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The way he reacted you have to think he's out at least a month or two with ligament damage. I've twisted my ankle like that before and you usually know straight away you've torn some ligaments.
yes, i tore my ligaments 2 weeks ago. Another 4 weeks to go. He will be out for 2 months if he has done his ligaments. If it isn't really bad and only an ankle sprain, maybe a couple of weeks to a month at max
 

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Have you actually read what I was responding to? It wasn't about Reguilon. It was about Shaw. So don't blame me about Reguilon when I was responding to remarks about Shaw. Get a grip lad.
I was backing up your point. Probably not clear enough about that lol!
 

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Is this going to be like when SAF signed Evra, despite already have Heinze in the team?

What does it mean for Laird?
Laird is a right back. It potentially puts him down the pecking order as Williams will be the natural right back backup. I think Laird has the potential to be ahead of Williams though.
 

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yes, i tore my ligaments 2 weeks ago. Another 4 weeks to go. He will be out for 2 months if he has done his ligaments. If it isn't really bad and only an ankle sprain, maybe a couple of weeks to a month at max
Yeah lets just keep our fingers crossed we get some good news on the injury in the morning
 

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I'm seriously surprised at some of the heat Shaw is getting in this thread.

In my eyes, he was one of our best players this season. Deeply missed in the latter games when he was injured. Especially the Sevilla semi-final. This season was probably his best full season for us. (The one where he broke his leg would have been his best otherwise).
 

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Laird is a right back. It potentially puts him down the pecking order as Williams will be the natural right back backup. I think Laird has the potential to be ahead of Williams though.
Just got a new massive contract so will expect games.
 

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I'm no expert but to me that injury looked serious. If he's out for a couple of months I find it highly unlikely that we'll sign him.
 

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Just our luck that he gets injured... Hopefully its just a sprain and not longer term.
 

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I'm sure Utd would still sign him if they wanted him if the medical showed that it's not a serious long term injury. I'm pretty sure we signed Dalot in similar circumstances while he was injured.
 

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I'm sure Utd would still sign him if they wanted him if the medical showed that it's not a serious long term injury. I'm pretty sure we signed Dalot in similar circumstances while he was injured.
Yep a small muscle injury won’t delay things.
 

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You never really know with ankle injuries. It’s all about whether he’s done ligament damage. I did mine 2 weeks ago, couldn’t put weight on it for 3 days, I was like a Dalek when it came to trying to climb stairs and it swelled up like a balloon but I was back playing 5-aside 10 days later...admittedly I was only able to really run in straight lines :lol:

With Shaw they thought he hadn’t done any damage and it was just swollen but then he ended up being out for 6 weeks. Let’s hope he gets lucky but even if he isn’t and it is 6 weeks or so that he’s out for I doubt that puts us off if we really want him. Shaw is fit now I believe.
 

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Even if he's not seriously injured, seems hard to believe United would accept a buyback deal.

I'm no expert on transfers but surely a buyback is worse for the buying club than a loan. If the player does well, you lose him. If he does badly, you lose the money.

If Madrid are desperate to get him off the books, surely we ask for a loan with a small fee thrown in.
 

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Laird is a right back. It potentially puts him down the pecking order as Williams will be the natural right back backup. I think Laird has the potential to be ahead of Williams though.
Williams isn't a RB, he's a LB. He was a LB in the academy (with Laird at RB) and has been a LB in the first team
 

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The good news is Reguilon has no previous ankle injuries so it could just be one of those things. Hopefully there's positive news over the next couple of days and it doesn't delay a move for him.

The big news today is the commentator saying he spoke to the Spain camp yday and there is a United offer for Thiago. That's feckin huge and I thought our rumoured interest was fake.
 

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Williams isn't a RB, he's a LB. He was a LB in the academy (with Laird at RB) and has been a LB in the first team
Williams is certainly not comfortable playing left back from what we've seen so far. He started off well but has looked really suspect and awkward at left back in latter half of season. He's only played left back for the first team because that's where hes been needed. If AWB was injured instead of Shaw then he would have played right back more. The couple of occasions he has played right back he has looked better.

With him being right footed, he will always be more suited to right back. Especially as its so important for full backs to contribute with attacks in modern football. Playing left back with him constantly having to cut back on to his right foot is just too ineffective and easy to defend against.
 

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The good news is Reguilon has no previous ankle injuries so it could just be one of those things. Hopefully there's positive news over the next couple of days and it doesn't delay a move for him.

The big news today is the commentator saying he spoke to the Spain camp yday and there is a United offer for Thiago. That's feckin huge and I thought our rumoured interest was fake.
Yeah that is huge news indeed and trying to work out where the footage came from because the commentary was English
 

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Williams is certainly not comfortable playing left back from what we've seen so far. The couple of occasions he has played right back he has looked better.

With him being right footed, he will always be more suited to right back. Especially as its so important for full backs to contribute with attacks in modern football. Playing left back with him constantly having to cut back on to his right foot is just too ineffective and easy to defend against.
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Read what I posted again, in the academy he was a LB, they even moved Laird from LB to RB because Williams was already playing LB. Regardless of whether you think he looks comfortable playing there or not that's his position, it was his position in the academy and it's his position in the first team.
 

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Williams isn't a RB, he's a LB. He was a LB in the academy (with Laird at RB) and has been a LB in the first team
Williams is naturally right footed and was a RB but pushed out of that position by Laird who was and possibly now more talented than him. Williams natural position is RB.
 

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Yeah that is huge news indeed and trying to work out where the footage came from because the commentary was English
That match was shown on Sky Sports via the red button. Not sure if that was the commentary in question though.
 

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Read what I posted again, in the academy he was a LB, they even moved Laird from LB to RB because Williams was already playing LB. Regardless of whether you think he looks comfortable playing there or not that's his position, it was his position in the academy and it's his position in the first team.
I read exactly what you said mate and the problem in the academy is both Williams and Laird are more comfortable at Right back. But obviously they can only play one right back.

It's the same problem we used to have with Gary Neville and Phil Neville. But you can't play them both in the same position which is why P Neville played left back as he was more comfortable than Gary as a left back. But Phil's better position was right back.

It's clear to all that Williams is not suited to left back at all. He has looked much better at right back. He naturally would be as he's right footed.
 

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Williams is naturally right footed and was a RB but pushed out of that position by Laird who was and possibly now more talented than him. Williams natural position is RB.
Laird was LB before he was moved to RB, he scored an insane number of goals from LB before he was moved
 

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I read exactly what you said mate and the problem in the academy is both Williams and Laird are more comfortable at Right back. But obviously they can only play one right back.

It's the same problem we used to have with Gary Neville and Phil Neville. But you can't play them both in the same position which is why P Neville played left back as he was more comfortable than Gary as a left back. But Phil's better position was right back.

It's clear to all that Williams is not suited to left back at all. He has looked much better at right back. He naturally would be as he's right footed.
I think the problem with Williams at left back comes when we trying to play out from the back and getting pressed. Williams has to come more infield to receive the ball. And this limit his passing options to the midfield and forwards. Other than that he doesn't seem much different on either side with his defending Or ability to go forward
 

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I read exactly what you said mate and the problem in the academy is both Williams and Laird are more comfortable at Right back. But obviously they can only play one right back.

It's the same problem we used to have with Gary Neville and Phil Neville. But you can't play them both in the same position which is why P Neville played left back as he was more comfortable than Gary as a left back. But Phil's better position was right back.

It's clear to all that Williams is not suited to left back at all. He has looked much better at right back. He naturally would be as he's right footed.
You keep saying the same thing and yet it goes against his almost complete progression as a footballer. Funny how those who actually know what they're on about have almost entirely played him in the position you say he's not a natural in

Alas I'm tapping out now as I fear this is just going to go around in circles
 

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AWB is the best in the business at it. I'm not sure how that negates what I've said. Shaw is still very good at defending.
I disagree Shaw is good at defending. Think he can be quite a lazy defender when it comes to getting back in position and stopping crosses. Just an opinion though. Ok to disagree.
 

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Laird was LB before he was moved to RB, he scored an insane number of goals from LB before he was moved
You have to remember players don't always break through into a team in their natural position. Laird is clearly a natural right back mate.

Smalling started his Utd career as a right back. So did Wes Brown. So did Phil Jones. It doesn't mean that's their natural position. They break through wherever the opportunity arises.

There are not many successful wrong footed full backs in the history of the game. Dennis Irwin and Phillip Lahm (who changed later) a couple of the few.

Wrong footed full backs simply does not work in the modern game.

Ashley young played left back most of the time for us in defence. He was never a natural at it nor was it his natural position. Left back is probably the one position on the team where you will find the least amount of specialists as it's hard to find a natural one.
 

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You keep saying the same thing and yet it goes against his almost complete progression as a footballer. Funny how those who actually know what they're on about have almost entirely played him in the position you say he's not a natural in

Alas I'm tapping out now as I fear this is just going to go around in circles
If you honestly think Williams is more a left back than a right back, then we have to agree to disagree. If it wasn't for Laird, Williams would have been playing right back in the academy. If it wasn't for shaws injury and AWB's consistently good injury record then Williams would have been playing right back in the first team too.
 

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Laird was LB before he was moved to RB, he scored an insane number of goals from LB before he was moved
Williams is NOT suited to play LB in the modern game. I won’t repeat what others have said here but it’s clear that you’re off the mark with your arguments that Williams is naturally a LB.
 

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You have to remember players don't always break through into a team in their natural position. Laird is clearly a natural right back mate.

Smalling started his Utd career as a right back. So did Wes Brown. So did Phil Jones. It doesn't mean that's their natural position. They break through wherever the opportunity arises.

There are not many successful wrong footed full backs in the history of the game. Dennis Irwin and Phillip Lahm (who changed later) a couple of the few.

Wrong footed full backs simply does not work in the modern game.

Ashley young played left back most of the time for us in defence. He was never a natural at it nor was it his natural position. Left back is probably the one position on the team where you will find the least amount of specialists as it's hard to find a natural one.
Breaking through into the first team in a position that needs a hole filled is completely irrelevant. Almost all of Williams professional football education has been at LB
 

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Williams is NOT suited to play LB in the modern game. I won’t repeat what others have said here but it’s clear that you’re off the mark with your arguments that Williams is naturally a LB.
I'm off the mark with nothing so you can do one with that kind of provocation

I never once said Williams is a natural LB I just it's the position he's played almost all of his professional career
 

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I think the problem with Williams at left back comes when we trying to play out from the back and getting pressed. Williams has to come more infield to receive the ball. And this limit his passing options to the midfield and forwards. Other than that he doesn't seem much different on either side with his defending Or ability to go forward
Yes when we get pressed is where the major issues arise. At the end of the season our whole team was right footed (except for Greenwood the double footed freak). When a team presses its a lot easier to press a team who have wrong footed players in central defence and full back positions because their natural pass would always be inwards and centrally towards the danger areas. It's one of the reason Ole also wants a left footed centre back so the build up can progress from both sides of the pitch without being suspect to the press.

More crucially being wrong footed in attacking areas is the biggest killer to the balance. It simply doesnt work anymore. Constantly having to cut back and cross with your wrong foot is a lot easier to defend than getting to the byline and crossing it in naturally.
 

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I'm off the mark with nothing so you can do one with that kind of provocation

I never once said Williams is a natural LB I just it's the position he's played almost all of his professional career
To be fair, you claimed Laird was a left back and he's scored an insane amount of goals from there in the academy. That''s simply not true mate. Nearly all his goals and assists have been from right back.
 

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To be fair, you claimed Laird was a left back and he's scored an insane amount of goals from there in the academy. That''s simply not true mate. Nearly all his goals and assists have been from right back.
Did I? Quote me. I think you'll find I said Laird was LB as in he was playing LB. he scored just under 20 goals from LB in the under 16's

I've never given an opinion on where either Laird or Williams should be played just stated the facts of where they have played
 

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Did I? Quote me. I think you'll find I said Laird was LB as in he was playing LB. he scored just under 20 goals from LB in the under 16's

I've never given an opinion on where either Laird or Williams should be played just stated the facts of where they have played
We're just beating around the bush now mate.

Ultimately, Laird and Williams are both better players as right back rather than left back. For me, there's not really an argument to be had there. If you disagree, fair enough.
 
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