Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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I just went and stalked that post. Sancho hasn’t liked it. If he had liked it by mistake earlier, he has unliked it which is even better!
It’s funny that he actually went back and unlike it after a few Dortmund tried to banter United fans with it.

The next generation of muppeting is truly here. Instagram, twitter and the infamous ITKs from reddit. What a time to be alive...
 

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Ah so it comes from a place of ignorance, no foul there.

That explains the assumption that he's a wannabe gangster when most young people of his age and background speak just like that :lol:
 

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Literally nothing I reckon, just a basic intermediary that passes messages back and forth between two parties and tries to make the numbers as big as they can be.

That’s why sensible players just get their brother or fathers to be their agent and pocket any money the leaches try to make out of it.
I don't like agents as a fan but as a player id love them especially a cnut like Raiola unless he was so obtuse he was hampering my moves. For a player they are great because they get them the best wages possible. Most people are not negotiators by trade or just dont like doing it. But in saying that i have no idea where their self importance has come from all of a sudden demanding fee's like this
 

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Ah so it comes from a place of ignorance, no foul there.

That explains the assumption that he's a wannabe gangster when most young people of his age and background speak just like that :lol:
It’s funny because the most notorious English gangsters are probably the Krays but I’ve never heard a cockney sounding footballer compared to a gangster.
 

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It’s funny because the most notorious English gangsters are probably the Krays but I’ve never heard a cockney sounding footballer compared to a gangster.
That's a good point. I think that recent TV shows and movies are the reason behind it. In reality gangster don't have a particular accent, otherwise the police would have a very easy job.
 

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50m would be criminal if true. I thought we’d never see that after the investigation into Raiola’s commission on the Pogba transfer.
I reckon the player ends up with a massive chunk of it. No other way an agent could justify it to a player.
 

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Keeps the mask under the nose. Dickhead! JLingz is better anyway.
Actually what's the point of wearing the mask this way ? It protects nothing in this picture, even though he's in a crowded place and should care about protecting himself.
 

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Its part of the overall fee (same as pogba) which is why Dortmund are probably hell bent on the 120 million fee.
Kind of makes sense because there were tweets about Dortmund forcing United to deal with 3rd party intermediaries and not directly with Dortmund, who have to deal directly with Sancho's agent. If Sancho has already agreed with personal terms with United and freed up Alexis's wages and number for Sancho...then Dortmund is applying any costs to sell Sancho (agent fees, 3rd party fees, etc.) to United's upfront transfer sum (and not remaining payment structures).
 

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Raiola as much as said that was a third party ownership thing, because Pogba went to Juve for feck all, which isn't allowed anymore.
It wasn't a third part ownership. Juventus didn't gave Pogba or Raiola signing bonuses when they joined because the club didn't had the money but they agreed that they would both get a certain amount at the next extension or a percentage of the transfer fee, it was for both Pogba and Raiola.
 

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I suppose thats fine if someone's willing to pay it but it would clearly jeopardise a potential move so it seems unlikely.
True, could be one of the main reasons we negotiate for long despite clubs bring set in their ways. Could be trying to force the players/agents hand.
 

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Why on earth would anyone do that? Nothing’s stopping you from doing it though.
He's liking posts that say he's staying at Dortmund. This isn't some 3D chess bullshit. He's staying at Dortmund.

United need to be smart and move the feck on so we're not running around a week before the season starts chasing players and end up with another Fellaini.
 

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It wasn't a third part ownership. Juventus didn't gave Pogba or Raiola signing bonuses when they joined because the club didn't had the money but they agreed that they would both get a certain amount at the next extension or a percentage of the transfer fee, it was for both Pogba and Raiola.
Ok it's not really much different to how you describe it but I was going off these quotes:

Asked specifically if it was paid by Juventus, he said: 'No — not in the way that you're saying it. I have to see how I can phrase this in a way that Juventus cannot tackle me through the law, let's say. Hmm. How can I say it? (Long pause) Yes: in this deal Juventus was not the only owner of the player's rights.'

He was then asked if that was not therefore a breach of third party ownership rules, given that it was banned. 'Not then,' said Raiola in reference to the fact that he struck the deal with Juventus in 2012. 'Only afterwards.'
 

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I suspect Sancho is using United as bargaining leverage for a bigger Dortmund deal. In any event, I honestly don't think United really need him. What United really needs imo is a CF to replace Lukaku, and a LB because neither Shaw nor Williams are really up to the job.
 

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Ok it's not really much different to how you describe it but I was going off these quotes:

Asked specifically if it was paid by Juventus, he said: 'No — not in the way that you're saying it. I have to see how I can phrase this in a way that Juventus cannot tackle me through the law, let's say. Hmm. How can I say it? (Long pause) Yes: in this deal Juventus was not the only owner of the player's rights.'

He was then asked if that was not therefore a breach of third party ownership rules, given that it was banned. 'Not then,' said Raiola in reference to the fact that he struck the deal with Juventus in 2012. 'Only afterwards.'
It was not a part ownership though, Juventus were simply not enttitled to all the money if they sold him, in fact that deal also applied to an extension, where they allegedly had to pay Pogba and Raiola a pre-determined amount.
 

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That's a good point. I think that recent TV shows and movies are the reason behind it. In reality gangster don't have a particular accent, otherwise the police would have a very easy job.
And it’s not even exclusive to London, young people speak like that in Manchester, Liverpool, even suburban kids in places like Essex.
One of the major complaints regarding police has been that they profile young men in a similar way, based on how they talk and dress.
 

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I suspect Sancho is using United as bargaining leverage for a bigger Dortmund deal. In any event, I honestly don't think United really need him. What United really needs imo is a CF to replace Lukaku, and a LB because neither Shaw nor Williams are really up to the job.
United's 3 forwards are all 24 or under and scored a combined 62 goals this season. What United really need in attack are good bench options. The priority for the starting XI I think is once again a CB.
 
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It was not a part ownership though, Juventus were simply not enttitled to all the money if they sold him, in fact that deal also applied to an extension, where they allegedly had to pay Pogba and Raiola a pre-determined amount.
I think you're splitting hairs to be honest and I've given you the quote I based my interpretation on but its not a hill I'm willing to die on.

Even if it was a similar situation with Sancho this 50m figure being quoted seems excessive don't you think?
 

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It’s funny because the most notorious English gangsters are probably the Krays but I’ve never heard a cockney sounding footballer compared to a gangster.
Are the Krays really the most notorious or is it because of the movie?
 
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