What are you disagreeing with? Players were playing for money, they are professionals, they don't sign or play for the badge, in some cases a player may fall in love with his current club Evra is an example but that's after signing for the club. Rare are the british players who would reject a contract from a club due to the badge, it's a luxury that mainly exists in outsiders minds and in this case some football fans.
Does the upcoming (Bayern - PSG) UCL final represent something more
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Did Bayern ever get any significant outside help? Obviously they have a big advantage in Germany and they happily take full advantage of that, but you can't really blame them for it. We'd do the same in their shoes.
I generally prefer the clubs that 'deserve' their success by good management on and off the field, rather than getting rich benefactors who just throw money at them. For instance, the only real difference between City and Portsmouth is that the UAE flipped a coin and it landed on heads. Congrats I guess. Likewise the difference between PSG and Tolouse. The two big Spanish teams obviously have always had a huge amount of help, and I believe all (?) the big Italian teams have had help in the past.
Bayern seem to be one of the very few top clubs who haven't had that (as are we of course), so I'll generally prefer them to win ahead of the others.
I generally prefer the clubs that 'deserve' their success by good management on and off the field, rather than getting rich benefactors who just throw money at them. For instance, the only real difference between City and Portsmouth is that the UAE flipped a coin and it landed on heads. Congrats I guess. Likewise the difference between PSG and Tolouse. The two big Spanish teams obviously have always had a huge amount of help, and I believe all (?) the big Italian teams have had help in the past.
Bayern seem to be one of the very few top clubs who haven't had that (as are we of course), so I'll generally prefer them to win ahead of the others.
I disagree with you saying my opinion is someway somewhat foolish. There is a marked difference in the PL now compared to when the big clubs like Arsenal United and Liverpool had home grown players.
Nowadays its all money. Who has the most. The badge hardly makes a difference.
Nobody joins a club for the badge. Its for the money and thats grand fair play to them but football was better when players loved the club
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This was about the Leipzig bs PSG semi-final, but still worth watching even if only for the part about PSG:
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It was a reference to that infamous game when they knocked us out, when Rafa was sent off. Ribery ran to the ref crying to sent Rafael off because the kid had him in his pocket and we were winning. Also the ref was influenced by their surrounding and putting pressure on every decision. Hate them ever since.
Both clubs deserved the final but let's not pretend they didn't benefit from having an extended rest compared to the top3 leagues.
Feck this ‘proper club, well run business, organically home grown and managed TM’ nonsense. I have no love for Bayern at all, don’t view them as favorable to PSG in any way or form. In fact, watching this as a neutral there are more players on the PSG team that I like than Bayern.
Good shout. I completely forgot about this. No coincidence the semi-finalists are all German and French. I wonder if fatigue played a part in Juve/City/Atletico Madrid'/Barca's losses. I mean Barca and Atletico were literally playing twice every week. But one could also argue they lack match fitness, so depends on how you see it.
I don't particularly find Bayern likeable either. Maybe as you get older the romanticism wears as I don't really find myself even causally liking other teams. I'm boring, feck off me.
Interesting. This didn't even cross my mind. And everyone thought their leagues ending sooner would have been detrimental.
In this CL format I don’t think anyone can confidently say these are the best in the world (except Bayern who is easily the best team in the CL). This is mostly aimed at PSG who I would be willing to wager would have been eliminated over 2 leg games and probably by Atalanta.
This 1 game format means anyone can make it to the final as opposed to a 2 game leg where it is a lot more difficult.
With that being said for the good of football Bayern must win!
They really are not, Bayern yes but PSG had an incredibly lucky draw and a massive rest, that's the only thing that stopped them getting their usual quarter final spanking. They faced a Dortmund who are miles off this year, an Atalanta who were still pinching themselves to believe they were in the competition in the first place, and an RB Leipzig who are basically what they were a few years ago.
Bayern are not my favourite club by any stretch but i hope they put ten past PSG, who represent everything that is wrong with world football.
To be fair Rafa did make a stupid foul there. True, the way some Bayern players approached the ref is something usually only seen in Spanish teams, but it's better to accept Rafa made a mistake, which he did.
Ribery is still hardly likeable though, fecking an underage prostitute. But aside from his personality he was a damn good footballer.
Dislike both clubs. But I'd like to see Neymar win it. He's been the third best player in the world for almost 7 years in my opinion, certainly the most entertaining which is why we watch football.
Funny that your bench is much more expensive: Hernandez 80 + Tolisso 41 + Pavard 35 + etc.
Indeed, at the European stage, 5 consecutive semi-finals + winner of the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup in 1996
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He has already won and scored in a CL final. I’d much rather see Lewandowski win one than Neymar.
Its finally delivering on the many years of hype. Especially for Bayern - every couple of years we've had posters going on about how great they are and this time they'll deliver in the champions league. Usually they fizzle out but with the usual suspects from La Liga dropping out early, its a great oppertunity for what would have been considered the next tier of european clubs to push through and have success. Really Bayern and PSG should have been in this position a bit more often, though the same can be said for us.
That doesn't make sense because Mbappé would have been available as a starter in a 2 legs game. And we saw what happened when he showed up against Atalanta, they were scared to leave their own half. You're trying to rewrite history in a way that suits your narative.
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Don't like any of them and doesn't help they had more time off than PL / Liga / Seria A clubs. + Five subs, only one game at neutral ground etc. Have problems taking it seriously but to be honest I'll probably 'support' PSG in the final.
French teams being out also means that they were out of rhythm and lost momentum, the way people talk you would think that teams are at their best during preseason. Also PSG beat Dortmund and the germans were in great form with a flying Haaland.
Go and watch the 2 yellow cards, both of them are laughable. The first one Van Bommel fouls him, no foul, Rafa spings a leg yellow card while the cheat "rolls in agony". Then that second yellow is laughable he barely pulls him back, just two fecking touches, the rat face reacts like a little bitch because he was shit all the game up till then, the ref originally wasn't pulling a card, then he fumbles under pressure and give a laughable second yellow. It was embarrassing really and I am so glad Inter spanked them in the final.
I know people will be against this, but I think that clubs being bought out can actually benefit a league in terms of competition. Look at the Premier League; without City and Chelsea being bought out we would have won the league title 8 times in a row from 2005 to 2013. We actually won 5 times, and the rest we were runners up to Chelsea or City. It may sound great winning 8 titles in a row, but I think it would get boring - the dominance would be too much. I am not actually against a club being taken over as it is the only way for them to get enough resources to compete - it is not possible to grow organically to that scale anymore.
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These would have all been title wins. Even as a United fan it would get boring; it is too predictable.
The issue is financial dominance, which both Bayern Munich and PSG have over their leagues. Bayern Munich have won the league 8 times in a row. PSG have only actually won 3 in a row, but 7 of the last 8 and will likely continue to win. PSG will just end up a richer version of Bayern Munich, so I don't actually think one is worse than the other. What both leagues really need is another club being bought out so that they can go against PSG and Bayern Munich financially.
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These would have all been title wins. Even as a United fan it would get boring; it is too predictable.
The issue is financial dominance, which both Bayern Munich and PSG have over their leagues. Bayern Munich have won the league 8 times in a row. PSG have only actually won 3 in a row, but 7 of the last 8 and will likely continue to win. PSG will just end up a richer version of Bayern Munich, so I don't actually think one is worse than the other. What both leagues really need is another club being bought out so that they can go against PSG and Bayern Munich financially.
In terms of the best teams:
Liverpool are up there due to league dominance but they got fairly knocked out by Athletico. Athletico?
City who got fairly knocked out by Lyon, finished second in the league by 18 points, and have zero trophies this year?
Barcelona? Won nothing this year and humliated by Bayern. Club felt to be in a bit of mess despite still challenging for La Liga and making the CL quarters.
Real Madrid? A good but not great side this year. Jury out on them.
Juventus? Again good not great side.
Now I know there is a lot of ill will thrown at PSG due to their crazy money, and also playing in what is perceived to be a lesser league with far less arduous schedule. But you know what, their players are incredible (x2 are Ballon d'or calibre, and many world class) and they could beat any of the teams listed above. So yes they are more rested due to an easier schedule, and their players wanted the big money and less stress, but that doens't mean we don't have the 2 best sides in this years final. They get to the knockout stages routinely and now have got a bit of luck to have a clear path to the finals beating 'lesser' sides, not ignoring they took care of Real Madrid quite handily in the group stages. And if they beat this much lauded Bayern team then they are deserved Champions.
The only other team I see as providing a potentially better opponent to Bayern is Liverpool but they were super focused on the league this year.
In terms of wins, yes, in terms of ranking as most successful CL side, they go ahead based on losing more finals.
I hope they both lose.
Yes, it does.
It says you're either an established, well-run superpower of a club or need a lot of money and still be well-run to actually achieve success. We're neither and so it looks we're set for an extended spell in doldrums of the football elite.
It says you're either an established, well-run superpower of a club or need a lot of money and still be well-run to actually achieve success. We're neither and so it looks we're set for an extended spell in doldrums of the football elite.
City won the League Cup.
They certainly did! Hard to remember but credit where it is due.
Going with Bayern on this one. Cannot stand the state owned clubs. I have nothing against a billionaire injecting his own money recklessly spending his own cash, but states using their natural wealth for PR projects rubs me the wrong way. Always has and always will.
Think I'd prefer Bayern. Ancien régime for the win!!!
I have mixed feelings because I actually secretly kinda like football royalty in some ways as it adds a romance to the game through those club's history. On the other hand I loved seeing Leicester win the league a few years back and it was cool to see Lyon get so far this time around. It depends on how the new challengers to the hierarchy attain their success.
I have mixed feelings because I actually secretly kinda like football royalty in some ways as it adds a romance to the game through those club's history. On the other hand I loved seeing Leicester win the league a few years back and it was cool to see Lyon get so far this time around. It depends on how the new challengers to the hierarchy attain their success.
Why are you so mad?
I find any dislike here of Bayern quite odd, because I am finding this side really likeable.
Might be because I didnt watch much of them whilst they had dickheads like Robben and Ribery playing for them.
Might be because I didnt watch much of them whilst they had dickheads like Robben and Ribery playing for them.
Why are you so mad?
It still hurts the way they beat us. Not sure how much some remember but we had injuries Rooney played through one in the first leg and I remember Van Buyten especially targeting his injured foot. It left some bad blood personally.
Bayern all the way (Best of a bad lot)
I don’t understand how anyone can support PSG given the regime that finances them, their routine flouting of the FFP laws and their shit fans.
I don’t understand how anyone can support PSG given the regime that finances them, their routine flouting of the FFP laws and their shit fans.
100% agree I don’t get the hate?. There team is composed of players that they didn’t spend a fortune on, they make there own revenue instead of oil money and they play fantastic football.