Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I’m with you, let’s forget the FA cup, Ole made the decision to okay a weaker team to decide 3rd it worked. Can you imagine if we won the FA cup and finished 5th.
The first half of the season was a disaster but it’s not Ole’s fault, Pogba was injured and we had no creative quality in the midfield. Fred and McT did well but not creatively. Fernandez came in and the spark was lit. We’ve arguably been the best team in the country since. We beat all the top teams where no one thought we could. Since the restart our strikers have been great, except maybe Rashford but he has remember had a bad injury.
Ole has cleared so much dead wood and still is, Lukaku, Sanchez, Smalling, Darmian, Young, Valencia. I expect Jones, Rojo and Lingard are next.
We have one of the lowest age squads in the league now. His signings have all worked, I know people are bashing AWB and Maguire but the stats speak say differently.
Most importantly we are playing attacking football, the players look happy for the first time since Fergie and the feel good factor is there.
A few things to remember, we do not have the strength in depth of City or Pool, we have played 63 games, they had much more European experience in that squad, we played well but didn’t take our chances, that team finished in the same amount of points as Athletico Madrid in 3rd.
Lastly please remember how many years it took Klopp, success takes time.
His goal this season was to get back into the CL and improve the squad. It was to match Jose's first season in that respect and he's done that.
Next season we'll need to fall into title contenders and only fall significantly short due to another team excelling.
We've got a better team than any other post SAF manager so there can be no excuses. Although some will make them I'm sure. Personally I don't think he'll be good enough (which shouldn't be a surprise) but he's earned the chance to prove himself so we'll see.
We've improved bit by bit with every manager despite ups and downs, if it's not destined to be Ole someone else will pick up a title ready team next season. People focus on the manager too much as if the entire project is over with him.
Next season we'll need to fall into title contenders and only fall significantly short due to another team excelling.
We've got a better team than any other post SAF manager so there can be no excuses. Although some will make them I'm sure. Personally I don't think he'll be good enough (which shouldn't be a surprise) but he's earned the chance to prove himself so we'll see.
We've improved bit by bit with every manager despite ups and downs, if it's not destined to be Ole someone else will pick up a title ready team next season. People focus on the manager too much as if the entire project is over with him.
What are we? Tottenham? That is why we are so far away from Real, Bayern, Juve, Barca....
I wouldn't be as optimistic but I do think it's possible.
Why do you keep putting words in my mouth? I said Bruno was a great signing and the others weren't. That's 1 of 4. You may think they were but I don't ergo I don't think he has, overall, been very good in the market so far.
Being an improvement on the disastrous previous managers is hardly much of a compliment, but.. it's a start, I guess.
I won't bother to discuss anymore with someone who keeps telling me I'm saying stuff I didn't.
There's a difference between accepting 3rd as a step on the road, and accepting 3rd as a destination.
We had the worst defensive record in the top 9 last season, be best in Europe this season.
My fecking eyes, what utter bullshit this is. A complete cluster feck of a thread.
So if we were to change managers, would you also want him sacked if we don't win anything next season?
I think Ole has done well this season considering, but please, any staunch fans of Ole, answer this question, would any club that considers themselves a top club in the game of football, approach Ole for the managers job, pre United, or even now?
No. But answer this for me.
Would any club have offered Zidane the job?
Would any club have offered Pirlo the job?
Would any top club have offered Arteta a job?
Frank Lampard even?
It just goes to show the lack of really top quality managers out there.
I couldn't believe it when I read that... Such utter bollocks.
I'm all in for Ole being backed in the next 2 transfer windows. But he needs to manage games much faster. Not trusting the bench is not an excuse for not making changes or making them late in the game.
Either you rest 1, 2 players (say greenwood and rashford) and start the bench players (say Mata or Ighalo) but bring them in as subs to impact the game against tired legs.
He did well to start Fred instead of Matic yesterday. But why is Rashford still starting and playing more than 80 minutes when he has been so poor now for 4-5 games.
His big game management has been very poor lately when we are expected to win games and are not the underdogs anymore. Either make changes to the shape or bring in substitutes much earlier.
That is the complain I have against Ole.
Either you rest 1, 2 players (say greenwood and rashford) and start the bench players (say Mata or Ighalo) but bring them in as subs to impact the game against tired legs.
He did well to start Fred instead of Matic yesterday. But why is Rashford still starting and playing more than 80 minutes when he has been so poor now for 4-5 games.
His big game management has been very poor lately when we are expected to win games and are not the underdogs anymore. Either make changes to the shape or bring in substitutes much earlier.
That is the complain I have against Ole.
I sympathize with you. To cope you need to ignore the dimwits lurking over here.
They pretend they re experts when in reality they re simply clueless.
End goal is to win trophies eventually. If they next manager doesn't show the ability to win trophies, yes he should be gone as well.
So we're going to be replacing managers every 12-18 months? Great.
Time has changed pal... The current top 3 managers (Zidane, Pep, Klopp) all started managing their own club without any glamorous title or reputation...
There is nothing to suggest Ole cannot be the 4th one.. Though Man UTD is a bit tricky as the manager has to be a DOF as well... I am thinking Ole could move on to be DOF later on... He has such a high EQ and eye for talent.
Support Watford then
Cheers, after a defeat this place is an abomination. As discussed in another thread.
I can’t understand what is your point. Results matter, but the context also matters.
Getting 3rd place is the result of the season.
A good progress in squad structure, atmosphere, good defensive record, youngsters turning into established first team stats, improving quality of transfers. Context. So, even if we got 5th, the context is still good.
Mourinho results were much better than the team progress. His job is about the results. He is a short term solution. Never supported him.
Young people tend to be maximalists and have hate/love perception of life. I’m 41, not old by all means. But for a 16 year kid, yeah, I’m ancient.
We appointed Ole 18 months ago, is it really unrealistic to ask for a trophy 30 months in charge at a club of United's size? Is it wrong to expect big things from United now?
its not like we were very good against the average PL sides. We struggled against some of them too. I'm not looking for the instant gratification of winning titles, I'm ready to wait 3-4 years but I feel that OGS is not up to the task and we are just wasting time. I know my feelings aren't worth much, I simply can't shake that feeling about OGS.
So it's knee jerky for a United fan to expect a trophy within 2.5 years of a managers tenure? Mind boggling how far fans expectations have fallen. LvG and Mou both did it btw.Support Watford then
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No, but so what? Better 'qualified' managers have been here and failed. He's done a good job so far and sacking him now would be no more than a gamble that the next 'more qualified' manager would do better.
To “expect” a trophy when he’s had a season and a half and inherited an absolute pile of shite with issues in every aspect of the club is absurd. We’ve made huge progress this year. If we don’t improve any more by the end of next season I could understand people wanting a change but just cos we won nothing this year doesn’t mean we change manager, nor expectations lowered. You have to be realistic about how far we fell and where we are now
I think you missed it but the question asked was if the new manager came in and didn't win anything next season should he be sacked, not should Ole be sacked if he doesn't win something next season.
Win a trophy is my expectation for next year btw. Finishing top 4 was my expectation this season and Ole met it.
My bad. To answer the question, I'd give the new manager the same amount of time. 2-3 years is good enough time to judge if a manager has what it takes to win a trophy IMO.
Which is exactly what I am saying. I do not buy this, oh who else would have hired him crap.
Well apparently Ole & Phelan wanted 9 players when they took over,so we are a third of the way there at the moment then.
Just goes to show how shattered the club was after Moyes, LvG and Mourinho. People need a spot of patience.
Well, it works for Real, Barca, Bayern, Juve...clubs with which we like to compare.
We started well yesterday up to our goal. Then we got passive and invited pressure. Then took over and had a brilliant spell at the start of the second half.
Then let them take over again.
Really needed subs at that point to get us back in the game before they got the winning goal.
Can't be too mad about the performance, but we need to be more clinical when it matters.
Then let them take over again.
Really needed subs at that point to get us back in the game before they got the winning goal.
Can't be too mad about the performance, but we need to be more clinical when it matters.
I was reading this earlier and was thinking about posting it but you beat me to it.
As he says there is more than one way to skin a cat and just because everything isn't a prescriptive pre-rehearsed move, it doesn't mean the team isn't well-coached.
So you would have been happy had he won a trophy (say league cup) and finished outside top 4 this season.
So far he has
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Obviously he is still looking to bring in over next two windows
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Well at least I hope that is going to be the case then anyway
According to the Caf, there is only one way. Rigid system. We had that with Jose and LVG struggled to score goals / create chances.
How often did we play teams and had 3/4 shots on target if that?
I posted it becausei got sick of people commenting on "lack of plans", tactics et when in reality they don't have a clue.
But yes, Poch is the answer isn't he? You also do know that it took Klopp over 3 years to win anything at Liverpool, don't you? Should he have been sacked after 30 months too?
Well of course it would, those are two-team leagues with huge financial disparities between 1st/2nd and the rest of the league. Why do you think they are expected to and usually win a trophy every year?
I see this like the performance review seen at many jobs. 'A' is expected first year, 'A' + 'B' is expected second year, 'A' + 'B' + 'C' the third season. Granted normally a person might not be fired for not meeting all expectations but we are talking about the manager of Manchester United here. This only way to improve is set high standards IMO and with the salaries managers get nowadays the expectations should also be fairly high.
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