't stick himself to the right but also moves to the left and centre while attacking. He may not look the quickest but his sudden acceleration with the ball is pretty amazing aka look at his second goal.
The boy is something else and barring any serious injury sky is the limit for him as Ole said.
The boy is something else and barring any serious injury sky is the limit for him as Ole said.
Saying Greenwood is better isnt shitting on Martinelli?
I just hate minutes to goal type nonsense. How many of these comparisons where the likes of Morata, Abrahams, Ihenacho etc have good goals to minutes ratios must there be until fans realise that its not a good way to judge a striker?
Theres good reasons why lesser players play less. Its not a sign of their goal scoring prowess.
Martinelli isnt even deemed the best young striker at his own club.
I swear this debate and others like it involving Utd and Arsenal are based on a certain demographic, and that demographic is people born in the mid to late 90s, growing up in the 00s... which is the time period when those two teams were the best and was probably the last legitimate rivalry where it felt like either side hated each other... so it’s a bunch of people who grew up in times when they were the best and hence why these specific debates are brought up.
Because in the current times, Utd and Arsenal really aren‘t in title races anymore and that’s the one thing that holds it together. London and Manchester are on opposite sides of the country. The days of legitimate football rivalry like Keane vs Vieira and Sir Alex vs Wenger have moved on. The media tried to force Jose vs Pep but it never happened.
Because in the current times, Utd and Arsenal really aren‘t in title races anymore and that’s the one thing that holds it together. London and Manchester are on opposite sides of the country. The days of legitimate football rivalry like Keane vs Vieira and Sir Alex vs Wenger have moved on. The media tried to force Jose vs Pep but it never happened.
Wasn't there a Rashford vs Mbappe one at one point? That one's probably the worst in fairness.
Look at people shitting on Rashford
Someone posted on here Martinelli had scored 3 goals and Greenwood 15. I simply corrected them and they did that to shit on Martinelli.
Thanks, wasn’t going to bother replying to that weird post, I think @Regulus Arcturus Black is too invested in this debate.@OL29 posted that neck and neck comment back in May, when there didn't seem to be that much between them. It's a bit weird and desperate to use Greenwood's recent form to criticise him for that post.
Although, it's not as desperate as counting Greenwood's goals in all competitions and only using Martinelli's PL goals to make Greenwood seem better
The Januzaj v Gnabry thread also hasn't aged well.