Sergio Reguilón

[LawCharltonBest]

Getting deja vu - This feels like one of those players who we refuse to sign for a bargain (like 20-30m?)

Then within a couple of seasons he is worth about 80-100m

And then you find out years later from someone who was employed by United at the time that United didn't sign him because "Madrid were too keen to sell" or "One foot was bigger than the other and United were worried about his balance"

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Getting deja vu - This feels like one of those players who we refuse to sign for a bargain (like 20-30m?)

Then within a couple of seasons he is worth about 80-100m

And then you find out years later from someone who was employed by United at the time that United didn't sign him because "Madrid were too keen to sell" or "One foot was bigger than the other and United were worried about his balance"

Or perhaps he’s one of the many players hyped, and ends up going nowhere in his career.

 

[CG1010]

Getting deja vu - This feels like one of those players who we refuse to sign for a bargain (like 20-30m?)

Then within a couple of seasons he is worth about 80-100m

And then you find out years later from someone who was employed by United at the time that United didn't sign him because "Madrid were too keen to sell" or "One foot was bigger than the other and United were worried about his balance"

To be honest, over the years, we have made the other type of error more often and with more disastrous consequences.. signing wrong player at stupid prices who have entirely derailed the squad development. So I would rather than Ole's team is over cautious and buy only those who fit in with the overall team. Not saying Reguilon wouldn't but we really should be sure and shouldn't go rashly into this.

 

[Lash]

Getting deja vu - This feels like one of those players who we refuse to sign for a bargain (like 20-30m?)

Then within a couple of seasons he is worth about 80-100m

And then you find out years later from someone who was employed by United at the time that United didn't sign him because "Madrid were too keen to sell" or "One foot was bigger than the other and United were worried about his balance"

Id bet a fair amount of money he won't be worth that in a couple of season.

 

[charlenefan]

Unless I'm missing something isn't all that's happened with this one is that the player has been 'offered' to us? I bet we get 'offered' players all the time but very rarely take the selling club up on their offer

Unless I've missed something it seems a little premature to be worrying about an injury last night

 

[Lash]

Yeah, that quote is the biggest mistake on internet. People taking that as some sort of bible to judge even full backs is hilarious considering full backs defends 1v1 against tricky wingers most of the time. Maldini himself was master at sliding tackles.

Yeah, it's crazy how people throw it about without actually thinking about it.

 

[SteveW]

Don't know enough about him. But if Ole deems him good enough it would be a useful addition for depth. Shaw/Reguilon on the left AWB/Williams on the right. 4 full backs all playing on their natural side.

Perhaps we could get into a situation like Poch had at Spurs a few years ago where the full backs were constantly rotated and therefore expected to absolutely gun it whenever they played. It always seemed like an ideal system considering how much running is required of the modern day full back to be most effective. Both Shaw and AWB showed the effects of fatigue towards the end of last season when they had to play a lot of games in a short period. AWB's form dipped and Shaw got injured. The schedule is absolutely packed this season so the more good squad members we have the better. It would also mean we'd have a nice mix of defensive and more attacking options on each side.

Of course this all depends on whether Reguilon is actually good enough and Ole wants him. Hopefully it turns out to be the case.

 

[roonster09]

Considering Shaw's fitness levels we should sign him. Would love to see him and Shaw for LB spot, with Williams moving to RB position.

 

[CG1010]

Yeah, that quote is the biggest mistake on internet. People taking that as some sort of bible to judge even full backs is hilarious considering full backs defends 1v1 against tricky wingers most of the time. Maldini himself was master at sliding tackles.

Nice one!

 

[Madridista2000]

I have not seen Shaw in a long time, but only Brandon Williams on the left for United. He is still a kid but last season he was very poor. No way near Reguilon level.

Reguilon actually put Marcelo on the bench the season before he went for loan. He was the first choice for a large part of that season.

From RM point of view I hope he is loaned out again to Sevilla and then comes back to be part of the team when Marcelo leaves.

From United point of view I think the funds this season are limited and left back is probably not a priority and there for not splashing the 25-30 million for him.

 

[Champ]

I have not seen Shaw in a long time, but only Brandon Williams on the left for United. He is still a kid but last season he was very poor. No way near Reguilon level.

Reguilon actually put Marcelo on the bench the season before he went for loan. He was the first choice for a large part of that season.

From RM point of view I hope he is loaned out again to Sevilla and then comes back to be part of the team when Marcelo leaves.

From United point of view I think the funds this season are limited and left back is probably not a priority and there for not splashing the 25-30 million for him.

Is there not a chance that United get him on loan?

 

[Lash]

I have not seen Shaw in a long time, but only Brandon Williams on the left for United. He is still a kid but last season he was very poor. No way near Reguilon level.

Reguilon actually put Marcelo on the bench the season before he went for loan. He was the first choice for a large part of that season.

From RM point of view I hope he is loaned out again to Sevilla and then comes back to be part of the team when Marcelo leaves.

From United point of view I think the funds this season are limited and left back is probably not a priority and there for not splashing the 25-30 million for him.

Well yeah, of course he's not near his level. One was 19 making his debut season and the other is 23. I think very poor is not a fair representation of Brandon's season.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Is Nations league just friendlies re-branded? Was watching Portugal highlights and Ronaldo wasn't even involved in the squad which shows me how utterly pointless it is.

No, it's a legitimate competition now supposed to slot in between the Euros and world cup.

They didn't seem to suffer without him, I think it's wise to plan that he won't be there as he's getting older now. Ronaldo probably needs the extra recovery time to get ready for the season.

 

[jungledrums]

Hilarious to see "AWB's positioning is poor" narrative is being built. His positioning is not poor, he is brilliant tackler doesn't mean his positioning is poor.

I think it’s quite presumptuous of you to claim that the only reason people think Wan Bissaka’s defending is poor is because he’s a “brilliant tackler”.

 

[roonster09]

I think it’s quite presumptuous of you to claim that the only reason people think Wan Bissaka’s defending is poor is because he’s a “brilliant tackler”.

I didn't say that.

And also I argued against those points on caf, people came up with nonsense like "yeah he tackles so much as his positioning is poor"

 

[Leftback99]

Unless I'm missing something isn't all that's happened with this one is that the player has been 'offered' to us? I bet we get 'offered' players all the time but very rarely take the selling club up on their offer

Unless I've missed something it seems a little premature to be worrying about an injury last night

This.

 

[SATA]

Can we take the Shaw, Williams, AWB and Laird talk out of here? Or someone wrap it up and call it a day on it. This is a transfer thread of a player we are probably signing

 

[DWelbz19]

Alberto Moreno was very good at Sevilla too, and look at what happened to him once he joined Liverpool. In our system, with our midfield being a little weak without the ball, our full backs have additional defensive responsibilty. So need to be confident about that side of his game before we make a move for him.

Alberto Moreno didn’t spend a season playing half the games as starting LB for Real Madrid to a respectably high degree beforehand, though.

This idea that you need fullbacks who defend firstly will leave you with about 5 options in the whole world. And one of them is already here.

The simple fact of the matter is, we hold a lot of the football in attacking positions in most of the games we play. As teams will compact their box and the centre of the park to avoid our best players getting time on the ball, the fullbacks are the ones who will see the most of it. We therefore need fullbacks who are *a lot* more confident and productive on the ball.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

No, it's a legitimate competition now supposed to slot in between the Euros and world cup.

They didn't seem to suffer without him, I think it's wise to plan that he won't be there as he's getting older now. Ronaldo probably needs the extra recovery time to get ready for the season.

It also counts towards your ranking so affects which pot you are in for draws.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

I didn't say that.

And also I argued against those points on caf, people came up with nonsense like "yeah he tackles so much as his positioning is poor"

But Wan-Bissaka does have poor positioning. He directly caused both goals against Sevilla, the first one with his opponent getting in behind him and the second by not playing the space in front him him and clearing the ball. His positioning is weak in comparison to Shaw who regularly clears balls at the back post and defends the 6 yard area superbly.

 

[AneRu]

I don’t think it is that bad, to be fair. First of all the buyback clause is put at a higher value than what we pay. So essentially, if Madrid gets him back, it means that we got a player in loan with Madrid actually giving us money to play him. Nothing wrong with having players in loan (Bayern has 2 this season). In fact nothing wrong with having a buyback clause (Juve had with Morata and it was ok). If he locks down our left flank for 2-3 seasons while we actually get 10-15m extra from the buyback clause, it means that essentially Madrid payed his wages for him to play for us. A pretty good deal IMO.

It would make sense to not accept such a deal if he was a prospect that we need to develop, but he is already good enough to start for us.

Right on, I don't see the logic of turning our noses up at a buyback clause when we are effectively loaning Real Madrid €30m at a high interest rate and getting a player for the trouble. If he comes in and does well he helps us earn more money in CL qualification and other prize money thus putting us in a stronger position to replace him should Madrid come calling.

 

[elmo]

I didn't say that.

And also I argued against those points on caf, people came up with nonsense like "yeah he tackles so much as his positioning is poor"

Or just watch the games and see how many times he's dragged out of position leaving the centrebacks out to dry.

He's far from being a good defender right now apart from his tackling and it's obvious because he's relatively new at it and still learning how to actually defend as a team instead of trying to go 1 on 1 with his opposing player all the time.

 

[roonster09]

Or just watch the games and see how many times he's dragged out of position leaving the centrebacks out to dry.

He's best in games where the defense sits tight to counter and the centrebacks

Yeah, next time I will watch the game

 

[cyberman]

Right on, I don't see the logic of turning our noses up at a buyback clause when we are effectively loaning Real Madrid €30m at a high interest rate and getting a player for the trouble. If he comes in and does well he helps us earn more money in CL qualification and other prize money thus putting us in a stronger position to replace him should Madrid come calling.

Madrid can recall him at any time and take our LB away, with no resale value, is not a way to build a side for the future.
Its a position we arent short in and to take gametime away from our actual players to either develop a player for Madrid or have him fail here is absurd.

 

[Rozay]

Inverted wingers are bit different to Fullbacks.

Williams has played as LB in academy but he is right footed and will always make a better RB than LB. He always tries to come on his stronger foot to cross. Playing on right side should not make a lot of difference anyway. It should actually help him to deliver crosses better. That's why I prefer getting a LB over a RB.

The principle is the same. It is a different picture playing on the left and playing on the right. Williams has played almost exclusively on the left for a number of years. To simply declare he’s a better right back than he is a left back is premature. That needs to be seen. He may well prefer the picture on the left, the way Robben prefers the picture on the right.

Of course, the logic behind your claim is common sense and I appreciate it, I just don’t think it is as simple as that. There are also a number of right-footed centre halves who again, much prefer the picture on the left side than the right. Williams is a left back, until he becomes something else.

 

[MadMike]

Madrid can recall him at any time and take our LB away, with no resale value, is not a way to build a side for the future.
Its a position we arent short in and to take gametime away from our actual players to either develop a player for Madrid or have him fail here is absurd.

It's hardly a matter for debate whether we're short of LB or not. Right-footed LBs are hugely problematic in a 4-3-3 system (our preferred choice) because they can't provide natural width and offensive support. Hence hardly any other team does it. And Shaw, who is plenty injury prone, is currently our only left-footed LB. Claiming we aren't short because we can play Williams there (despite the evident problems that causes) is fallacy. It's akin to claiming we are fine in every position because ostensibly there's a player we could throw into that position if needed, regardless of how good they are at it. Like saying we don't need a RW/RF because Mata.

The question of whether Requilón is the right player in terms of quality or because contractual complications is another matter. But I question the rationale of anyone claiming we're not short of quality cover at LB.

 

[AneRu]

Madrid can recall him at any time and take our LB away, with no resale value, is not a way to build a side for the future.
Its a position we arent short in and to take gametime away from our actual players to either develop a player for Madrid or have him fail here is absurd.

With no resale value? I thought any buyback clause would have a higher fee than what we would pay to sign him?

It's easy - the drop off from Shaw to Williams is huge, Shaw has fitness issues that have derailed his progression as a player and Riguilón is better than Williams. So even taking him as a loan would benefit us in the short run but buying him with a guaranteed resale value is effectively a long term loan which Madrid may or may not exercise and it also depends on the player.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

Madrid can recall him at any time and take our LB away, with no resale value, is not a way to build a side for the future.
Its a position we arent short in and to take gametime away from our actual players to either develop a player for Madrid or have him fail here is absurd.

They can’t recall him at anytime, it can be in the summer, for more than we paid them.

Even if he’s only here one season it’d be worth it at this price, the drop off in ability between Shaw & Williams is way too big to risk going into the season with only them as our left backs, we know Shaw’s injury record, do you want to see Williams at left back for 30 games this season? it’ll be an absolute disaster. He isn’t ready for PL football as it is, and he’s one of the most right footed players in the side, so we’re expecting a kid who isn’t ready, to play multiple games for the first team, and do it out of position. It wouldn’t be fair to him, his team mates, or the fans.

 

[roonster09]

But Wan-Bissaka does have poor positioning. He directly caused both goals against Sevilla, the first one with his opponent getting in behind him and the second by not playing the space in front him him and clearing the ball. His positioning is weak in comparison to Shaw who regularly clears balls at the back post and defends the 6 yard area superbly.

He doesn't. FBs get caught at back post, not always but few times. Shaw did it too and Shaw was also ripped apart by fecking Pepe, before that I think it was Navas or some city player when Shaw just couldn't get near him.

Shaw is obviously better player than AWB but the hype has been unreal since he was injured. You guys make it sound as if he is prime Maldini + Nesta rolled into one. Shaw also let the players run past him few times, doesn't mean his positioning is poor, it means they are humans and they won't be perfect all the time. If that's the case, all games will end up with 0-0. Players making runs behind the defense, especially from wide areas is very common. Also this is very tough position to defend too as usually the player make the runs from blind side of defender, one of the reason why FBs gets caught near far post.

Check West Ham game when Jose was manager (Which we lost 3-1) first goal was exactly what you described and that was at Shaw's end. The game where Chelsea scored in the last min to make it 2-2, there was 2 Chelsea players infrot of De Gea and Shaw was way behind them.

ManCity game where we lost 3-1, first goal Shaw lost his marker at far post. Then check the goals vs Wolves in the FA cup when Jota (or someone) just bullied Shaw to score winning goal or how Huddersfield scored 1-1.

All these mistakes happen, doesn't mean Shaw has poor positioning or he is poor defender, he is one of the best defensive FBs in the league.

I agree with your post that AWB's positioning isn't as good as Shaw's, doesn't mean AWB's positioning is poor.

 

[Red Comet]

Madrid can recall him at any time and take our LB away, with no resale value, is not a way to build a side for the future.
Its a position we arent short in and to take gametime away from our actual players to either develop a player for Madrid or have him fail here is absurd.

That's not how a buy-back clause work. Buy-back amount can be negotiated at the time of transfer, which rarely happens because of inflation. From my knowledge we only have that in place for players like Shawcross, Keane (before he moved to Everton), Wilfred Zaha and Januzaj. This is usually paired with a Sell-On clause, which means that we can still benefit from a higher selling price if the club is selling at a price higher than our buy-back clause.

A more common variant is a souped-down "first reject clause" which stats that the club has a right of first reject - say if Dortmund wants to buy Zaha for 60 million, we will have to option to get him at a similar price before Dortmund should we choose to exercise that right.

Signing Reguilon at the reported price is a steal even with a buy-back clause. Sure, he may go on to be the best left wing back in the world before Real Madrid wants him back - we would have already gotten value out of him and will still make a tidy profit off selling him back to Real.

 

[romufc]

Sure, he may go on to be the best left wing back in the world before Real Madrid wants him back

How many games have you watched him play? To call a player who has had 1 full season in the top division to have the potential to be the best left full back when there is players like Robertson and Alphonso Davies.... seems excessive.

 

[cyberman]

That's not how a buy-back clause work. Buy-back amount can be negotiated at the time of transfer, which rarely happens because of inflation. From my knowledge we only have that in place for players like Shawcross, Keane (before he moved to Everton), Wilfred Zaha and Januzaj. This is usually paired with a Sell-On clause, which means that we can still benefit from a higher selling price if the club is selling at a price higher than our buy-back clause.

A more common variant is a souped-down "first reject clause" which stats that the club has a right of first reject - say if Dortmund wants to buy Zaha for 60 million, we will have to option to get him at a similar price before Dortmund should we choose to exercise that right.

Signing Reguilon at the reported price is a steal even with a buy-back clause. Sure, he may go on to be the best left wing back in the world before Real Madrid wants him back - we would have already gotten value out of him and will still make a tidy profit off selling him back to Real.

It is how it works. We saw it with Morata and Juve. They can buy him back anytime they want and we wouldnt have a say in it. The player didnt want to leave Juve but couldn't do a thing about it.
He wouldn't be coming as cover, he would want first choice so we would be sacrificing a better player in Shaw just to develop Madrids player just so they can buy him again next summer to sell for a higher price.
This is ridiculous, its rationalising an absurd deal just because its in your heads that you want the player.
Theres a reason why the likes of TFM, Januazi (sp) etc found themselves on the bench when out on loan despite playing well when that club has potential coming through in the same position. Theres no point in developing someone elses player instead of your own.

 

[devilish]

Inverted wingers exist because for 3 reasons

a- football had changed since the late 80s. Defences don't leave the acres of space they once used to do. Thus there's little reward in delivering the ball quickly as it will probably end up at the foot of a lone striker whose surrounded by 4-5 defenders
b-the fullback role had changed. Fullbacks used to be failed CBs whom for one reason or another (usually lack of inches) they couldn't play in a central role. These days the wing back role is one of the most important roles in football. It literally take care of all the flank from defence right to upfront. Gaz himself once said that if he played in today's football then he wouldn't have been able to cut the job with Manchester United

An inverted fullback is silly. It hurts him attacking wise and it leaves him painfully weak when defending. Sure there are fullbacks who are comfortable playing on their weaker foot. However they are still judged in the conventional way (ex Denis Irwin)

 

[AneRu]

It is how it works. We saw it with Morata and Juve. They can buy him back anytime they want and we wouldnt have a say in it. The player didnt want to leave Juve but couldn't do a thing about it.
He wouldn't be coming as cover, he would want first choice so we would be sacrificing a better player in Shaw just to develop Madrids player just so they can buy him again next summer to sell for a higher price.
This is ridiculous, its rationalising an absurd deal just because its in your heads that you want the player.
Theres a reason why the likes of TFM, Januazi (sp) etc found themselves on the bench when out on loan despite playing well when that club has potential coming through in the same position. Theres no point in developing someone elses player instead of your own.

Still yo haven't explained the disadvantage in having a top left back for what is effectively a free loan! If he does well here we would have a great left back for at least a season and make a small profit on him which would help us in funding a replacement having benefited on the pitch from having him here.

 

[HowYouDoin]

Full back position is by far our biggest weakness.
We should look to do something about both flanks. Normally I would wanna buy 2 FB's but given the corona stuff and that we shouldnt be spending as much signing one is okay but we need to promote Laird too.
So if we sign this guy and promote Laird Im down with that.

We really really need this signing though.
I would go as far as saying that in terms of improving our weak spots this one is even more important than Sancho as full back position is by far our biggest weakness, right wing not nearly as much.

 

[Rolaholic]

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[izec]

Would be a great addition to the squad

 

[Donald Silverbridge]

I hope we get him, Would be good to have another left-back.

 

[JohnZSmith27]

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I choose to believe this is true.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

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Who are these guys? Reliable source? Saying their a Seville radio station.