Staying confident we will still get Sancho, Grealish/VDB & CB
Most important summer window in years (100-150m budget)
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That kind of deal would definitely be next summer but still don't see him leaving Atletico
I hope we continue to build on last year's transfer window and do similar business this year. Quality ahead of quantity. I'd be perfectly happy with two proven quality players + a youngster.
That would be an amazing summer for sure.
Yes he is! We need to rotate, and that’s what Ole wants to do!!! That’s the key to bring in the points!!!
What's all of this talk of selling Lingard? A goal in just 13 minutes on the pitch today. He's back!
If he can keep that ratio going next season, he'll be on for over 250 goals in the league.
If he can keep that ratio going next season, he'll be on for over 250 goals in the league.
Going by Ole we need few signings to address lack of depth. We rested few players for Europa, which won't be the case in CL.
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Expect the tier 1's like Romano, Peach & Stone to keep quiet on this until it's done
I think we'd easily get £20-25m for Lingard. England international, 27 years old, inexplicably poor previous season obviously, but can be an asset when confident and playing well. Is an Everton/Newcastle/West Ham sort of signing.
Smalling (if he goes) will be around £20m. Jones around £10m. Dalot I think we'll get back what we paid for him ~£20m, seems to still be rated by other clubs. Rojo, I dunno, maybe £7-10m or so. Pereira someone will cough up £10-15m I reckon.
Nobody is paying for Sanchez or Mata, the best we can hope for is for someone to get them with no fee.
We should be generating around £50m through sales which can help with another CB (we'll need one if we lose Smalling, Jones, Rojo all in one window).
More than £89M in these circumstances? Do we have any better alternatives ?
Won't need to think about alternatives when this is all part of playing the long game
Expect the tier 1's like Romano, Peach & Stone to keep quiet on this until it's done
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They're probably only briefed from the English side of the transfer. Could be that Dortmund is briefing Bild to try and look strong.
We could promote a few more players from academy + go down the Ighalo route of getting some inexpensive experienced backups for the bench. Ideally we should have a squad of 22 capable players. We are about 4 short of that, especially up front and at the back. Midfield is pretty stacked with Bruno, Pogba, Fred, McTominay and Matic.
Mate - what I think about Jose is completely irrelevant to this thread. Why dont you get it ? What happened to Jose or Ed during that window is not the concern. We had a big opportunity to strengthen when we had CL but we chose not to do and thats purely on Ed. If he didnt trust Jose he shouldn't have allowed him to continue.
Same applies this window as well - if he don't trust Ole, he should fire him and appoint someone who he trusts. If he trusts, they should invest heavily and fill the gaps. We just cannot afford to miss an opportunity .
Heard Sancho had few disciplinary incidents at Dortnund, Hope they wont be serious as I dont like to bring in some one with attitude issues into our current group of good players.
The best part of Bruno was not only his talent but the way he brought back smile on Martial's face, We cant expect that from every signing but hope the new ones wont break our flow with any dressing room issues.
The best part of Bruno was not only his talent but the way he brought back smile on Martial's face, We cant expect that from every signing but hope the new ones wont break our flow with any dressing room issues.
I can see us only getting a couple of players with the likely high price for Sancho. Sancho and a CB most likely for me with the other positions looked at next year.
We're not going to get 4-5 players in one window.
We're not going to get 4-5 players in one window.
Not sure about that, Ole was reluctant to play McTominay, Fred for last few mins vs West Ham, can he trust them against teams in CL? We need to invest smartly this summer, Sancho is a must, apart from that there will be few good players who will be available for decent price.
Yes, Ferran Torres, 20, Valencia Estimated cost: £40-50m
If United are hesitant to spend nine figures on the surefire Sancho, Torres for approximately half the fee (his contract ends in 2021) is the next best option.
Seems he is going to citi.
I don’t think we need much more than that anyway. Maybe a back up right back as well. Just getting rid of the likes of Lingard and Jones would be a bonus. How is Phil Jones still at the club.
Nice post, and I can see the picture. RW has a clear objective and having the CL will facilitate the discussion. The CB, CM or even LB are really going to be key to create rotation. I wouldn't be surprised to see more young players being promoted also, that's how we are going to do it. But we need senior players who can improve the team to get into a successful phase 2, and test ourselves within the CL. Need to do better than 3rd in the PL too. That's going to be a challenge currently.
How many of you would actually sacrifice Sancho for other key signings?
I mean if we have 150m , it's quite big. But when you consider you have to spend 100m on Sancho then we are back to square one again.
I think we can make great strides if we sacrifice Sancho
Thiago - 35m
Kabak/Konate /CB- 35-40m
Replacement for Matic - 50m
Left back - 25-30m
Can we get some bosmans or cheap options for right ?
I mean if we have 150m , it's quite big. But when you consider you have to spend 100m on Sancho then we are back to square one again.
I think we can make great strides if we sacrifice Sancho
Thiago - 35m
Kabak/Konate /CB- 35-40m
Replacement for Matic - 50m
Left back - 25-30m
Can we get some bosmans or cheap options for right ?
Expect the tier 1's like Romano, Peach & Stone to keep quiet on this until it's done
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Romano already said the news will be "soon".
We better call Saul to know for sure.
We can snatch him from City. If we get him, we won't derail our entire transfer funds on a single player and we can still strengthen other areas.
Mate, if it's so irrelevant then stop talking about it, he was given enough money to improve the squad but he wasted them. Don't know how you are still arguing about it.
When you are on project, there is some limit for the budget. Use it wisely on the right players, showing improvement in the squad & progress of the team. So far, Ole is still on check marks for all these means he's on the right track for the project.
Scott can learn, I think there was an analysis from Paul Kwestel that shows that Scott has a problem currently doing what Matic does, which is to understand when to split the CBs and push the FBs up, when to do a forward pass (not too early, not too late) and was playing safe a lot. He had a reminder, and as a result, for 20mn against CP, we did well, and we ended up scoring, but then reverted back and Matic was on. Scott needs to learn quickly because his other qualities, including the physical and mental strength are going to be useful against big teams.
Fred seems to be faster on that. He's not creative enough but he understands his role better and he performed better when he replaced Matic. I think we will try to shape Scott a bit more, we are more looking for external creative players to rotate with Bruno and Pogba in the midfield, which is fair, that's the hardest. The role Matic plays is some sort of 6 skillfull on the ball who can handle a challenge: that's easier to train in my opinion.
You couldn't resist...We better call Saul to know for sure.
Sancho + Konate would do for me this summer. Not sold on Grealish and Villa would want the moon for him anyway, and at that price we may as well try to hijack Havertz, which won’t happen.
The situation with DDG is worrying but bringing Henderson back isn’t the answer yet. The latter still need a year of two playing regular PL football to keep on developing. I’d also like to see if Fred/Mctominay can be a replacement for Matic, or if Ole can devise a system to incorporate either one of them into the midfield with Pogba and Bruno, before buying a DM.
Next season should be all about consolidating our place in the top 4, incorporating the new signings and testing the limits of our players, especially our young attackers, in a 50 games campaign, and clearing out more deadwoods. Too many signings in at once can be detrimental to squad harmony and development. 80+ pts in the league and making the CL knock out and a domestic cup or two would be ideal.
The situation with DDG is worrying but bringing Henderson back isn’t the answer yet. The latter still need a year of two playing regular PL football to keep on developing. I’d also like to see if Fred/Mctominay can be a replacement for Matic, or if Ole can devise a system to incorporate either one of them into the midfield with Pogba and Bruno, before buying a DM.
Next season should be all about consolidating our place in the top 4, incorporating the new signings and testing the limits of our players, especially our young attackers, in a 50 games campaign, and clearing out more deadwoods. Too many signings in at once can be detrimental to squad harmony and development. 80+ pts in the league and making the CL knock out and a domestic cup or two would be ideal.
My question would be is the £100-150m including money we generate from selling players?
Smalling - £20m
Rojo - £10m
Jones - £15m
Andreas - £10m
Lingard - £20m
Sanchez - £20m
I was originally hopeful that we could offload these six in the Summer and sign 3-4 players, but it's looking somewhat unlikely that we can get rid of them all. For example, if we sold three CB's we have to buy one minimum. So, that would mean if the limit was three signings, if Sancho is one then we're only getting one more player when people are debating whether it should be an Attacking Midfielder, Defensive Midfielder, or Full Back. There's even talk of Dalot going and he definitely looks out of favour when he can't get a game during a time when we had injuries to both Shaw & Williams, he'd rather bring back Fosu-Mensah whom I'm sure we all thought was done here?
Lingard has seemed to have a slight resurgence, so perhaps he is going to be trusted for yet another season along with Mata as the back-up to the no.10 role? Lingard is a tough one as being on £100k a week means there's very limited places for him to go without taking a wage cut. I'll say fair play to the guy because if I were him I'd rather be a bit-part player for another year to run down that contract and make £5million before tax. But I still think we have to get rid of the other five and raise roughly an extra £80m~? I'll say it now though, if we did raise £80m through player sales we will not spend £200m+ overall even though we probably should (if it's financially possible to do so, we'll never know the full truth).
The club will want to try and keep a squad of near 25 players classed as first-team squad. From the players that mattered (were first-team squad), we've managed to let go of eight and sign five (including Ighalo). You obviously can't keep selling three more than you buy, but we might get away with doing that for one more year as the squad still needs pruning. But from that point on it would have to be more like two in, two out as it seemed to feel like in the past.
Smalling - £20m
Rojo - £10m
Jones - £15m
Andreas - £10m
Lingard - £20m
Sanchez - £20m
I was originally hopeful that we could offload these six in the Summer and sign 3-4 players, but it's looking somewhat unlikely that we can get rid of them all. For example, if we sold three CB's we have to buy one minimum. So, that would mean if the limit was three signings, if Sancho is one then we're only getting one more player when people are debating whether it should be an Attacking Midfielder, Defensive Midfielder, or Full Back. There's even talk of Dalot going and he definitely looks out of favour when he can't get a game during a time when we had injuries to both Shaw & Williams, he'd rather bring back Fosu-Mensah whom I'm sure we all thought was done here?
Lingard has seemed to have a slight resurgence, so perhaps he is going to be trusted for yet another season along with Mata as the back-up to the no.10 role? Lingard is a tough one as being on £100k a week means there's very limited places for him to go without taking a wage cut. I'll say fair play to the guy because if I were him I'd rather be a bit-part player for another year to run down that contract and make £5million before tax. But I still think we have to get rid of the other five and raise roughly an extra £80m~? I'll say it now though, if we did raise £80m through player sales we will not spend £200m+ overall even though we probably should (if it's financially possible to do so, we'll never know the full truth).
The club will want to try and keep a squad of near 25 players classed as first-team squad. From the players that mattered (were first-team squad), we've managed to let go of eight and sign five (including Ighalo). You obviously can't keep selling three more than you buy, but we might get away with doing that for one more year as the squad still needs pruning. But from that point on it would have to be more like two in, two out as it seemed to feel like in the past.
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- Sancho £80m
Or Maximin £50m
- Buendia for £20m like Wjnaldum to pool, gives us a quality midfield rotation option for depth
- A quality full back backup for £30m that can challenge for the starting spot
- A good DM that can pass for £50m (no idea who)
Though we already have Fred and Mctominay who barely get games in the DM position. I think CB is fine, our current two don't seem to get injured much and we have about 50 backups.
Or Maximin £50m
- Buendia for £20m like Wjnaldum to pool, gives us a quality midfield rotation option for depth
- A quality full back backup for £30m that can challenge for the starting spot
- A good DM that can pass for £50m (no idea who)
Though we already have Fred and Mctominay who barely get games in the DM position. I think CB is fine, our current two don't seem to get injured much and we have about 50 backups.
Feel very confident that Grealish is top AM target,however if we are priced out expect the VDB deal to happen
Its all guesswork at the end of the day, but I certainly am not confident of getting Sancho & Grealish this window. I think we were all hoping and imagining that clubs would be having a firesale this summer to balance the COVID books, but so far we haven't see any real indications that support this. Maybe we will, maybe we wont.
When it comes to these two players they have one thing in common. Both are the crown jewels, or golden goose or whatever you want to call it, for their clubs. Neither of those clubs want to sell them and neither are going to give them up easily.
My personal estimate is that, best case, we will end up signing Sancho for something like £75m + a lot of add-ons, but only if the player starts to push for this move. Otherwise its £100m give or take. No problem for me - he is worth it and he'll improve the team and give us something different. He ticks all the boxes.
Grealish on the other hand? He won't improve the team. He gives us great squad depth but ultimately he is fighting Fernandes and Rashford for starting spots. Villa are going to want huge money for a player that isn't even an international yet, and he has a questionable character (off the field, not on it). He's worth £35m and they will want double that. I just don't see it. If Villa start buying players early then its a big sign that a deal is agreed with someone, but it won't be us.
Wow - that's now a new level. So I am the one who is talking about irrelevant things? This is your 6th continous post mentioning Jose on a thread that's completely irrelevant to him.
Sorry to say this mate, you can continue on this. I am not going to respond unless there is any scope for constructive argument. Thanks!
If the figure thrown arround is 150mil, that is not much for what we do need... We can also expect to free some funds by selling some of the clearly unwanted players: Sanchez, Smalling, Rojo, Jones, Lingard, Pereira, for which we could fork out at least another 80mil
Main positions to reinforce:
RW: Sancho (Nº 1 target); Coman,
MF: Dream signing Alaba, if not someone like Zakaria, Bennacer, young MF that can soon take over and improve upon Matic
DF: Dream signing Koulibaly, if not someone like Upamecano, Gabriel that can compete and improve soon enough
Secondary positions:
LB: not much out there for the taking but proper competition and back up for Shaw
AM: We got Bruno and also Mata for the time beign, so someone who can be back up to Bruno but also bring quality and spark
Main positions to reinforce:
RW: Sancho (Nº 1 target); Coman,
MF: Dream signing Alaba, if not someone like Zakaria, Bennacer, young MF that can soon take over and improve upon Matic
DF: Dream signing Koulibaly, if not someone like Upamecano, Gabriel that can compete and improve soon enough
Secondary positions:
LB: not much out there for the taking but proper competition and back up for Shaw
AM: We got Bruno and also Mata for the time beign, so someone who can be back up to Bruno but also bring quality and spark
Sancho, a left back, and a replacement for Matic (who as good as he has been in the last stage of the season, should be phased out slowly now given his age - he'll be a cracking option off the bench though).
Let me tell you a story. One fine day a small team called Perugia bought a Japanese player from Bellmare Hiratsuka called Hidetoshi Nakata. What happened after that was something beyond anyone's dreams. This small club found themselves overwhelmed with Asian supporters who joined the club's fan base the moment the club signed him. Perugia's games were shown live in Japan on a week in week out basis, their shirts sold throughout the entire Japan and Japanese journalists would track the team's progression week in week out. Once he moved to Roma all that fandom vanished overnight.
Lingard is nowhere near as popular as Nakata and United is not Perugia, however its undeniable that Jesse has got a huge social media following from teenagers who absolutely love him. I met Lingard once when the youth academy came to play in Malta a few years back and I assure you that his popularity has nothing to do with football. At the beginning of the training session everyone one was obsessed with meeting Pogba whom Sir Alex portrayed as the best thing ever happened to football since sliced bread. However by the end of it, the young generation had only eyes set on Lingard. The reason being that the guy knows how to connect with the young generation. While the other kids were busy focusing on their football, Lingard would wave at the teenagers whenever they chanted his name and he would run and celebrate at their corner whenever he scored a goal. It was like seeing Hulk Hogan in action. That's quite important as old farts like myself who can't be bothered spending money on United's merchandise are more likely to put their hands in their pockets if their kid asks them to. First of all because they love to see their kids happy and involved in their own hobby but more importantly because the closer they get to Manchester United the further away they will go from the Scouse inbreds we all fear they will one day support. Which explains why a player of such little talent is able to be so involved in our marketing campaign and why Lingard is worth far more money then what his talent suggest.
You are the one who said it's irrelevant not me, can you not read? I was just reminding you if it's irrelevant then stop mentioning it. Once again you are only reading what I wrote without understanding it.
Oh please. Stop making lame excuse if you can't counter it. I just told you that when you are on project, there is some limit for the budget means it's very important that we have to use this budget wisely every transfer window including this summer which clearly relevant to this thread.
Sancho & Grealish, then raise some additional funds by selling flood of useless players in our squad and go for the third one.
Use United's huge scout base as we don't have to sign every player for 50m plus. There should be good bargains on the market like Ziyech, but we simply have to do our research.
Use United's huge scout base as we don't have to sign every player for 50m plus. There should be good bargains on the market like Ziyech, but we simply have to do our research.