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Manchester City banned from CL for 2 seasons and fined 30 million euros | CAS - Ban lifted, fined 10 million
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
No. You are not getting it. If UEFA had a credible and strong case, City would have cooperated. Do you think CAS will have said 'well City didn't cooperate, therefore there are no documents to look at, so we're gonna have to find City innocent'.
No, and quite clearly they conclude 'MANCHESTER CITY FC DID NOT DISGUISE EQUITY FUNDING AS SPONSORSHIP CONTRIBUTIONS' i.e. a central charge of UEFA is dismissed. They would not make that conclusion unless they were provided with evidence to the contrary. What will have happened is City will have provided, at CAS, the relevant evidence. CAS will look at that, and make a judgement. They sided with City. Not UEFA. City did not cooperate with UEFA as they did not believe in the legitimacy and the impartiality of the process, and decided to take a risk and put all their eggs in the CAS basket. The idea City didn't cooperate with UEFA then, what, didn't cooperate with their own appeal at CAS? And won?? Come on, that's ridiculous.
I mean realistically it was a statement of intent to UEFA — we will fight this hard and ugly. But it's fun to suggest/pretend it was because they knew they had CAS in hand.
wow. not pulling any punches
A wage cap would fix a multitude of these issues FFP doesn't fix.
I now look forward to City leading the hunt for the real killers, just as OJ Simpson did on numerous golf courses.
Fecking hell, sticking the boot in. This is to be expected though, it means any Spanish or German club can't compete with English and French clubs ever.
Then City would just pay them off books.
There, you got your wish. Thanks for the jinx, mate.
How can we compete with the sugar-daddy clubs now anyway? City just gave everyone a big statement that their money can buy anything. Even FFP bows down to their huge mountain of money.
They do that already anyway.
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Oh this gets even better Javier Tebas is angry. He should worry more about his national teams dodgy blood bags and WC win if he cares so much about cheats.
They do that already anyway. City's players stated salary is half what they actually earn
The players would need to declare tax though wouldn’t they? Paying them off the books doesn’t work like that. It’s way more illegal what city just did.
You're not surprised are you? He's one of the biggest gobshites going.
Proof?
They're paid in the form of bonuses and assets, all offshore in the UAE. Wouldn't be surprised if they all have accounts over there where cash is steadily paid in to.
CAS: City obstructed UEFA's evidence gathering.
Also CAS: Sorry UEFA, you haven't gathered enough evidence.
Also CAS: Sorry UEFA, you haven't gathered enough evidence.
"We didn't show the cops the bodies, your honor. We think they would are biased against us and would have charged us on counts of murder. We saved them for you, instead. Here are the dead bodies, and the knives we stabbed them with."
From the leaks? Have you not seen? Pep's been getting back handers for years. Here's one for you:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...bu-dhabi-money-second-contract-sheikh-mansour
That's what I'm saying - HOW can UEFA build a credible/strong case IF City dont' cooperate... they would need full access to City's documents/financials to do that which obviously City didn't share, so any case could only be built on whatever info they could get their hands on... and it'll be the same for any club going forward.
That's the headline and yet the statement itself says - "The CAS award emphasized that most of the alleged breaches reported by the Adjudicatory Chamber of the CFCB were either not established or time-barred" so either they're just really crap at wording these statements or that suggests that some of the breaches did happen but either happened too long ago or couldn't be proven. I guess we'll know more when the full findings are published.
Also City cooperating with CAS and cooperating with UEFA are obviously too very different things.
Dude Roberto earned that money. He advised those guys over Skype at least once.
Seriously though while we're guilty as sin, there is no way players are being paid twice.
Can you please show me where your bolded quote comes from?
Yes, City went to CAS and said 'oh, we did do what UEFA said we did, but we wanted you to look at it because we don't trust them. Please oh please find us innocent'. And CAS did just that."We didn't show the cops the bodies, your honor. We think they would are biased against us and would have charged us on counts of murder. We saved them for you, instead. Here are the dead bodies, and the knives we stabbed them with."
Are people this blinded by partisanship? Really?
If a player is employed by an English club, would they not still have to pay tax on bonuses etc. Having money paid in to offshore accounts would get a lot of people very angry and I can’t see this being a viable option. It happened with Messi, Ronaldo and they were looking at some real jail time. I just don’t think clubs will want that hassle when there are actual prosecutors getting involved and it becomes a big scandal. Risk vs reward would just not be worth it.
It's the headline from CAS' Press Release.
https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Media_Release_6785_Decision.pdf
The statement then goes on to not repeat anything remotely like that. It's a very odd statement.
Proof?
It's literally in the headline of the CAS verdict. Go read it.
Or they are stating the alleged breaches they looked at didnt happen (which was most) but they didnt look at some for being time barred.
I think honestly UEFA couldn't back up those emails properly. It was almost impossible to do without getting through the books of Etihad and aabar.
That 80m shoelace deal with Glazer Shoes Co. looks in jeopardy now.
Congratz to your cook by the way.
Yeah could be, we won't know until its all published I guess.
UEFA clearly couldn't back up what they had and fudged it all together. A proper shit show from them.
So basically any decision that states City broke the rules proves City are bent and any decision that says UEFA got it wrong proves..............City are bent.
Didnt you just find out today it's up to the party making the allegations to prove. I'll do your logic, united players are being paid twice, once off the book. Except Luke shaw he gets paid once but only his weight in sausages. it's easy to throw around accusations,but you have to back them up.
If UEFA punished City for breaching FFP regulations, after their own rules stated that the statute of limitations had expired for those breaches, then they are even more incompetent than I suspected. It does not matter if City's breaches were the most egregious ever uncovered in the history of FFP (which they may well have been), if the window of opportunity for you to actually do anything about it, has passed.
Of course City won their appeal - they had no case to answer. UEFA are idiots.
Of course City won their appeal - they had no case to answer. UEFA are idiots.
Thanks for the response.
I don't find that, however, grounds to conclude that that statement is justified.
Though the title suggests what you say, in legal terms, it appears to have been composed by a child.
Anyone who can add 1+1 know City got away with it, not the first fine for this sort of thing.
As usual in fairness, I'd love to know their win ratio at CAS.
If UEFA got it wrong then why the fine of 10m?
The guy literally shown you proof city do this though!
