Sergio Reguilón

[DJ_21]

Would give us good competition for the LB spot and will make Luke Shaws game raise.

 

[AneRu]

they know Man Utd will not even discuss such a clause, it’s a no go from the start. As such, if they are willing to sell to us, it will be without any such clauses - or no deal

I know we are a big club and value long term stability above all else but in this instance we'd be fools not to entertain the thought especially if it involves a £15m profit. Suppose we buy him for £30m and agree a £45m pound buyback clause, we'd have basically loaned Real Madrid £30m plus a hefty interest for the pleasure of using their player.

 

[Rozay]

And yet he has shown promise on the right when he played there for the small amount that he played there, so you are wrong there. Laird being better than Williams in the past is irrelevant to the present, just because that has been the way in the past does not mean it will always remain the same. Your 'tragectory' is irrelevant and proven wrong when one is part of the first team set up and the other is not. Predicting how a player develops is next to impossible. Also, none among us know the circumstance that got Williams picked first, so better not to talk about things that we are not knowledgeable about. Never said Williams is seasoned, yet he has shown more than Laird has so far.

The club can decide to give the youth LB a chance ahead of the youth RB, if he has been available, stayed fit and think he is showing more in training and been more impressive than the youth RB. The fact that you think a right footed LB has to play on the left just because he did so in the academy is ridiculous. The first team is a completely different set up, what happened in the academy is irrelevant to right now. Laird needs to first get over his injuries and take the chance when it arrives, then we can talk about who get to play RB. The irony here is you are talking about how unproven Williams is at RB, when Laird is unproven entirely at 1st team level.

He’s barely played on the right. If you think he’s played enough there to be considered to have shown promise, then I will say that I am equally encouraged by Laird’s two first team outings at right back so far too then (not including is EFL Cup games where he was especially impressive).

The circumstances of Williams promotion is obvious to anyone not choosing to play a game of ‘well did Ole tell you himself?’. Shaw was, predictably, injured - and Young could not play twice a week at 35. Dalot was also injured as was Fosu-Mensah. Ole is a youth focused manager, and Williams was the reserve team left back, and was next in line. Laird was the reserve team right back. Only a man in denial would claim that, had the injury crisis occurred at right back instead of left back, and Laird and Williams both been fit, that Williams would have been picked to play RB ahead of Laird. The order of things means nothing. Williams could have made his debut before Greenwood down to circumstance with injury in the first team, or Greenwood himself being injured when we wanted to put him in. It has no bearing at all on who is a bigger talent.

I also said above that the right footed youth left back is not bound to be a left back forever. I said that he is simply not a better right back than the right back. Laird isn’t 16. They are the same age, and he’s a right back and Williams has been a left back. He also hasn’t been as good a player full stop. The only reason he could possibly be considered ahead of Laird in his favoured position is the fact that he has more first team games. But that is easily changed. He isn’t seasoned, he’s had 20 odd games, and that 20 has presented at least as many questions as answers, so the simple fact that he’s just ‘been’ in the first team means little.

By the way you’re talking Williams should play in midfield before James Garner because he got in to the squad first. His first team career is in no way long enough, or convincing enough in my opinion, to be saying that he should play ahead of bigger talents than him. In the grand scheme of things, it’s all much of a muchness. He’s very new to first team football himself and again, not a seasoned experienced pro.

He should be ahead if Laird at LB, but not ahead of a RB who is the same age as him and has always been considered a better player, at RB.

 

[red thru&thru]

Will be good to see him, Pau Torres and Thiago tonight.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Will be good to see him, Pau Torres and Thiago tonight.

I don't know who Torres is but the more the merrier. I would delay the signing of Dayot and Jadon to Monday night, to give us time to recover from the vaseline poisoning.

 

[POF]

He’s barely played on the right. If you think he’s played enough there to be considered to have shown promise, then I will say that I am equally encouraged by Laird’s two first team outings at right back so far too then (not including is EFL Cup games where he was especially impressive).

The circumstances of Williams promotion is obvious to anyone not choosing to play a game of ‘well did Ole tell you himself?’. Shaw was, predictably, injured - and Young could not play twice a week at 35. Dalot was also injured as was Fosu-Mensah. Ole is a youth focused manager, and Williams was the reserve team left back, and was next in line. Laird was the reserve team right back. Only a man in denial would claim that, had the injury crisis occurred at right back instead of left back, and Laird and Williams both been fit, that Williams would have been picked to play RB ahead of Laird. The order of things means nothing. Williams could have made his debut before Greenwood down to circumstance with injury in the first team, or Greenwood himself being injured when we wanted to put him in. It has no bearing at all on who is a bigger talent.

I also said above that the right footed youth left back is not bound to be a left back forever. I said that he is simply not a better right back than the right back. Laird isn’t 16. They are the same age, and he’s a right back and Williams has been a left back. He also hasn’t been as good a player full stop. The only reason he could possibly be considered ahead of Laird in his favoured position is the fact that he has more first team games. But that is easily changed. He isn’t seasoned, he’s had 20 odd games, and that 20 has presented at least as many questions as answers, so the simple fact that he’s just ‘been’ in the first team means little.

By the way you’re talking Williams should play in midfield before James Garner because he got in to the squad first. His first team career is in no way long enough, or convincing enough in my opinion, to be saying that he should play ahead of bigger talents than him. In the grand scheme of things, it’s all much of a muchness. He’s very new to first team football himself and again, not a seasoned experienced pro.

He should be ahead if Laird at LB, but not ahead of a RB who is the same age as him and has always been considered a better player, at RB.

I know you've got a massive hard on for Laird (you must be into triple figures now for "Laird is better than Williams" posts) but you're being a bit disrespectful to Williams here. His initial selection was not completely out of the blue or because they had nobody else. Williams was named in the Champions League squad for the PSG game ahead of Lee O'Connor (at a time when that seemed unusual).

The club has obviously earmarked Williams as a potential first team player for some time. I can see why. Maybe he's not the most talented but he's got great character, has strong leadership qualities and the way he handled the step up to senior football was really impressive.

Laird hasn't done that yet and, talented as he may well be, there is no guarantee that he will.

If there was a big game tomorrow and the only options for right back were Williams and Laird, I'd be amazed if they didn't select Williams.

 

[Rozay]

I know you've got a massive hard on for Laird (you must be into triple figures now for "Laird is better than Williams" posts) but you're being a bit disrespectful to Williams here. His initial selection was not completely out of the blue or because they had nobody else. Williams was named in the Champions League squad for the PSG game ahead of Lee O'Connor (at a time when that seemed unusual).

The club has obviously earmarked Williams as a potential first team player for some time. I can see why. Maybe he's not the most talented but he's got great character, has strong leadership qualities and the way he handled the step up to senior football was really impressive.

Laird hasn't done that yet and, talented as he may well be, there is no guarantee that he will.

If there was a big game tomorrow and the only options for right back were Williams and Laird, I'd be amazed if they didn't select Williams.

Lee O’Connor is an irrelevance to be fair. Other than a small Redcafe cult, there was little to suggest that he was seen as a serious long term first teamer. He also spent most of his reserve career playing at centre half.

I don’t think I’m being disrespectful to Williams at all. If we are being totally honest, he was not seriously pushing for a first team place before hand. That doesn’t mean that he couldn’t have made it, but he didn’t get put into the first team shortly after his 19th birthday because he was a prodigy is all I’m saying. Laird has always been in that ‘prodigy’ category.

Under normal/ideal circumstances - I imagine Williams would have gone on loan in January. As a talent, he was no more highly rated than the likes of Garner and Levitt who are going on loan. In fact, I’d say he’s generally been less highly rated than those two. Definitely less so than Garner at the very least.

The order in which debuts are handed out are dependent on a number of factors. Williams impressed enough people when he got his chance, and has stayed in the squad, but his brief career in comparison to a rival who hasn’t yet had that chance doesn’t make him better. You could say that if there were a big game tomorrow and we needed a RB between Williams and Laird, we’d pick Williams, and I suspect you’re right. Safety first and all that. I’m just as confident that if there was a big game at the point Williams made his debut and we needed a right back between the two, and both were fit, we’d absolutely choose Laird. Not only because he’s better than Williams, but mainly because he’s the one who plays right back out of the two! Again, Laird can also play LB, but I have no issue with Williams being ahead in that position at the moment. It makes sense. But he shouldn’t be ahead of Laird as a RB option based on a small number of LB games in the first team, discounting everything the club know of the two their whole lives.

 

[red thru&thru]

I don't know who Torres is but the more the merrier. I would delay the signing of Dayot and Jadon to Monday night, to give us time to recover from the vaseline poisoning.

Hahaha.

Torres is a cb we've been linked with. I've never seen him play.

 

[Ace of Spades]

He’s barely played on the right. If you think he’s played enough there to be considered to have shown promise, then I will say that I am equally encouraged by Laird’s two first team outings at right back so far too then (not including is EFL Cup games where he was especially impressive).

The argument is that you said Williams has shown nothing at RB, but he clearly has shown 'something'. Laird in those two games was anonymous, and certainly did not show more than Williams. Again, be encouraged by Laird all you want, but Williams was encouraging as well. So I don't see why you are shitting on one player and acting as he can't play RB, and putting your hopes on another who has shown even less than the former.

The circumstances of Williams promotion is obvious to anyone not choosing to play a game of ‘well did Ole tell you himself?’. Shaw was, predictably, injured - and Young could not play twice a week at 35. Dalot was also injured as was Fosu-Mensah. Ole is a youth focused manager, and Williams was the reserve team left back, and was next in line. Laird was the reserve team right back. Only a man in denial would claim that, had the injury crisis occurred at right back instead of left back, and Laird and Williams both been fit, that Williams would have been picked to play RB ahead of Laird. The order of things means nothing. Williams could have made his debut before Greenwood down to circumstance with injury in the first team, or Greenwood himself being injured when we wanted to put him in. It has no bearing at all on who is a bigger talent.

No, the circumstances are not 'obvious' to anyone, apart from guesswork. Laird can play at LB as well, and if the coaches believed he was ready, he would have been pushed ahead of Williams, irrespective if Williams was playing LB for academy at the time. Maybe the coaches thought Williams was more ready to be thrust into the team at that point, who knows. The point is no one knows, and anyone trying to talk about knowing the circumstances are just trying to push their obvious agenda when they are clueless about what the coaches are planning and their reasoning. As for Greenwood, funny how he plays RW even though he played CF in the academy. By your own logic, Greenwood should not have been picked and if he did, he should only have played CF. Gomes was considered a huge talent, but he played the least out of the academy players that went on tour. Simply being considered a bigger talent means feck all, if you don't adapt to the 1st team football level, then you won't play much. In the end, bigger talent has no bearing at all to the current reality that Williams is ahead of Laird, whatever the circumstances.

I also said above that the right footed youth left back is not bound to be a left back forever. I said that he is simply not a better right back than the right back. Laird isn’t 16. They are the same age, and he’s a right back and Williams has been a left back. He also hasn’t been as good a player full stop. The only reason he could possibly be considered ahead of Laird in his favoured position is the fact that he has more first team games. But that is easily changed. He isn’t seasoned, he’s had 20 odd games, and that 20 has presented at least as many questions as answers, so the simple fact that he’s just ‘been’ in the first team means little.

I know they are similar ages, and yet Williams is ahead of him currently. Williams is a better player currently until Laird actually does something to disprove that. Just because Laird was considered a bigger talent than Williams previously means nothing, the same way your hypothetical scenarioe are meaningless. Right now, Williams is firmly in the 1st team set up after breaking trough, and Laird is not. That is the reality, and on merit. Williams has done well so far, that is not just 'being' in the first team as he is the back up to Shaw.

By the way you’re talking Williams should play in midfield before James Garner because he got in to the squad first. His first team career is in no way long enough, or convincing enough in my opinion, to be saying that he should play ahead of bigger talents than him. In the grand scheme of things, it’s all much of a muchness. He’s very new to first team football himself and again, not a seasoned experienced pro.

No, I am not talking that Williams should play before Garner in midfield, stop making strawman imaginary arguments up that I never made. His 1st team career is still more than Laird, who is still playing in the academy, and it is convincing enough that he should be given a chance at RB. Just because Laird is considered a bigger 'talent' means feck all. It is up to him to remain injury free, and be ready for whenever a call comes. So far, Williams has done well and done more, and so deserves to be ahead, irrespective of 'talent'. Laird needs to earn his place, if he can do it then great, if not then too bad.

He should be ahead if Laird at LB, but not ahead of a RB who is the same age as him and has always been considered a better player, at RB.

No, Williams deserves to be ahead of Laird as he is currently better, staying fit and always available to back up either Shaw or AWB if needed. So far, Williams is there on merit, Laird needs to do the same.

 

[RedNed77]

I’d guess Sevilla are low balling Madrid with a permanent transfer fee and we’re being used once again to drive up the price. Not sure how we catch up to the likes of Madrid by buying their offcasts.

 

[Relevated]

I’d guess Sevilla are low balling Madrid with a permanent transfer fee and we’re being used once again to drive up the price. Not sure how we catch up to the likes of Madrid by buying their offcasts.

Maybe it's a curious case of player x not being linked with man utd but recafe makes a fuss as if he is, the posts get some traction from media, then the story is invented

 

[Rozay]

The argument is that you said Williams has shown nothing at RB, but he clearly has shown 'something'. Laird in those two games was anonymous, and certainly did not show more than Williams. Again, be encouraged by Laird all you want, but Williams was encouraging as well. So I don't see why you are shitting on one player and acting as he can't play RB, and putting your hopes on another who has shown even less than the former.



No, the circumstances are not 'obvious' to anyone, apart from guesswork. Laird can play at LB as well, and if the coaches believed he was ready, he would have been pushed ahead of Williams, irrespective if Williams was playing LB for academy at the time. Maybe the coaches thought Williams was more ready to be thrust into the team at that point, who knows. The point is no one knows, and anyone trying to talk about knowing the circumstances are just trying to push their obvious agenda when they are clueless about what the coaches are planning and their reasoning. As for Greenwood, funny how he plays RW even though he played CF in the academy. By your own logic, Greenwood should not have been picked and if he did, he should only have played CF. Gomes was considered a huge talent, but he played the least out of the academy players that went on tour. Simply being considered a bigger talent means feck all, if you don't adapt to the 1st team football level, then you won't play much. In the end, bigger talent has no bearing at all to the current reality that Williams is ahead of Laird, whatever the circumstances.



I know they are similar ages, and yet Williams is ahead of him currently. Williams is a better player currently until Laird actually does something to disprove that. Just because Laird was considered a bigger talent than Williams previously means nothing, the same way your hypothetical scenarioe are meaningless. Right now, Williams is firmly in the 1st team set up after breaking trough, and Laird is not. That is the reality, and on merit. Williams has done well so far, that is not just 'being' in the first team as he is the back up to Shaw.



No, I am not talking that Williams should play before Garner in midfield, stop making strawman imaginary arguments up that I never made. His 1st team career is still more than Laird, who is still playing in the academy, and it is convincing enough that he should be given a chance at RB. Just because Laird is considered a bigger 'talent' means feck all. It is up to him to remain injury free, and be ready for whenever a call comes. So far, Williams has done well and done more, and so deserves to be ahead, irrespective of 'talent'. Laird needs to earn his place, if he can do it then great, if not then too bad.



No, Williams deserves to be ahead of Laird as he is currently better, staying fit and always available to back up either Shaw or AWB if needed. So far, Williams is there on merit, Laird needs to do the same.

To save time, we will simply see. There is no point in me getting dragged into a ‘you can’t prove what will happen in the future’ or ‘you can’t say that because it hasn’t happened yet’ argument. If you think Williams is currently ‘better’ than Laird, good luck to you. We will see in time.

 

[Mainoldo]

He ended being the opposite of what they said. Attacking rb turned out to be defensive rb.

Listen. All this the best RB in Italy nonsense.. don’t get Clyne get this guy(Even though Clyne was just as bad).

He best be Robertson’s Spanish cousin.

 

[flappyjay]

Listen. All this the best RB in Italy nonsense.. don’t get Clyne get this guy(Even though Clyne was just as bad).

He best be Robertson’s Spanish cousin.

That transfer taught me not to trust caf scouts.

 

[sillwuka]

He really is the epitome of the modern left back,.

Quite an exciting player who seems to be going full pelt when dribbling but the ball is always under control.

 

[tjb]

does anyone else got the feeling he would be forcing his way back to Real in a few years if Real want him? clause or no clause...
That's what I got from the AS article at least, maybe it is just BS though.

I won't really mind. I'd buy him to compete with Shaw at a reasonable price. If he then choses to leave a world class club that appreciates its players like us to go to Real, another world class club, then so be it. My point is, we are too big to worry about that type of thing. Players should not want to leave United, and the ones that do may not really understand what makes the club special.

 

[Leftback99]

Why? It surely isn't out of the realms of possibility that the club is actively looking at players to buy.

I just don't see us buying a left back after giving a big new contract to Williams. Even though I'd rather we did get one. Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[dinostar77]

I dont get why we would pursue this transfer. Yes he had a great season with sevilla but we have just signed two 17yr old fullbacks from Real Madrid and Barcelona respectively. We have enough cover for shaw and AWB at present. Potentially with Williams, Laird, alavaro fernandez and marc jurado we could have fullback positions covered for years.

 

[dutchred]

I just don't see us buying a left back after giving a big new contract to Williams. Even though I'd rather we did get one. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Williams long term future is at right back

 

[Isotope]

I know we are a big club and value long term stability above all else but in this instance we'd be fools not to entertain the thought especially if it involves a £15m profit. Suppose we buy him for £30m and agree a £45m pound buyback clause, we'd have basically loaned Real Madrid £30m plus a hefty interest for the pleasure of using their player.

When buying a player, you pay for sign off player and agent fee. That 15m won't be much left. If he becomes so bad, or has long-term injury, it's all on our risk as we have to keep him. If he's developing well, Madrid can come and get him anytime they want.

That's a shitty risk for a 10m. Unless if his buyout clause is so high to worth the risk.

 

[RDCR07]

I’d guess Sevilla are low balling Madrid with a permanent transfer fee and we’re being used once again to drive up the price. Not sure how we catch up to the likes of Madrid by buying their offcasts.

Do we really need to go there again? Sneidjer? Ozil? Di Maria? Robben? Just to name a few. Just cause Madrid throw them out doesn’t mean they are bad players. Sure Di Maria didn’t work for us but he is still a good player.

 

[Zoo]

Tweet

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Says United have bid €30m

 

[DarkXaero]

Tweet

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Are Sport reliable these days?

 

[croadyman]

Tweet

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Are Sport reliable these days?

Well they were talking about Wijnaldum to Barca the other night,however still need to hear something from a reliable source and that hasn't happened yet

 

[peridigm]

Williams long term future is at right back

Not anytime soon. At least at United.

 

[croadyman]

Not anytime soon. At least at United.

So are you saying it's unlikely we try and sign a LB then

 

[peridigm]

So are you saying it's unlikely we try and sign a LB then

I'm partially surprised we're linked with a LB this window. If we have a set budget to stay within, we have higher priority needs.
If we sign a LB, I don't see us signing a CB too, and visa versa.
I should have clarified, he won't be a starter at RB unless AWB is injured. Not much of an age difference between him and AWB to suggest he can wait his turn.

 

[croadyman]

Do we reckon he will be loaned out again or actually leave on a permanent deal

 

[RedNed77]

Do we really need to go there again? Sneidjer? Ozil? Di Maria? Robben? Just to name a few. Just cause Madrid throw them out doesn’t mean they are bad players. Sure Di Maria didn’t work for us but he is still a good player.

All of those had a pedigree prior to being a castoff.

 

[Alemar]

Not anytime soon. At least at United.

If Reguillon comes, it’s either at right back or in U23...

 

[Jacob]

Is there any proof we're remotely interested in him?

 

[croadyman]

I'm partially surprised we're linked with a LB this window. If we have a set budget to stay within, we have higher priority needs.
If we sign a LB, I don't see us signing a CB too, and visa versa.
I should have clarified, he won't be a starter at RB unless AWB is injured. Not much of an age difference between him and AWB to suggest he can wait his turn.

I am starting to think that maybe we are prepared to wait a year for Upamecano and go for a LB now,yes I will admit that is very risky to say the least but just starting to look that way.

 

[Rolaholic]

Hoping the news of us submitting a bid are true...

 

[croadyman]

Hoping the news of us submitting a bid are true...

Only positive is that three different spanish papers mentioned our interest,however don't know who is better out of AS/Marca for Madrid. I don't include SPORT as they are well known Barca mouthpiece.

 

[NoPace]

Tough to argue with loaning out Dalot to a team like Wolves (if they don't buy Maitland-Niles) or another Prem side to get minutes and go into the season like this:

LB: Shaw and Reguilon battling
RB: Wan-Bissaka starting backed up by Williams

and Laird can be the 3rd string RB with Williams the de-facto 3rd string LB.

 

[RDCR07]

Tough to argue with loaning out Dalot to a team like Wolves (if they don't buy Maitland-Niles) or another Prem side to get minutes and go into the season like this:

LB: Shaw and Reguilon battling
RB: Wan-Bissaka starting backed up by Williams

and Laird can be the 3rd string RB with Williams the de-facto 3rd string LB.

No use loaning him if he doesn’t have a future here. Sell him get 15-20m and move on.

 

[croadyman]

Notice quite a few people have tweeted Romano about this deal,reckon he is probably gathering information and will reply with something shortly.

Anyone know who the best sources are for transfers in Spain,in other words who is their version of Bouhafsi.

 

[VanGaalEra]

Notice quite a few people have tweeted Romano about this deal,reckon he is probably gathering information and will reply with something shortly.

Anyone know who the best sources are for transfers in Spain,in other words who is their version of Bouhafsi.

Ballague

 

[Adnan]

Notice quite a few people have tweeted Romano about this deal,reckon he is probably gathering information and will reply with something shortly.

Anyone know who the best sources are for transfers in Spain,in other words who is their version of Bouhafsi.

Reliable news for Real Madrid..

 

[Leethal]

Ballague

About as reliable as a Nigerian bank account