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Gabriel situation is cringe. If the reports are true, they tried to basically let Arsenal negotiate for them then tried to come in to hijack it
I don't think that's true it all. It sounded like agent guff. There was very little to it. It was two lines written by Di Marzio wasn't it?
 

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Does the fact that a single transfer makes us that financially vulnerable raise any concern with you? Billionaire owners and a cash cow when it comes to generating commercial revenue yet a single transfer completely destroys our cash reserve.
Thats because in a normal situation £90m in cash reserves would have been fine, hence why unlike Arsenal we haven't had to resort to making staff redundant. I believe we also paid Leicester 80m upfront which depleted the reserves. At the time it was a calculated gamble as they hadnt anticipated a pandemic. We are financially sound but that doesn't mean we should take a gamble that could backfire on us.
 

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Are we even linked to any players at the moment? The Sancho deal is dead in the water, and there had no nothing else since then, unless you count the Gabriel links...

Anyway, can some journalists just make up some fake interest in some players so that we can get some muppet juices flowing? This transfer window so far feels as if we are banned from making any transfers.
 

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Gabriel situation is cringe. If the reports are true, they tried to basically let Arsenal negotiate for them then tried to come in to hijack it
Everything about United board transfer dealings is cringe. We figured ending up in the CL would have prepared us to launch this attack in strengthening the squad when the window reopened but guess what, same United, same old transfer negotiating and same old shit.... I could see some truth to this especially with the thinking that we could offer a little bit more money and Gabriel would be willing to join since we can offer CL football and Arsenal cannot.

That's Chelsea, Liverpool (who claim to have no money), Arsenal, City who've already bought players and United still effing around.
 

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Harry.....
You meant Maguire? He didn't go through Leicester youth system or being there at the time. Chilwell made Leceister debut only in the cup competitions when Leceister won the league. Even him couldn't get a PL winner medal, let alone someone playing for other club.
 

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Gabriel situation is cringe. If the reports are true, they tried to basically let Arsenal negotiate for them then tried to come in to hijack it
I dont think that is the case. It was said we were in contact with his agent way before Arsenal were mentioned. And at no point had we ever put in a bid for the player. I dont believe he was anything but a. B/C target we were keeping tabs on
 

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So sick of people hearing saying we cant expect the board to be committing to significant outlays due to covid. As others have mentioned, why go after sancho if thats the case. It seems like they expected to be able to negotiate the sancho price down significantly even though this was clearly unrealistic. This combined with the constant leaks to the media is making us seem like a bit of a joke
 

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I don't think that's true it all. It sounded like agent guff. There was very little to it. It was two lines written by Di Marzio wasn't it?
Manchester United are reportedly attempting to beat Arsenal to the signature of Lille's Gabriel Magalhaes.
The Gunners are believed to be in pole position to land the central defender, who is expected to leave his French club in a £22m deal, potentially before the end of the month.

However, according to Italian journalist Gianluca Di Marzio, United have now made a late move for the Brazilian, holding talks with his representatives over a potential deal.


Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's side are believed to be keen on bringing a new centre-back to the club this summer due to the uncertainty surrounding the futures of Marcos Rojo, Chris Smalling and Phil Jones.

Gabriel, who has also been linked with Napoli as the Italians seek a long-term replacement for Kalidou Koulibaly, made 34 appearances for Lille last term, including six outings in the Champions League.




Meanwhile, United are said to be on the verge of agreeing a lucrative new deal with Dean Henderson.

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footba...o-hijack-arsenal-move-for-gabriel_411014.html


 

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Manchester United are reportedly attempting to beat Arsenal to the signature of Lille's Gabriel Magalhaes.
The Gunners are believed to be in pole position to land the central defender, who is expected to leave his French club in a £22m deal, potentially before the end of the month.

However, according to Italian journalist Gianluca Di Marzio, United have now made a late move for the Brazilian, holding talks with his representatives over a potential deal.


Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's side are believed to be keen on bringing a new centre-back to the club this summer due to the uncertainty surrounding the futures of Marcos Rojo, Chris Smalling and Phil Jones.

Gabriel, who has also been linked with Napoli as the Italians seek a long-term replacement for Kalidou Koulibaly, made 34 appearances for Lille last term, including six outings in the Champions League.




Meanwhile, United are said to be on the verge of agreeing a lucrative new deal with Dean Henderson.

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footba...o-hijack-arsenal-move-for-gabriel_411014.html


That's all well and good but Di Marzio wrote this:

The following 48 hours could be decisive for the future of Gabriel dos Santos Magalhaes, class 1997 Lille's central defender.
The Brazilian has been in Napoli's viewfinder for months, and Napoli has asked some time to the player waiting to understand the circumstances around the possible transfer of Koulibaly to Manchester City.
As it stands, Arsenal seem the favorite club to sign the player, with a 26 + 4 million offer: the same amount offered by Napoli. But today Manchester United has joined the race for the defender, asking itself some time. A proper auction, but with tight deadlines: Gabriel would like to decide his future within 48 hours, and the weekend could bring new developments.



https://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/man...briel-he-would-like-to-decide-within-48-hours


Everything else is embellishment.
 

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That's all well and good but Di Marzio wrote this:

The following 48 hours could be decisive for the future of Gabriel dos Santos Magalhaes, class 1997 Lille's central defender.
The Brazilian has been in Napoli's viewfinder for months, and Napoli has asked some time to the player waiting to understand the circumstances around the possible transfer of Koulibaly to Manchester City.
As it stands, Arsenal seem the favorite club to sign the player, with a 26 + 4 million offer: the same amount offered by Napoli. But today Manchester United has joined the race for the defender, asking itself some time. A proper auction, but with tight deadlines: Gabriel would like to decide his future within 48 hours, and the weekend could bring new developments.



https://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/man...briel-he-would-like-to-decide-within-48-hours


Everything else is embellishment.

So they let Arsenal get close, set the price, and tried to join the race right?
 

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So they let Arsenal get close, set the price, and tried to join the race right?
I think they are really out of sorts with how much cash they can pay upfront depending on how Dortmund agree to structure Sancho's payment. If Dortmund hold on and drag their feet, there's a real chance you might get Sancho at the deadline and nothing else.
 

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It can't be understated how much of a disgrace this window has been so far.

Once again we are willingly letting the team regress after we see the first bit of progress in two years.

Disgrace to the fans.
Why do you think the team regress? By not signing anyone? Liverpool only spent 10m last season, and look what happen.
 

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Why do you think the team regress? By not signing anyone?
There's a saying in football that if your not moving forward your moving backwards especially when those around you are making moves.

Yes if we do t strenghen we will for sure be risking regression. It happened under LVG and Jose with is.

Also it usually has long lasting effects so it isn't something we can afford to risk.

Also Ole hates his backup options and basically refuses to use his bench as he knows he can't depend on them so to go into another season knowing that would be suicide.
 

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Yep, might be right but we are not alone. Maybe those managers were not given long enough?
Its more that each successive manager had different styles. E.g. LVG possession based style and signings, followed by Jose and his anti possession counter attack. That meant most of the money spent under LVG was wasted and we had to start from scratch.
 

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You meant Maguire? He didn't go through Leicester youth system or being there at the time. Chilwell made Leceister debut only in the cup competitions when Leceister won the league. Even him couldn't get a PL winner medal, let alone someone playing for other club.
What's Maguire's first name? Didn't say he went through the youth system. Never mention Chilwell and the rest I have idea what you are on about. All I said was PL winning English Wc playing CB is going to cost more than the LB from the same team.
 

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What's Maguire's first name? Didn't say he went through the youth system. Never mention Chilwell and the rest I have idea what you are on about. All I said was PL winning English Wc playing CB is going to cost more than the LB from the same team.
Maguire was not at Leicester when they won the league. WTF
 

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What's Maguire's first name? Didn't say he went through the youth system. Never mention Chilwell and the rest I have idea what you are on about. All I said was PL winning English Wc playing CB is going to cost more than the LB from the same team.
He was relegated with Hull City when Leicester won the league. He almost got relegated with Leicester when he moved there.

We overpaid for an average CB. That's just the sad reality
 

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Its more that each successive manager had different styles. E.g. LVG possession based style and signings, followed by Jose and his anti possession counter attack. That meant most of the money spent under LVG was wasted and we had to start from scratch.
It's hard though as the pool is very shallow of managers who are available at the time. Some managers play the same but they would never be considered to manage us. It's arguable that if the players were better, they would be able to adapt to any coach and style of football...
 

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He was relegated with Hull City when Leicester won the league. He almost got relegated with Leicester when he moved there.

We overpaid for an average CB. That's just the sad reality
So shoot me but it remains the same. Never made any reference to whether he was good or not, people are saying Chilwell was good value at 50m and we overpaid for Harry. My view is we were never gonna get him much cheaper than what we paid give or take a few million.
 

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It's hard though as the pool is very shallow of managers who are available at the time. Some managers play the same but they would never be considered to manage us. It's arguable that if the players were better, they would be able to adapt to any coach and style of football...
Other clubs manage with succession planning. Its just another glaring error from Woodward.

LVG signed possession based midgets and Jose wanted anti possession, counter attacking giants like Pogba and Lukaku! You couldn't pick two less compatible management styles if you tried.

That one example of zero succession planning and football knowledge will have cost the club hundreds of millions of pounds, wasted.
 

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Other clubs manage with succession planning. Its just another glaring error from Woodward.

LVG signed possession based midgets and Jose wanted anti possession, counter attacking giants like Pogba and Lukaku! You couldn't pick two less compatible management styles if you tried.

That one example of zero succession planning and football knowledge will have cost the club hundreds of millions of pounds, wasted.
Top clubs have historically struggled. Also how can you plan on the basis of the person you have just appointed will fail? It's like planning your next wife on your wedding day......only way you can succession plan is when you appoint from within.
 

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Looks like United have signed some guy called Pogba. Well done Ed. Close the thread.
 

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Apart from Sancho, who are we actually linked with?

We keep hearing we are in the market for a CB and a CM, but where are the names?

Even the Brooks links have been quashed.
 

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Apart from Sancho, who are we actually linked with?

We keep hearing we are in the market for a CB and a CM, but where are the names?

Even the Brooks links have been quashed.
Are we even linked with Sancho anymore? That's gone dead too. Hopefully the silence regarding any potential transfers doesn't indicate that we aren't actually currently pursuing anyone
 

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Massive update from my favourite ITK, Ed02 from the ManchesterUnitedRumours site. He’s not a big fan of Utd so you’ll have to forgive the tone of some of it, but he has given extremely accurate information on many, many occasions so worth a read.

Ed02 said:
Potential Departures:

Dean Henderson (G) Wanted to return to Sheffield United - no stuck in no man's land.
Diogo Dalot (RB) at the price a potentially viable solution for Spurs but MU could price him out of a move.
Chris Smalling (CB) The amateurs blocked a move to Italy by asking too much - now stuck with the player they will be offering him around the Premier League.
Phil Jones (CB) will want to see what his options are but will be available.
Marcos Rojo (LWB/ CB) not wanted - Fiorentina were interested but MU blocked the move and ended up on loan at Estudiantes. They want to keep him on loan for the last year of his contract - or could buy him for perhaps €5M spread over the season and the player wishes to stay there. Another that I can see ending in tears. There are limitations where he could move to. Manchester United are of course not assisting and are pricing him out of a move to Estudiantes, who really only want another loan in any case - that would give Manchester United a loan fee as his contract runs down. Stuck with another player that will be offered around.
Cameron Borthwick-Jackson (CM) Joined Oldham after being released from his contract.
Angel Gomes (AM/ CM) has moved to Lille and gone on loan after they mapped out their plan for him.
Paul Pogba (CM/ AM) wants out but his options are not good and Manchester United have not so far been open to taking players in part exchange from Juventus. Mino has spoken with Paratici in recent days and will now be putting Manchester on the spot over a very expensive new contract with some good size payments being made to have it signed.
Tahith Chong (RW) wanted out but persuaded to stay and go on loan to Werder Bremen.
Andreas Pereira (AM) Benfica offer him an option.
Jesse Lingard (RW/ AM) knows that Manchester United see him as potentially being surplus to requirements at Old Trafford and that the current coach is not keen on him - so, not unreasonably. there is an ad hoc agreement with Mino that allows him to look for other options for the player. Right now I am aware there have been approaches to several sides and that the couple who showed some interest have moved on. Interest in England I am told is thin on the ground although at least two sides have been approached.
Juan Mata (AM/ RW) Was expected to move on in the summer, possibly back to Valencia, but now not so clear and he will probably stay.
Largie Ramazani (LW/ RW) Has been released.
Deji Sotona (LW) another kiddie who wants out - a "third party" has explained that the kid sees no plan for himself going forward and has made it clear that Manchester United is not the place for him to be. There are options away from England but Manchester United want him to stay.
Alexis Sanchez (LW/ F) Inter have a continued loan. Another financial disaster for the club.

Potential Interest:

At the start of this season the expectation was that the club would look to DM, CM, CM/ AM, W/ F and S as needed over two transfer windows (January and now) but I suspect the club will prioritise CM/ LM/ AM (e. g. a Jack Grealish), S (e. g. Ighalo) and a W/ F (e. g. Costa) and then a couple of youngsters (e. g. Joe Hugill (S) and the kid from Barcelona) .
Previously a DM would have been a target, but a new contract for Matic has delayed the immediate need so the interest in Rice, Zakaria, Soumare, Llorente and Thiago has gone for this summer, at least for now and possibly for good as they may not be available next summer. A versatile left sided CM/ AM (ideally Jack Grealish) is still wanted. The club need to decide what to do about adding a striker with Odion Ighalo being the low-cost option post his loan ending in January. There are other youngsters the club have an interest in and could still look to cherry-pick like Ricky-Jade Jones and Kalvin Phillips. Then the issue shifts to players departing to make space. Saul Niguez (CM), Donny van de Beek (CM) and Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (CM) would have been available to replace Paul Pogba but it is looking unlikely now that Pogba will depart and they can now be discounted. All look to be moving elsewhere now.
The situation with Sancho (RW/ LW) remains unchanged in that he is wanted but the cost is an issue which is opening up options like Ferran Torres (can now realistically be discounted), Chiesa (borderline whether anything would now be possible) and now with a third party stepping in and proposing Kingsley Coman.
In terms of GKs and the defence, Manchester United has looked at a couple of GKs but no approach has been made. In terms of CBs, even if Smalling and Jones were to be sold there is no space for an addition without a couple more being sold. Interest in the likes of Kalidou Koulibaly (too old and price would need to halve and in discussions about a move elsewhere), Jean-Clair Todibo (was offered to the club), Milan Skriniar (huge asking price and involved in discussions about a move elsewhere) and Marash Kumbulla (heading elsewhere) is not being pressed.
Dominik Livakovic (G) Manchester United are again looking at a player they looked at when Mr Mourinho was coach and was almost signed by Montpellier in the summer. Dinamo Zagreb have very significant financial expectations for Livakovic which has likely driven off long-term admiraers Galatasaray.
Josip Posavec (G) well respected Hadjuk Split goalkeeper watched by Manchester United, Marseille and Hamburg.
Gabriel Magalhaes (CB) Late approach will go nowhere. Flake.
Kalvin Phillips (DM/ CM) has been watched but I would not expect anything to come of it in the short term after Leeds were promoted.
Ricky-Jade Jones (CM/ AM) A kiddie from Peterborough that Leeds, Arsenal and Manchester United looked to strike a deal for in January. Spurs, Liverpool and Everton have all had scouts watch him as well. Leeds will push if they get promoted. Peterborough will look to hold on to him.
Jack Grealish (CM/ AM/ LM) remains viable for Manchester United as he can play on the left and in a more attacking role - Aston Villa have an FFP issue - MU may well look to exploit that as he offers something different to Bruno Fernandes and other options are off the table at present. AV may not be looking to slash his asking price accordingly during the C.V. There has been interest from Spurs but that will have likely have gone now and he was watched by Arsenal as apotential Oezil replacement.
James Rodriguez (AM/ RW/ LW) - a high end Columbian is wanted in Miami with JR the preferred choice, but JR will want more time in Europe with Juventus and Manchester United the preference. Juventus were open to replacing Dybala and have lost out on Eriksen and expect their first choice AM player to complete a move elsewhere, so James Rodriguez might well be an option but right now that is unlikely. Manchester United still want an AM who can cover the left and offer something different to Bruno Fernandes. The preference is Grealish but JR is a far cheaper option in transfer fee but has huge wage demands. Wolves have "strong ties" with JM but a move there remains very unlikely given their financial problems and FFP punishment.
Jadon Sancho (RW) The amateurs knew the situation yet still wasted everyone's time. Reputationally another disaster leaves the club looking at options.
Douglas Costa (RW) may be an economic short to middle-term solution for Manchester United.
Federico Bernardeschi (RW/ AM) A Barcelona move was rejected in January, but he will be available in the summer. Bernardeschi's opportunities have been in decline on the RW and he has had to play out of position which has not worked out. Milan have dropped prior interest whilst both Atletico Madrid and Inter Milan are not interested in any exchange deals involving him. Player wants to stay in Turin or would be open to a move to London - which will see him offered to Chelsea as part of a trade or to Manchester United for Pogba (although that now looks unlikely) . Might be an option to Douglsas Costa.
Federico Chiesa (RW/ F) much more affordable than Sancho but Inter remain keen although talks are now on hold. Fiorentina are willing to sell in the summer for €65M in cash.
David Brooks (RW) Emerging Sancho alternative.
Facundo Pellistri (RW) Newcastle, Lyon, Wolves, Chelsea, Manchester City, Maritimo, Manchester United and Oviedo have looked Pellistri. His agent has approached Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid to gauge interest in Spain - which would likely be the preferred destination. A third party approached Chelsea and Juventus when they were watching a Copa Libertadores game he was playing in. Manchester United have spoken with his coach, Diego Forlan. Not one for the first team so will not solve the immediate problem.
Ousmane Dembele (RW) knows that his time is up in Barcelona and that options are few. Barcelona have him on their lengthy list for sale or trade and he could be the only way they could do something with Neymar this summer. There is no reason to assume a move to England would be out of the question - perhaps even a move to the grim, wet and cobbled streets Northwest of England where there would be a significant cultural change, overweight tattooed women pushing wheelchairs with kids who look like their brothers, smog, dead and dying pit ponies laying on the street with only chips and fried curry to eat. I would scratch him.
Moussa Dembele (S) If the right offer is made he may be available, there has been sustained interest from Manchester United and the asking price has dropped to about €60M.
Callum Wilson (S) Bournemouth have given permission to their players to speak with other clubs and Manchester United might just look again - but I suspect he will head elsewhere.
Joe Hugill (S) Has signed for the academy.}
 

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Imagine how depressing a job being a scout for Man Utd is. Unless you are dealing with the academy that has its own recruitment process you might as well be watching Netflix all day for the good your work does.
Yeah just look at Alphonso Davies
 

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I keep hearing and seeing people say that Fernandes was bought with this summers budget. Why though?

When you think about it Fernandes was technically bought for nothing. Without signing him we would most definately have finished outside the top four. That’s £30-£40 million of CL money that we wouldn’t have got. Then there is the reduction in our shirt sponsorship, probably another £20 million less.

That’s £50-£60 million that signing him has ensured we will get paid which wipes out his transfer fee. Best free signing ever?;):D
You obviously don’t understand how accounting or managing a balance sheet works. Or just just being deliberately facetious.
 

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Massive update from my favourite ITK, Ed02 from the ManchesterUnitedRumours site. He’s not a big fan of Utd so you’ll have to forgive the tone of some of it, but he has given extremely accurate information on many, many occasions so worth a read.
Alexis Sanchez (LW/ F) Inter have a continued loan. Another financial disaster for the club.

and we're supposed to trust this garbage :lol: