Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[anant]

Sorry I didn't realize that someone else quoted those numbers since you replied to this point I thought that was you.

My point was a good manager identifies players that fit his profile and does spend money(in some cases huge sums of money) and makes it a successful transfer and that translates to titles. Whereas poor managers who don't really have a vision try to buy and accomodate big names hoping they pull something out of the bag to compensate for a lack of coaching. Case in point, is Maguire really that much of an upgrade over Smalling? But look how VVD, Laporte have transformed (in city's case made it much better) the defences of Liverpool and City.

Honestly, Maguire vs Smalling is arguably the worst example you could have put forth if you're bashing Ole. It's pretty evident that Ole likes us to play out from the back (fun fact: our average goal kick length is 34 yards- least in PL, only 32.1% of our goalkicks were>40 yards - least in PL). Now, close your eyes and imagine Smalling playing the role of ball playing defender. The reason why our counter attacks have been great is because we are able to invite their players towards us, and by successfully passing the ball between defence and midfield till we find space behind their defences.

As far as defending ability is concerned, we were among the 11th worst defence last year, had conceded 54 goals. This year, we've conceded 36 and are the 3rd best defence. It's not just because of AWB, that's for certain

 

[BR7]

wonder if Woodward is sat there laughing his backside off with all this ole support. Plan executed to perfection.

 

[Bilbo]

I really want to know what people are seeing in Ole that suggests that he can't/won't win a title here? Everyone keeps saying that he won't win the title with us and this is how far he can take us, but what makes you think so?

And before you give those lazy arguments I'll just address each of them right now:

• He isn't good tactically
  • Well, a manager who has consistently performed well against top sides- can't be said to be poor tactically. How can one justify the logic behind a shit manager beating the likes of Pep thrice, drawing with Pool in that form, beating Chelsea thrice, beating a PSG side managed by Tuchel over 2 legs, beating sides managed by Poch and Mou! If anything, I'd say tactically he's probably better than atleast a few of the managers listed above
• He relies on individual brilliance
  • Again, it's one of those arguments that has no legs. Which manager doesn't rely on brilliance of few of their players? Pool were nowhere near being title contenders before VVD, barely getting into top 4 before Salah. Remove KDB and Aguero and maybe Laporte from that City side and I doubt they'll be any good. Bruno has just accelerated the transition, as he's helping us break down low blocks- something AP and Lingard are poor at. Our attack looks more coherent now because the players are making runs as Bruno has been able to find their runs
• His in game management is poor
  • Well, he doesn't have faith in the subs to turn the game around, and one can see why. Mata is arguably the only guy you can put on if you're trailing and even he is limited in what he can do. We lack players with flair but also a good end product, with that X-factor required to turn games around.
  • As far as coming back from losing positions is concerned, only 5 teams have better record than us (https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/pre...tbewerb/GB1/saison_id/2019/spiele/alle/plus/1)
    • Among them is City, who have gotten something out of the game after falling back in just 4 of their 13 games, compared to ours 7/17

I'm ears to all other reasons for why anyone feels that Ole can't win anything here

Good post

One thing that is important for people to realise is that, had the season played out in the normal fashion, we'd have ended the season on a successful note (ie securing a 3rd place finish) rather than having our last fixture end on a disappointing exit from a cup competition.

This affects the mindset of many and it shouldn't, because the major goal for the season was always going to be getting this club back into the Champions League and we achieved that goal under difficult circumstances.

Its been said all season that fixing the squad was a 2-3 year process. That hasn't changed. Some significant challenges have been overcome this season. The wage bill is getting under control. We have moved out a lot of players that shouldn't be here. We have an exciting first XI that we can build on. The mentality of the squad is better, and as said we have Champions League football next season. These are all major positives for the club.

Now people are getting ahead of themselves and expecting us to already be the finished article, but we arent there yet. We still have work to do on this squad because its quite clear to everybody that outside of our first XI the level dips alarmingly, and as a result we've had to run those players into the ground in order to achieve our priority target. This club is not a bottomless pit of cash and our owners are not going to put funds into the club, so we will need this summer and next to move out another 6 players and bring 6 in, and we need at least 5 of those 6 to be signings that work.

So in addition to those points well stated in the post above, we need to retain and back the manager that has made so many strong moves for this club because we need him to make more of them. He understands the culture of this club and he knows the type of players we need.

 

[SirScholes]

So every team in the Premier League except for 2 are terrible teams then, that is what you are implying.

I’m not implying terrible I’m saying the standard was poor

we got the exact same points as last year
Where we finished 6th
The year before that would also would of been 6th
The year before that 7th

I could keep going, this was the lowest bar set and we didn’t exactly raise it, we limped over and it’s papering over cracks.

I’m happy we’re in the CL because it’ll help us attract top talent, if we don’t we are screwed because I don’t believe ole can do any better with this current team

 

[Renegade]

I suppose he deserves another season but ultimately I feel we’re delaying the inevitable. His not good enough and we just have to wait till Pep/Klopp get bored before we’re remotely competitive again.
He can’t afford a slow start to the season

 

[SirScholes]

wonder if Woodward is sat there laughing his backside off with all this ole support. Plan executed to perfection.

Doubt it because in order for us to remain an attractive sponsor he’ll need a successful team
It’ll also help the wage bill if players want to come play here rather than having to wave wads of dollar in their faces

 

[Withnail]

wonder if Woodward is sat there laughing his backside off with all this ole support. Plan executed to perfection.

Great Post man.

You're really contributing to the conversation.

 

[Tyrion]

How did Poch overperform? They had a good team at a time when their rivals were in the pits. Leicester even won the league during that period. That’s overperforming.

He over performed by getting Spurs higher up the league then they had been before he arrived. That's progress.

Also, dismissing Poch's time at Spurs because his rivals were poor doesn't say much about OGS given how bad Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea are right now.

Leicester winning the league wasnt overperforming, it was one of the biggest football surprises ever. If that's your bar for over performing, no coach will ever be good enough.

 

[Tyrion]

Would you give him 5 years at United without winning anything? He had a chance to win something at Spurs but bottled it. He had a great team and setup at the time. Arguably, he should have done better. How many managers do you seriously believe would be linked to the Barca job? He can go to Barca and good luck to him. Let's see how that works out.

No but he'd have far more money at United than he did at Spurs.

I disagree he bottles it. He never had a team that you could seriously argue should have won a title (like Liverpool or City atm).

I dont know many people aside from OGS fans on here who seriously believe he should have done better.

If he goes to Barca, itd be a disaster imo but that's because of the state Barca are in.

 

[Tyrion]

While Poch was getting hamstrung by a peasant's budget too. Meanwhile, Ole broke the record for a defender, a fullback -- and a winger yet; and yet expectations for him are lowered every time (the EL cup is meaningless now, lol). He's like a cult leader, this guy.

Agreed. People dismissing Poch for no trophies are ignoring the problems he had at Spurs wrt budget.

 

[Zen86]

He over performed by getting Spurs higher up the league then they had been before he arrived. That's progress.

Also, dismissing Poch's time at Spurs because his rivals were poor doesn't say much about OGS given how bad Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea are right now.

Leicester winning the league wasnt overperforming, it was one of the biggest football surprises ever. If that's your bar for over performing, no coach will ever be good enough.

Spurs were higher up the table because their rivals for top 4 were poor at that time. The teams who traditionally battled it out for the top spots were probably at their lowest in terms of quality.

And don’t you worry, it’s an argument Ole’s detractors make on a regular basis. You’ve probably made plenty of similar comments yourself.

My point on Leicester was that the league was there for the taking that season, and alas, Poch bottled it and managed 3rd. Bravo.

 

[Withnail]

No but he'd have far more money at United than he did at Spurs.

I disagree he bottles it. He never had a team that you could seriously argue should have won a title (like Liverpool or City atm).

I dont know many people aside from OGS fans on here who seriously believe he should have done better.

If he goes to Barca, itd be a disaster imo but that's because of the state Barca are in.

Koeman seems to have the job.

 

[Tyrion]

Overperform? They got to the final of a cup competition once and only managed to finish 4th in the league that year.

In his time at Spurs he only managed to finish with 80+ points once. In the years before he was manager of Spurs 2010 - 2014 Spurs finished 4th, 5th, 4th and 5th.

In the years he was there he finished 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th and 6th. This year was saved by Mourinho.

I do think Harry Redknapp did a good job there too as well before Poch arrived. I checked and he managed 4th, 5th and 4th.

AvB/Sherwood managed 5th and 6th.

Poch managed 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd and 4th and a CL final.

I do think that Spurs best premier league finishes and first CL final is an improvement. It fell apart in his 6th year but how many managers last that long? Guardiola has only just finished his 4th season and has never had 6 seasons at any club. Does anyone seriously believe OGS will last 6 years?

I think the best arguments for OGS are picking the worst of other managers' records and taking advantage of OGS non-existent record.

 

[Foxbatt]

That could be said about any manager starting with I got Manz relegated and walked out and them, got lucky at BD when he went there due to BM starting a rebuild, they finished it and look, he walked out on BD half way through a contract when he knew he couldn't beat them.

Saint pep, well he took over a team on par or better than the famous Ac side of the late 80's early 90's, took over BM when they had just done the treble and couldn't get them to a semi and continues that trend even after spending 650 million.

And less we forget the new Saint, pouch who left his team in Spain rooted to the bottom 9 points off safety and walked, his spurs record, wow he couldn't get pass LCFC to win a title, and won what, so what if they played nice footie AT times, given what he had, he easily should have won a league cup even, but no nothing.

Next summer if he get his targets is when it be fair to judge Ole and not after one full year, as so called "top coaches" where here in LVG and Jose and they were failures.And please don't reply with they won the Fa cup or uefa cup as the FA is a joke since 2000 when we didn't defend it and no one takes it seriously and the other thing was, what did our fans called it in 01 when liverpool won it, ah yet, worthless little cup.

Ole is not starting his managerial career is he? So the comparison with Klopp at Mainz is wrong. He has had about 10 years experience as a manager now.
Top coaches like Jose and LVG had won trophies even with United in their time. Ole is already a season and half at United.
We may call it Mickey mouse cup but a trophy is a trophy if we are not winning the PL or CL.
I am not a fan of Poch. I don't think he is going to be an upgrade at all. There are better managers than Poch around. Nagelsmann should be hired if Ole doesn't have success next season but I am afraid that he may be hired by Barca.

 

[Tyrion]

Spurs were higher up the table because their rivals for top 4 were poor at that time. The teams who traditionally battled it out for the top spots were probably at their lowest in terms of quality.

And don’t you worry, it’s an argument Ole’s detractors make on a regular basis. You’ve probably made plenty of similar comments yourself.

My point on Leicester was that the league was there for the taking that season, and alas, Poch bottled it and managed 3rd. Bravo.

Making the point regularly doesn't make it false. Arsenal are as bad as they've been in the PL era. Spurs are worse then they've been since before Redknapp. Chelsea are as weak as they've been since Mourinho's first time as manager. City and Liverpool are stronger now then they were when Poch was first at Spurs but that's it. I don't see how the "he only did well because the rivals were bad argument" isn't truer for OGS than Poch (especially given that OGS has more money to work with).

Also, the league was "for the taking" for every team that year. Using your logic, every manager not called Ranieri that year "bottled it" and should've got sacked. You're basically blaming Poch for doing better with Spurs then every other team that year.

 

[Withnail]

Making the point regularly doesn't make it false. Arsenal are as bad as they've been in the PL era. Spurs are worse then they've been since before Redknapp. Chelsea are as weak as they've been since Mourinho's first time as manager. City and Liverpool are stronger now then they were when Poch was first at Spurs but that's it. I don't see how the "he only did well because the rivals were bad argument" isn't truer for OGS than Poch (especially given that OGS has more money to work with).

Also, the league was "for the taking" for every team that year. Using your logic, every manager not called Ranieri that year "bottled it" and should've got sacked. You're basically blaming Poch for doing better with Spurs then every other team that year.

I'm really loathe to continue talking about Poch but isn't that criticism based on the fact that they had a good team who were playing well and were well in the title race until April/May when they collapsed?

They'd battered us and Stoke and then got 2 pts from their final 12 available and ended up in third.

I don't think it's really fair to frame that argument as nonsensical on the basis that 19 teams didn't win the title just like every other year.

 

[Foxbatt]

I do not think Poch is the man. Yes he took Spurs to a CL final but I think someone like Nagelsmann would be much better than Poch.

 

[patty123]

Ole is not starting his managerial career is he? So the comparison with Klopp at Mainz is wrong. He has had about 10 years experience as a manager now.

The reason I used that is the Ole out brigade tend to bring up Cardiff and don't forget he went to a "farmers league" after he left Cardiff according to some.

 

[Bobcat]

It is not difficult to see I said those who uses are insulting using a pathetic attitude, and snowflakes is nothing wrong with it, it means sensitive.

The only thing Ole lovers do here is come here and insult other posters.

Thats just not true, and its not like insults are exclusive to that side

Pathetic attitude. If Ole's people are snowflakes and cant see other posters criticizing him, then they should keep out of this thread.

Most people are going to be insulted by being called a snowflake. Besides, simply disagreeing with someone does not mean you are hurt or offended. It just means you disagree with them

 

[Zen86]

Making the point regularly doesn't make it false. Arsenal are as bad as they've been in the PL era. Spurs are worse then they've been since before Redknapp. Chelsea are as weak as they've been since Mourinho's first time as manager. City and Liverpool are stronger now then they were when Poch was first at Spurs but that's it. I don't see how the "he only did well because the rivals were bad argument" isn't truer for OGS than Poch (especially given that OGS has more money to work with).

Also, the league was "for the taking" for every team that year. Using your logic, every manager not called Ranieri that year "bottled it" and should've got sacked. You're basically blaming Poch for doing better with Spurs then every other team that year.

Jesus, you really are deluded aren’t you. I’m not going to bother continuing with your contradictory nonsense. Goodbye.

 

[SAFMUTD]

I do not think Poch is the man. Yes he took Spurs to a CL final but I think someone like Nagelsmann would be much better than Poch.

I agree with this, Nagelsmann would be the dream.

I think we should aim for revolutionary managers, someone who can offer something different. I dont think Ole will sudenly become a revolutionary manager after 10 years of coaching. But neither will Pochettino, he did a good job at Spurs but always fell short when given the chance to prove himself big time.

 

[romufc]

anyway, let’s hope the board see that and back him so we can have a manager that has a great history with the club given the funds to build a top top team

This is the most important thing this summer. We can discuss and agree/ disagree about everything, the manager, the players, the rivals but the one thing is sure, whoever the manager is, if we do not spend money correctly this summer, we are in big big trouble next season.

 

[romufc]

What does this even mean, the person you've quoted is saying Klopp, Zidane etc started managing their respective clubs with no prior experience or winning, which is a fair point, however they then proved they were worthy of the position. We didn't hire Ole immediately after he stopped playing with no prior experience, he's been in management since 2008, the same time as Guardiola has been managing ffs, did Ole prove in those 12 years he's good enough to manage Manchester United, are his credentials as good as Guardiola's are they, in the same time?

The argument that no top club would hire him holds weight because Ole hasn't shown anything in those 12 odd years of management that he's good enough for such a job, which is why he has never been approached for one until we came along, where as the other managers mentioned worked their way from the bottom and proved that they could do it

Just for your information, Zidane was hired 10 years after he retired.
Baryen manager Flick was hired years after he retired, managed other clubs before.

Ziadane, Flick, Lampard were not approached for any big jobs either before they were approached.

So in your eyes, Only Pep and Klopp are good enough managers to manage a football club?

 

[Karlos PFC]

Just for your information, Zidane was hired 10 years after he retired.
Baryen manager Flick was hired years after he retired, managed other clubs before.

Ziadane, Flick, Lampard were not approached for any big jobs either before they were approached.

So in your eyes, Only Pep and Klopp are good enough managers to manage a football club?

Flick has been in the German national team since 2006 and word has it that it was he that actually coached them no Lowe.

Are you talking about Lampard, who in his first year as a coach he took an awful Derby side to the final of the playoffs of Championship? And his Chelsea is one of the most entertaining teams around? Naive? Sure, but you can see what his side is trying to do. It's the lack of quality that betrays him. I'm pretty sure, next season they will be in the top3 easily, if not competing.

I remember Ole in his Cardiff days at the championship that almost got them relegated, hmmm.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Are you talking about Lampard, who in his first year as a coach he took an awful Derby side to the final of the playoffs of Championship?

You think that was the main reason Chelsea - one of the biggest/richest/most ambitious football clubs in the world - decided to hire him as their manager?

ETA They saw this young manager finish 6th in the Championship, then lose the play-off final, and decided he was undoubtedly the man to hire. And it had nothing to do with the fact that he had - you know - a bit of history at Chelsea as a player.

 

[romufc]

Flick has been in the German national team since 2006 and word has it that it was he that actually coached them no Lowe.

Are you talking about Lampard, who in his first year as a coach he took an awful Derby side to the final of the playoffs of Championship? And his Chelsea is one of the most entertaining teams around? Naive? Sure, but you can see what his side is trying to do. It's the lack of quality that betrays him. I'm pretty sure, next season they will be in the top3 easily, if not competing.

I remember Ole in his Cardiff days at the championship that almost got them relegated, hmmm.

Okay, so you saying he coached the German team means he did? Why didnt he get replaced as the coach then? Does that mean Arteta is better than Pep cause some say he coached the City team?

Lampard took a 6th place Derby to 6th place int he championship year after.

Ole got sacked in September, I never knew you get relegated in September.

Chelsea is one of the most entertaining? I guess Liverpool, City played boring football. So how do you judge entertainment? because they let in loads of goals?

Oh so Lampard has lack of quality but we have lack of management?

Look at the team based on minutes played (United, I dont know whos played most mins for chelsea)

Kepa = DDG - Actually Kepa is Spains 1st choice
AWB < Azpi - Azpi has been consistent player
Maguire > Christensen
Lindelof < Rudiger
Shaw > Alsonso
Matic < Kante
Fred < Kovacic
James < Willian
Perreira < Mount
Rashford = Pulisic
Martial > Tammy

Can you explain to me how he has been let down? whereas Ole has been very unlucky with the injuries to Pogba, Rashford, Martial and the rest.

Lampard even has a bigger squad to chose from.

 

[georgipep]

Okay, so you saying he coached the German team means he did? Why didnt he get replaced as the coach then? Does that mean Arteta is better than Pep cause some say he coached the City team?

Lampard took a 6th place Derby to 6th place int he championship year after.

Ole got sacked in September, I never knew you get relegated in September.

Chelsea is one of the most entertaining? I guess Liverpool, City played boring football. So how do you judge entertainment? because they let in loads of goals?

Oh so Lampard has lack of quality but we have lack of management?

Look at the team based on minutes played (United, I dont know whos played most mins for chelsea)

Kepa = DDG - Actually Kepa is Spains 1st choice
AWB < Azpi - Azpi has been consistent player
Maguire > Christensen
Lindelof < Rudiger
Shaw > Alsonso
Matic < Kante
Fred < Kovacic
James < Willian
Perreira < Mount
Rashford = Pulisic
Martial > Tammy

Can you explain to me how he has been let down? whereas Ole has been very unlucky with the injuries to Pogba, Rashford, Martial and the rest.

Lampard even has a bigger squad to chose from.

I'd add Willian, Pedro, Jorginho, Barkley and Giroud. Giroud is even considered better ST than Martial by some

 

[montpelier]

Matt Hancock talks more sense than the Ole Outers.

 

[LuckyScout78]

There are 2 decisions i disagree with Ole and not my kind of cup tea.

One sentence : McTom is a important key and factor to United success in the future. Keep him out and on the bench in Semi or important games. Then you are open a road and create a path that will lead to other way than success.
Two. Again parking bus and tight defend. Use Martial as LW and Rashford as CF. United will struggle more if United and Ole are using opposite.
Again top team then its right to use RAshford as LW, because of his tracking back ability. Better in the defense than Martial. But again parking bus team. You need Martial one on one skill to beat and past players on the left wing, then make a 45 ancle pass out to a CF.

If Ole dont see this. Then i think and believe he will reduce UNited chance to success. You need a player like McTom to push others aggresiveness, temp and fighting spirit like Bruno. But from a deeper role than Bruno. United need more players of Bruno and McTom. RAshford has it too. But only Bruno might be not enough. McTom dont has top skill, but he has a top winner mentality and hard workd and aggresive. Plus McTom is decent enough on the ball playing for United. Plus McTom is best of United cm to shield and protect United defend. United have defintive concede more goals without McTom.
Then i think giving Matic 3 years was a bit too long. Only one or max 2 year extend. Build the team around McTom, Bruno, RAshford and Greenwood are mine best recommendations. Letting McTom on the bench too long. It will might cost United some trophy in the future. Like against Sevilla.

So sum up. Internally. Clearly Ole can strenght it with intern solutions. Keeping McTom too often out of a starting line up is not a good solution...over the next coming years. If i am United manager. McTom is one of the first i would put on the line up. Easily and clear choice. Then i compliment him with a top creative consistent cm player. Then i would have a perfect cm partnership.
Everytop team need a player like McTom. A player opponent players hate to meet. Aggressive and never give them free space and time. I am 100 % sure about this. United was still on top 4 race. Because of McTom. The period without Pogba and Bruno. Then McTom, Matic and Fred were doing a good job. But most important. Without Herrera. But with McTom first full season. The boy has done really well. One of United most important key player. Clearly as day.

 

[Matriac]

Who let Mourinho keep his caf account.

 

[MalcolmTucker]

There are 2 decisions i disagree with Ole and not my kind of cup tea.

One sentence : McTom is a important key and factor to United success in the future. Keep him out and on the bench in Semi or important games. Then you are open a road and create a path that will lead to other way than success.
Two. Again parking bus and tight defend. Use Martial as LW and Rashford as CF. United will struggle more if United and Ole are using opposite.
Again top team then its right to use RAshford as LW, because of his tracking back ability. Better in the defense than Martial. But again parking bus team. You need Martial one on one skill to beat and past players on the left wing, then make a 45 ancle pass out to a CF.

If Ole dont see this. Then i think and believe he will reduce UNited chance to success. You need a player like McTom to push others aggresiveness, temp and fighting spirit like Bruno. But from a deeper role than Bruno. United need more players of Bruno and McTom. RAshford has it too. But only Bruno might be not enough. McTom dont has top skill, but he has a top winner mentality and hard workd and aggresive. Plus McTom is decent enough on the ball playing for United. Plus McTom is best of United cm to shield and protect United defend. United have defintive concede more goals without McTom.
Then i think giving Matic 3 years was a bit too long. Only one or max 2 year extend. Build the team around McTom, Bruno, RAshford and Greenwood are mine best recommendations. Letting McTom on the bench too long. It will might cost United some trophy in the future. Like against Sevilla.

So sum up. Internally. Clearly Ole can strenght it with intern solutions. Keeping McTom too often out of a starting line up is not a good solution...over the next coming years. If i am United manager. McTom is one of the first i would put on the line up. Easily and clear choice. Then i compliment him with a top creative consistent cm player. Then i would have a perfect cm partnership.
Everytop team need a player like McTom. A player opponent players hate to meet. Aggressive and never give them free space and time. I am 100 % sure about this. United was still on top 4 race. Because of McTom. The period without Pogba and Bruno. Then McTom, Matic and Fred were doing a good job. But most important. Without Herrera. But with McTom first full season. The boy has done really well. One of United most important key player. Clearly as day.

Disagree with nearly all of this. Glad you're not managing United.

 

[lysglimt]

If we don't win a trophy next season, he should be off. Has done a good job so far, but not sure he is the one to take us to the next level.

Sorry - but statements like that are just stupid.

So if we win the League Cup and ends 12th - he should stay
And if he ends 2nd in the League with 90 Points and don't win a Trophy - he should be fired ?

No sane board will fire a manager who shows significant progress. But if we end at 62 Points and 4th Place next season - he is in problems.

 

[Terminator]

Sorry - but statements like that are just stupid.

So if we win the League Cup and ends 12th - he should stay
And if he ends 2nd in the League with 90 Points and don't win a Trophy - he should be fired ?

No sane board will fire a manager who shows significant progress. But if we end at 62 Points and 4th Place next season - he is in problems.

Of course I mean he should achieve what he has already done this season(which is nothing but top 4 really) or atleast get close to it if you are so bothered about semantics. I don't want to see us just scraping top 4 every year, not really an achievement in itself.

It will be a 4 years without a trophy next year, and that's unacceptable at a club like United. Transition etc.., whatnot are just excuses when even LvG and Mourinho have won trohpies. Again, it's a fair goal to set for next season IMO. Pains me seeing Chelsea/Bayern and other successful clubs chop managers every other year and keep winning trophies even while 'transition' while we wait for the chosen one.

 

[RedPed]

Of course I mean he should achieve what he has already done this season(which is nothing but top 4 really) or atleast get close to it if you are so bothered about semantics. I don't want to see us just scraping top 4 every year, not really an achievement in itself.

It will be a 4 years without a trophy next year, and that's unacceptable at a club like United. Transition etc.., whatnot are just excuses when even LvG and Mourinho have won trohpies. Again, it's a fair goal to set for next season IMO. Pains me seeing Chelsea/Bayern and other successful clubs chop managers every other year and keep winning trophies even while 'transition' while we wait for the chosen one.

So every time we hire a manager and he doesn't win a trophy within 12 months (bearing in mind that a lot of United 'fans' now take the piss out of the League Cup, FA Cup and Europa League), he gets fired??

That is some sharp thinking right there.

 

[Terminator]

So every time we hire a manager and he doesn't win a trophy within 12 months (bearing in mind that a lot of United 'fans' now take the piss out of the League Cup, FA Cup and Europa League), he gets fired??

That is some sharp thinking right there.

30 months! My goal for this season was top 4 and for the next one is a trophy. It's a logical step I feel.

 

[Livvie]

Well, if it worked a few days ago then it would’ve surely worked again tonight. It’s a shame we’ll never know for sure isn’t it?

We won't. And it might not have worked. But what is certain is that it wasnt working as it was. If Ole had made changes and it didn't work, we couldn't have complained. Well I wouldn't have.

And paying Ighalo's wages for the rest of the season was money well spent wasn't it

 

[Matriac]

We won't. And it might not have worked. But what is certain is that it wasnt working as it was. If Ole had made changes and it didn't work, we couldn't have complained. Well I wouldn't have.

And paying Ighalo's wages for the rest of the season was money well spent wasn't it

What would we have done in the final end of the season, including Europa League, if Rashford or Martial had been injured? And we'll have plenty of chances for him until the end of January, lots of matches he can get minutes in, plus act as the backup if we get injuries.

 

[RedPed]

30 months! My goal for this season was top 4 and for the next one is a trophy. It's a logical step I feel.

No it isn't. It's been stated to you before. There are only 4 trophies available to the top 6 teams every season, 3 to the others. We do not have any divine right to win anything. If we get 4th, get to a few semis, possibly a final and still no trophy, Solskjaer won't be going anywhere.

 

[lysglimt]

its not like we were very good against the average PL sides. We struggled against some of them too. I'm not looking for the instant gratification of winning titles, I'm ready to wait 3-4 years but I feel that OGS is not up to the task and we are just wasting time. I know my feelings aren't worth much, I simply can't shake that feeling about OGS.

We struggled against some of them - but we brushed most of them aside. If OGS isn't good enough - he will be found out and replaced. But I am not worried as l feel we will improve - simply because our players are young and will improve. And besides - OGS will not be our manager in 3 years unless we have won a Trophy or come really Close in the League.

 

[Terminator]

No it isn't. It's been stated to you before. There are only 4 trophies available to the top 6 teams every season, 3 to the others. We do not have any divine right to win anything. If we get 4th, get to a few semis, possibly a final and still no trophy, Solskjaer won't be going anywhere.

Stated what to me? It's my opinion and I'm free to look at it however I want. It's okay to have different opinions.

Of course we don't have a divine right to win anything but is setting high standards too much to do at United nowadays? Couple of semis and 4th isnt a trophy to me and this kind of mindset can be a slippery slope. We crumbled in three semi finals this year and I disliked seeing how we had little to no fight whenever the opposition surprised us. Too soon to call the team 'bottlers' but there is an element of giving up too easy in the team and only a trophy can convince me otherwise.