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I wonder finally what make this deal off.......is it matter of 10-15m in final offer, or installment
I wonder finally what make this deal off.......is it matter of 10-15m in final offer, or installment
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Haha so basically you got it wrong
Right,this is clearly off.
To the Sean McConville transfer thread !
To the Sean McConville transfer thread !
there might have been a small pandemic that changed a few things, you know.
Poor Woodward
Honestly, the smart recourse is to tell Sancho thst signing the contract was a stupid move and has made negotiation impossible and make it clear to him that we will be first in the queue for him when he is able to move.
If hes happy to stay then stay. Nothing about this transfer is screaming attainable to me.
I don't think some of the posters in here are grasping what Sancho threatens to become if he maintains, or ups, his level of performance. He can't be a world star or move into the next tier without 'doing it' at a major or the very highest levels of the CL, both of which haven't been available to him yet, but when/if he does, he legitimately moves into a category where the most profitable players on the planet reside. This is actually to our benefit at the moment because, and fairly so, his output in Die Bundesliga is weighted against the kind of league it is and thus, there is room for reservation and skepticism with him that wouldn't exist with someone like Mbappe (due to his performances for Monaco in the Champions League and his World Cup). As I said in my first post, there being no Euros this summer has actually been beneficial to us as a buyer because if he had have taken that by storm, his value would have risen.
I'll reiterate that Sancho is an appreciating asset because the likelihood of him repeating his performance level and output is more of a given than not - otherwise he wouldn't be touted and regarded as he is in the first place. If you think the money being bandied about for him this summer is the ceiling of what he could go for if he continues his current trajectory, you're not paying attention to how some players go from stars to superstars to bona fide, indisputable top tier.
The way you're talking about the player, one would think he's fluking his run to being legitimately regarded as one of the best wing-forwards/attackers on the planet - someone we should simply walk away from, despite this bracket of player being so rare, even moreso to want to come to us over the usual suspects. Players with legitimate Ballon d'Or/WPOTY potential are few and far between in the Premier League, let alone at United - you can make a case for: De Bruyne, Pogba (arguable) and Mane once Messi, Ronaldo and Lewandowski are done contesting with a handful of others across Europe. Sancho is someone most believe would be a dead cert to be up there at that level categorisation soon enough, myself included. The notion of walking away from talent at that level is absurd, particularly when doing so from a position of weakness.
Your second bolded is a no-brainer for any club to try their luck first and foremost, but there comes a time where you get a measure of who you're dealing with and act accordingly - the suggestion we can strong-arm or act up when they are the ones with the appreciating asset who will, most likely, court more attention exponentially, is, well, putting it simply, makes no sense.
If you're not an actuary, what is the point in your third bolded? Do you think the major stars will be moving for a lot less than their market value due to Covid? Will the elite players stay where they are, or will their clubs sell them off for less than they should because of Covid? Do you think the money men on either side of the coin value these players less because of the crisis? That a Mbappe or Neymar are now worth £20m+ less? It's all well and good painting only doom regarding the pandemic, but there are pariahs all over the place making the deals of their lives because of it, and getting Sancho at less than what he would have been worth if the normal season had reached its organic end - with him potentially making a name for himself at the Euros - would make us one of them. Perhaps you see the if's and but's as wild conjecture, but to me, that takes a sizeable leap in logic to do as Sancho's trajectory has been steady and upward for a long time (literal years now) and has shown no sign of flattening out - if you read his thread itself, the fees being mentioned in there were already extraordinary before he saw out the season just gone. It's strange to me that people sincerely believe you can get cut price deals on the very best players when their clubs are sitting on assets that it's in their own best interests to let grow and rise to the boil. Tell you what, go into an elite establishment, say you want to buy one of their best items, then tell them you need 20% off because Covid has made times hard. Where do you think that'll get you?
Given the thinness of our squad, there aren't many 9-figure players out there it would make sense for United to buy, but Sancho's performances, ability, potential, position, versatility, profile and age comfortably thrust him into that category. You say you have an issue with the fee being mentioned due to Covid seemingly unaware if the virus hadn't struck, we'd be talking about more for the player. This is the knockdown fee!
I don't think United have any qualms with paying the 'bargain' price for the player, but structure and having to pay too much in one go, could understandably be the sticking point. I do believe the talks are over up front costs and incentives, myself. Dortmund want what they would have got in a non-Covid world and are trying to do so via 'achievables', would be my take on all this, most definitely not United looking at the 120m Euros and thinking it's too rich for their blood.
Unless Sancho hands in a transfer request or United submit whatever Dortmund want, you can consider this to be off.
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I thought previously they said no talks!
It is hard to know without the benefit of hindsight what will happen. If the stadiums will be empty for the entire year and another lockdown happens which breaks the season again, the clubs are gonna suffer financially even more which will make things hard next season too. But the fact that he has 3 years on his contract (that none of the false prophets knew) gives BVB a very good leverage.
Dembele had to shake the house to be freed from Zorc’s grasp. Wonder if Sancho is willing to do the same
Potentially, I know everyone keeps going on about how great Dortmund are for young players, however players must look at these situations and wonder if they’re right for them? If it takes a player to have a huge outburst for Dortmund to accept a big money offer for them then you’d absolutely think about it. Smart of Haaland to get the release clause.
And Romano getting a feckin KEY piece of information wrong (Sancho’s contract) is just swept under the rug for you I guess fella?
Dortmund spokespersons have gotten a worse track record on their own players than Romano. He said they "plan on having Sancho". Very clever wording, but even if he said "Sancho will not be sold", Auba and Dembele are proof to his words being bollocks.
Of course he knows the minute by minute updates on the negotiations but they didn’t bother to tell him the length of the contract he’s currently in?? Laughable.
c’mon give it up. My neighbour knows as much as Romano, I told you earlier
Dollars isn't it? It's an apt price.
Its obvious they're not ITKs. They just are in a position of being able to speak to agents and repeat what they've been told.
Sounds like the guy who offers the asking price on a house then thinks he might've got it cheaper when he gets a very quick 'It's a deal!' from the seller.
What? I am so shocked that Zorc doesn’t give free information to third tier journos on their mid twenties about deals that are in hundreds of dollars.
Thats nice diplomatic answer.
He loves a chat.
I hope we’d have enough sense to walk away if he has a Lingard season.
Clearly ON!
Seems to enjoy putting on a show and acting a big man. Will make it even sweeter if we land the player.
Pretty sure it was said without any thought of a global pandemic hitting
He's fecked up there, basically saying we have been in talks when they were saying there's been no contact. Proven lie already!
Agreed. They can pretty much throw anything at the wall and then use “Woodward lol” if it doesn’t stick. By the way, I thought Woodward wasn’t involved in negotiations and it was Matt Judge in charge of such matters?
Before the pandemic, in Feb we had a clear run at Sancho and this was common knowledge, that was after the previous summer it was said we need to get him then because there would be more competition.
I think its obvious what was said last summer, Sancho wants to play for United.
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this guy has 1 million followers and apparently few of them seem to care, that he & 99% of all twitter sport journos are just a bullshit merchant. Incredible.
whos the igahlo equivalent of Sancho then?
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Pretty sure Dortmund maintained for much of the Mkhitaryan 'saga' (if you want to call it that) that he wasn't for sale. They will cave if they get their money, this arbitrary deadline is designed only to ramp up the pressure on United.
I think the fact that most of the British press are consistent in saying that a deal can still be done says it all.
I think the fact that most of the British press are consistent in saying that a deal can still be done says it all.
I guess if Sancho realy wanted to play for our club and had his heart set on it...he would do what it would take to get things moving along...but if he aint that desperate and is not too bothered if it happens or not...then its probably best if we don't sign him.
Obviously i hope it happens because hes a class player in a position we need strengthening in...but it has to be for right reasons.
We dont want another player joining for the money or the fame etc do we...just my 2 cents anyway...
Obviously i hope it happens because hes a class player in a position we need strengthening in...but it has to be for right reasons.
We dont want another player joining for the money or the fame etc do we...just my 2 cents anyway...
Because anything he says outside of 120 million, deadline, or we plan with Sancho weakens his bargaining position.
It was fun. On to Grealish
But the ITKs at Muppet Tears took my £5 Patreon subscription and said it was a done deal...
I am still insanely relaxed. It's a done deal.
The mental capacity of that post is lacking as buying clubs look at past deals to guage how much they should pay, especially those that did not work out.What? You think a precedent is only valid if a transfer goes “according to plan”?
Sancho is an England international so your point about international caps is also moot.
United is not getting Sancho for £70M. Clermontois on Redcafe.net thinking that’s a fair valuation won’t change the fact the selling club thinks otherwise, and with many reasons as to why.
Sancho is hardly an international at 8 or 9 caps so again 100mil is far too much for him, great talent yes but we should not overpay.
Funny tagging like that when you are on the same redcafe peddling your views but open your mind mate and understand if the eventual transfer fee was only down to the selling club then Sancho would have to be the only RW in the world and our club's finance department full of negotiation novices like yourself.
‘To clarify my original’ post.
It’s approx £100m or $130m.
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