I respect your optimism but it is now obvious that Dormund want 120mil. We don't want to pay that much. So you all believe that Ed will give that 120mil? I wish that i am optimistic like all of you
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Its Euros not pounds, its always been the case.
I know. I always speak in euros
Hmmm. No. Transfer requests only exist in british football. Sancho handing in a transfer request = his agent tells dortmund he wants to leave. That's it. It does not waive anything unless Sancho/his agents also tell BvB they waive whatever % of the fee they're owed(this submitted in writing)
Those situations were different. These rumors were never as dead as Sancho to United currently is. In the BVB forum on transfermarkt.de, the Sancho thread quietly resides on the third page, the last post on August 26 about a video clip of him nutmegging a team mate in training - that's how much it bothers BVB fans currently. The thread about the rumor has been closed since August 10. This saga is only still on in England. I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you - to me it seems as if this is kept alive artificially to grind some attention from United/EPL fans. Zorc leaned himself out of the window far too much to eat his words at this stage unless Sancho goes into strike or something. And currently he doesn't seem to bother too much.
If there still are talks then I guess it's about a transfer in the next window and journos are leaving that detail out deliberately.
Don't come here talking reason okay mate? We only need people who are saying that this is alive, because United started feeding their muppets with ''right sided winger'' and forgot the word ''Sancho''.
But yeah, as soon as reports came out that Edward offered paycut for Sancho and 60 mil for Dortmund i knew this was going tits up. I think our whole budget for this season was 120 mil (108 mil) so we will buy 2 players more, both for 30-40 mil.
Thats to you though cause we never do this. Whenever interest is dead for a player we never waste time briefing it and transfer forums being closed mean very little as they just follow media hype with zero information about what is actually going on behind the scenes. Sancho himself wont need to strike if we pay the money as thats the only thing that will determine this transfer not principles or sending a message. If we pay up he leaves if not he stays.
Our silence based off yesterday shows it was us working on other deals first rather than this being dead
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I didn't say you did it. Wouldn't make sense, obviously, but it sure does for journalists.
It's also not about sending a message. Dortmund probably had a gentlemen's agreement with Sancho that he could leave if a club is willing to pay 120m for him until August 10. Given he extended his contract last season, they never really wanted to sell him in the first place. Why would they? They can profit from him for another season and still get the same money next year since he's under contract until 2023.
And yes, rumor threads can be shut down quite easily but don't you think that Dortmund fans would be up in arms and discussing this topic when there was any indication that Zorc could eat his words and sell him this window? People don't even talk about that anymore, the rumor is dead in Germany. Nobody even considers the transfer over here anymore, Zorc's statement is perceived as set in stone. It's really extreme how different the perception of all that in both countries is. Not even slightly comparable with Dembele and Aubameyang.
The reactions if Sancho would move now would be disastrous for Dortmund.
Oh God that probably means it's off
No. However, you have some twitter ITK's that need to keep posting to keep their numbers up and muppets that need to feed. So, apparently it is still on .
I have been of the opinion the whole Summer and have stated on numerous occasions that this deal doesn't make any sense from a Dortmund and to an extent Sancho perspective this Summer. If I am wrong, great.
I can't see us going for Sancho if we get VdB and are going after Upamecano.
Upamecano may not be true though.
Upamecano may not be true though.
VDB, Sancho and a defender looks like the plan to me.
Why? If anything, it's quite the oposite. United are still working on the deal and thus not giving up just yet
That would be huge but can't see that. We shall see.
People willfully look for the negative in everything, its bonkers.
Was there any factual backup to the rumours that Matt Judge flew to Cologne?
A plane went from London, one of the biggest financial cities in the world, to Cologne, another big financial city.
Who else than Judge could it be.
Sam still reckons its related to an inability to agree wages too, which is at odds to Romano. I think Sam is massively off the mark on this, and in general for that matter
As for the plane muppeting, no one else seems to have caught on that yesterday the plane first went from the french riviera (Nice Cote d'Azur) to London.
So maybe it was picking up Woodward from his hols, back to London for a change of clothes. Stopped by Amsterdam to deliver the bid for Donny in person and then off to Cologne to secure Jadon.
Funnily enough the plane also went directly from Cologne back to the french riviera this morning, so I guess it's a done dealio already.
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/OEFBD#flightPageActivityLog
So maybe it was picking up Woodward from his hols, back to London for a change of clothes. Stopped by Amsterdam to deliver the bid for Donny in person and then off to Cologne to secure Jadon.
Funnily enough the plane also went directly from Cologne back to the french riviera this morning, so I guess it's a done dealio already.
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/OEFBD#flightPageActivityLog
I'll keep refreshing twitter today then haha
My favourite part of a saga. Plane tracking, whether it's a player, agents or executives
Tracking Matt Judge is a new oneMy favourite part of a saga. Plane tracking, whether it's a player, agents or executives
And now he's in Geneva to sort it out with the bank. It all makes sense.
Remember that the intermediaries for this deal are both swiss though,however I am probably way off the mark there
So Woodward offered them a ride home from Cologne after the done dealio then.
After first going back on hols himself of course.
Classic Eddy.
The bigger question here is why Falk does not push for this story to be put in any of the publications of the BILD-Group given that he is one of their head reporters and would absolutely get a high amount of reactions given the public comments of Dortmunds head officials. Ongoing negotiations would directly contradict that the matter is closed from Dortmunds side.
It is also not only BILD, either. Literally nobody in Germany is reporting about these talks. I personally would have expected at least one paper to jump on the rumours in England if only for the hope to get a big exclusive out of it but not even that has happened. If this deal is indeed still ongoing it would be one of the most onesided reported transfer sagas I have ever seen. Usually if a Transfer concerns two different leagues and countries, you get informations from both sides or at least one side fully reporting the others informations. If you would exclusively follow German sports media you would have no idea that the deal is not buried.
It goes even further than that, though. Not only is there no talk about these negotiations, there are also no rumours about Dortmund trying to sign an offensive midfielder. The ones that existed like Memphis Depay have dried out and are now far more frequently linked with other Clubs. I said it before in this thread, but links to other offensive players would probably be one of the best ways to gauge how far along These supposed talks have advanced. Given their current financial situation the sale of a player would be a requirement for them to spend any significant money on another and the only one who is even rumoured to leave is Sancho.
No matter how much some posters believe to understand how Borussia Dortmund is run and what goals they pursue, but anyone who has gained any kind of insight to the Club will very likely agree with one thing: Borussia Dortmund won´t sell Jadon Sancho unless they have either enough time to sign a replacement (that ship has probably sailed by now) or have already someone suitable secured. Sancho won´t leave Dortmund unless there is a successor in place. This is simply not how Dortmund operates and would invite a massive backlash not only by the press but the majority of the fanbase. They won´t sell their best player of the last season just to sit on a mountain of cash without a target to spend the money on. Sancho is too important for them for that.
We need to just pay the money, we had no issue paying £80mill for Maguire. BVB aren’t going to budge on their price.
Messi potentially leaving Barca does change the landscape for Sancho but in a far worse way IMO. Sancho wants to return to England, so I doubt he considers a move to Spain. What may happen is that Barca would use the Messi transfer funds to target one of Mane or Salah. If the dippers do sell, which they may do to cash out one either one in their prime, is then use those funds to get Sancho. Considering they’ll likely pocket £80 million or more for each player means they can offer a larger sum up front to Dortmund. Ed cannot overplay his hand here.
You're basing this scenario on the fact that Barca would plunk the entire amount of money for Mane or Salah which buy all accounts, they don't have yet. Furthermore, Barca need to buy a lot of players. I don't see them spending that much on one player in this window or the next. Therefore, Liverpool would not be able to afford Sancho. They haven't bought Thiago yet for some reason and he's cheap. If Barca go for Wijnaldum then Thiago to Liverpool could move forward.
I still think we'll get Sancho this summer. It's a big deal and will take time. United will pay up in the end as always.
I just can't see Barcelona trying to get Sancho. They would need a bigger name to please the fans. Forking out €120 million on a player most Barca-fans hardly have seen play, simply wouldn't do it.
He's also not claiming they would
.Stay strong muppets. We’ll get this over the line
I don't understand these Sancho to Barca/Real etc posts. I've read that the reason he wants to leave Germany is because he's homesick and wants to come back to the UK, so why would he move from Germany to Spain, or France etc if he's so homesick? Or maybe the homesick thing has been created by the media to try and justify a move away from Dortmund?
Honestly, percentage wise, what do we think are our chances of signing Sancho?
I was initially quite optimistic, but I'm going to say it's somewhere around the 30% mark now. Just because I think we'll chicken out of spending so much on one player. Not even sure if "chicken out" is the right term, since it is a lot, but you get the sentiment.
I'd say we're more likely to go for Grealish and leave the Sancho deal for now, and maybe revisit it in a year's time.
I was initially quite optimistic, but I'm going to say it's somewhere around the 30% mark now. Just because I think we'll chicken out of spending so much on one player. Not even sure if "chicken out" is the right term, since it is a lot, but you get the sentiment.
I'd say we're more likely to go for Grealish and leave the Sancho deal for now, and maybe revisit it in a year's time.
I read a T1 reporter for Ajax said we got VdB instead of Sancho.
Anyone know who/when?
Seems like this might be dead in the water?
Ah, found it :
Mike Verweij (Tier 1 for Ajax) article in De Telegraaf (Tier 2) about us wrapping up Van de Beek, threw in this bit:
Anyone know who/when?
Seems like this might be dead in the water?
Ah, found it :
Mike Verweij (Tier 1 for Ajax) article in De Telegraaf (Tier 2) about us wrapping up Van de Beek, threw in this bit:
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/1184990269/opeens-wilde-de-hele-wereld-donny-van-de-beek
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2 entirely different positions and different amounts. Doesn’t make sense. If we buy Grealish perhaps for 80m, that might be considered to be a replacement.
If there's no source I don't see it personally, signing a CM instead of a RW? makes no sense.
Plus reading about someone reading a T1 report is more of a tertiary source unless proved otherwise.
You are kidding right.
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