United need to wake the feck up here. At least give Ole a chance at succeeding ffs.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Ha, I was thinking that straight after posting!
I don't think he was a baddy either. I think they pulled a Star Wars and he ended up being Buzz's dad!
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I don't know how you want to interpret this.
good post. i'm no glazer apologist but it always struck me as lazy and both misinformed and fact free to keep bandying about that bromide that they are leeches who are the least bit interested in letting us spend money. It goes back to the fergie value days when everyone and their dog had convinced themselves that Fergie wasn't spending any of the 'Ronaldo money' because of the PIK loans the Glazers had taken out and he is lying to protect the owners and keep his job. Never mind that he never did that and had no reason to at that time either. Well guess what, they ended up paying that off out of their own pocket and Fergie reiterated his 'no value' stance in his book that he didn't feel comfortable spending the newly inflated transfer fees by the time he was retiring or that agents now had to be paid substantial commissions as in the case of Hazard. This also came to the fore when people were calling Ole a PE teacher who was out of his depth and was obviously going to be loyal to the 'leeches' because it's his dream job instead of trying to get us challenging by spending money on the next new flavor of the moment to placate the hordes on here.
woodward has his flaws but doing what he did with Mourinho for me certainly shows he has balls, in refusing to sanction every player he wanted and selling the likes of Martial or giving him a new CB everytime he wanted one. It doesn't really matter that we signed maguire a year later because a year is still a long time, enough to know that you can't rely on your existing injury prone options or that you need someone better. If we are playing a game of waiting to see who blinks first in this whole transfer saga with Sancho i can't really argue against that considering the general financial climate with the pre covid status quo not really looking like it is going to materialise anytime soon and having to write off match day revenues. We don't need to pay 120mn pounds just because Dortmund are playing hardball.
Anyway. What's the common trait of Liverpool won the League with record breaking points, and PSG, Lyon, Bayern, and Barcelona in CL semifinal?
They all don't have Sancho.
So missing out on him is supposedly not a big deal to be a top team.
They all don't have Sancho.
So missing out on him is supposedly not a big deal to be a top team.
Is this one of those muppetier in-jokes that's whooshed over my head?
And you’re wrong, thats not what he is saying. He was saying he did not renew this summer which was the rumours flying around after Zorc was miss quoted. He then confirmed what Zorc actually said. Yet you still missquote Zorc
I'd be shocked if he still came. The price is very high and we don't have much of the budget left if we sign him.
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This is a flawed analysis of the Lukaku transfer imo. He was signed on a 5 year contract for 75 million (with 15 mill in add-ons, and based on his performances I’m assuming most of those add-ons were never realised). That 75 mill amortised over 5 years would leave a residual value of 45 mill on the books after 2 years at the club, which is when he was sold for say 70 (unsure of the exact price). So technically we gained 25 million from the deal.
A lot of the other facts and figures mentioned in that post also seem to be based on pure conjecture.
It was a typo. I meant we are not subsidizing any wages.
United fans are pissed off because
a- we hire an army of scouts only for us to go for the common sense signing that is often ridiculously expensive. Do we need so many scouts to unearth AWB, Sancho, Maguire, Bruno Fernandes, Lukaku and Sanchez?
b- most transfer negotiations we engage in end up like a third rated telenovela like Jane the virgin.
c- we seem unable to negotiate and sign more then 1 player at a time
d- despite clearly struggling to sign players we refuse to sign a DOF. We've been in search of one for the past 2 years
e- we handle ridiculous contract extensions to players that no one wants (ex Jones) and we constantly give huge salaries to players (ex Sanchez).
Dortmund would take us more seriously if we suddenly place a 60m bid on Chiesa and another 40m + Smalling bid for Zaniolo. But no, we keep knocking at their door, begging for them to accept a fee on our terms.
Serie A wages are always reported after tax, GdS publishes all player wages and it's very good for that info
Maybe he could look at a top player from Portugal perhaps...
Do your maths ,over 8 years I don't post a lot and have a life away from the internetWhy are you still in the newbies since 2012 and 2500 posts?
Yeah but we don't have their players so need to sign others.
Bruno Fernandes had been scouted for months. Every man and his dog knew how ridiculously good he was. Yet we only signed him in January and we need to thank the gods that he hadn't moved to Spurs beforehand. That's because Ole thought that it was more important signing two good but hardly world class English defenders who are nowhere near to WC and a Welsh winger that can run alot.
Bruno is the first WC player ole signed and he was the one who saved Ole's career with us.
We need more Bruno like signings as British talent is often too expensive
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But now you've changed what you are arguing. You said he needs to look beyond the UK for players and I indicated with my post that he already has. Your childish complaint now is that it wasn't soon enough.
How do you know that he wasn't pushing for Bruno on the summer and Sporting didn't want to do a deal? You don't know is the answer, none of us do, we can only speculate
Have we really started the Brexit FC myth again? 
poor desperately depressed muppets.
poor desperately depressed muppets.1 player out of 4 (or 5 if we add Sancho in the equation). It reminds me of those 70s TV series we're they would add this person from an ethnic minority in a sea of white people to give the impression that they believe in diversity
British talent is prohibitively expensive. We won't be able to get out of this whole by relying most on it
Ah, so Ole is a xenophobe or a racist now? Is this what you are saying?
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Looks like he's staying to me. I'm beginning to suspect he's not that keen on coming here, probably waiting for somebody else to come in for him next summer.
Umm what?
We literally have 3 English players transfered in pkaying in our first 11 with Shaw being brought in 5 odd years ago.
Lets say this isnt a problem.
I agree mate I would rather that too. There’s nothing wrong with it at all and it’s still an achievement. But what I’m saying is goading Jadon about it is hardly having one over on him. Like I said,we are Manchester United. A champions league team! Even he knows what our club is all about and it’s not Europa.
But anyways,another day another transfer saga!
Any muppets out there reading this if you’re having a bad day just remember Sancho didn’t actually say “I’m happy here”
Deep breaths!
No I am saying that he's got little idea about what happens outside the UK and Norway and that he should trust his scouts more.
If our scouts can't be trusted then sack the lot and hire new people
I'm a noob for economy, could you explain this to me.
So I reckon today is Sancho day.
You just know if it was Real or Barcelona, a transfer request would be handed in with the player agitating for the move and making it difficult for Dortmund. Who was the last player we wanted who handed in a transfer request in order to join us? Berbatov?
I think you are just making an unreasonable inference based on the current evidence (last two transfer windows). Reasonable inference would be United and Ole wanted to be risk-averse with bringing in players esp. given transfer failures under previous management. Thus, he went for players who are more likely to have positive influence in the team straightaway. And those are players with the experience in the PL. However good our scouts may be with scouting talents outside PL, there's always a higher likelihood they take a longer to settle or even succeed in PL. That's it. We took a risk with Bruno in the winter, and it worked well for us. And as we get closer to a more settled squad, Ole and United can take more risks with players outside the PL.
Apparently we weren't confused enough, so they threw this pearl of wisdom at us to cement the deal.
Thanks, twitter.
The deadline was all over the media / social media, what did Ed want, a telegram?
Ag
Regarding scouting, I wonder if we would unearth more gems by sacking all the scouts and getting Ole a copy of CM...
*edit FM... showing my age
Agree 100% with this.
Regarding scouting, I wonder if we would unearth more gems by sacking all the scouts and getting Ole a copy of CM...
*edit FM... showing my age
I'm getting that feeling too.
What is quite laughable is that we've been after him for a few years now and, when it comes to the crunch and we could sign him, we're now in disagreement about the price Dortmund want, the amount of money the agent wants and the wages that Sancho wants. What ground work have we actually done over the last few years?
Its a public show, not actually an element of negotiations.
Especially with how slow Dortmund are operating.
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