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Certainly feels that way right now,never thought I would ever see Howson say Utd are Finished in a video whatever you think about the guy
United are far from finished mate. The issues have been post SAF and all the Glazer's need to do is put someone in charge who will make best use of our funds. The funds have been there it's just that those funds have been wasted because the decision makers have been naive (Woodward) and the managers (Mourinho etc) have been given far too much control over player recruitment which has seen us jump from profile to profile and waste multi-millions.
So in other words appoint a manager who doesn't want to spend much,what really annoys me is that the media won't dig out those leeches for how much they have taken out the club
This. I reckon they have been put into place by the glazers to fight their corner, thats the only reason I can see anyone defending the vermin. Yes we know transfers have happened and high wages as thats the only way we have been able to attract the best players (some only on paper) anyway. They saddled the club with debt in the buyout, and 15 years later its going up not down, it should have been paid off by now. We will never win a major trophy again under the vermin.
Yeah those leeches have done so much damage in the last 15 years,however like someone said earlier the rot really set in back in summer of 2009 with that utterly pathetic window of Owen, Obertan & Valencia. We had just lost Ronaldo & Tevez for christs sake and were champions
The managers title needs to change and he should be the head-coach.
Players should be bought via the input of the club scouts who work to a set footballing vision implemented by the club. Those scouts would then report to a Sporting director who would do the leg work after collating all the information.
The issue isn't that we don't spend money, the issue is we waste too much and need a team in the back ground to be given power to make the decisions which align with a set vision by the board.
Sporting director stuff is sadly pie in the sky because Woody & Judge don't want to relinquish any transfer power at all
Woody and Judge can be removed by the owners. We aren't gonna rid ourselves of the Glazer's anytime soon but the penny surely is gonna drop soon as far as some of the poor decisions that have been made post SAF which have played a big role in our malaise post Fergie.
They will remain at the club because their Glazer puppets sadly,wish that wasn't the case but unfortunately it is
The guy predicted United to finish in the top-two only one week back and now, he's predicting that we are finished!
Reason enough to not take him seriously. Too impulsive.
You two mostly post good stuff when it comes to the Glazers. If you didn't I wouldn't bother. Gotta remember that the Glazer children are 'below' Woodward. Papa Glazer would very likely have kicked Woodward to the curb a long time ago. The reason is that Papa Glazer - whatever you think of a magnate - understood how hard and how nuanced it was to build something big, and in particular how many lives it touched, etc. This is a guy who made plenty of dick moves to get where he got, but also understood how great wealth siphons off of a greater many and all the subtleties that such entails.
To the Glazer children, however, Woodward is the consigliere who helped The Godfather seize power. To the Glazer spawn, Woodwards their royal vizier, their Merlin. Technically, yes they're 'above' him, but on an individual level, deep down they all know they're actually slightly below. Within an extremely broad band of decision making, they do what he 'advises' (AKA once in awhile they'll get an 'Okay, we can do that' from him. BTW, Woodward is aware of and sensitive to this dynamic, too.)
I've posted this many times before with absolutely zero expectation that anyone will understand it. But I'll keep on keeping on because it's the actual dynamic at work.
Woodward is NOT the Glazers' puppet. Malcolm Glazer was comparatively extremely intelligent; intelligent to put up with/utilize someone like Woodward. His children ARE NOT. Woodward will pretend to be subservient to them/and even actually act subservient to them when appropriate; they know Woodward is smarter than they, they'll act like the boss when they can, etc etc.
It's important for the fanbase to understand these dynamics at work. This is a very nuanced situation at the board/executive level. Woodward/Judge are NOT 'Glazer puppets'.
Try to think of it more like 'A Great King' dying and leaving a bunch of spoiled heirs with no idea how to run the kingdom with some extremely corrupt advisers.
Definitely a post that gives me food for thought but neither Woody or Judge should ever have stayed in their roles this long because have done so much damage
I complained about Woodward not that there's no money
As for Woody. First, He can't sell for a profit and already wasted a lot of money on projects that amounted to nothingness . Second, Each manager that he brought in was the opposite of the one before. Which indicates that he has no vision or a philosophy that he can stick/relate to. Third, he still refusses the idea of a football director and hasn't pushed the club towards a modern model like every other big club in the world.
if he was in the same role at Juve, Real and Barca and preformed like this all time Woodward wouldn't even last till the end of the season .It's the Glazers responsibility as they should have fired Ed after his first shambolic window aka "urgent business" dilemma when Moyes was the manager. Also not to forget the Fellaini clause and paying more than what we had to pay a month earlier in the last seconds of the market. The guy is out of his depth and he's wasting our time, money and reputation.
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Imagine the fecking audacity to come out and brief you don't give a feck if the supporters of a football club are upset and frustrated. Let's constantly brief that we are interested in Sancho, but also constantly remind the fans that we have no intention of paying the set fee that Dortmund have told us, which they've made very evident they have no interest in budging on. Hopefully those dumb fecks will get so invested in the Sancho rubbish and how long it's stalled that they will forget we are doing feck all.
I'm so fecking done with this ownership.
I'm so fecking done with this ownership.
Yeah I was utterly disgusted by them having the nerve to criticise us for being angry about how long they are taking over transfers.
Yes it might have been misquoted but you could quite believe they would say something similar because they clearly don't give a shit about how we feel at all.
I don't think its the ownership that's the problem, other than they don't remove Woodward from transfer dealings. The owners have spent good money over the time they've owned the club. We've just woefully allcoated that money into awful transfers for managers who are not given a full shot at utilising them. Take Mou in 2018 when he gave the club a list of 5 players and got 1 right after guiding united to 2nd in the league. Solskjaer shows some promise this year, identifies whatever targets he has and the club sign VdB only.
The biggest issue for me with Woodward, or whoever is actually guiding these transfers is the wasting of time that seems to happen around every major transfer. Why are we not wrapping up 90% of the transfer details prior to the window opening and then dotting the i's and crossing the t's when the window opens like Chelsea or City do? They always sign their players early in the window, get them into the club and training so they are on a wavelength with their team mates. United always spend months pissing around only to give in a pay what was being demanded at the end of the window. Why not just pay up and get your player in early doors if you're going to pay the asking price anyway.
Feck the Glazers and Woodward. Disgusting bunch of leeches.
They have broken my heart over this club that many times I have lost count
We had to watch City win the league the last couple of years and now Liverpool.
feck anyone who defends the glazers at this point. You'd think seeing Liverpool win the league would light a fire under their asses but it's evident they only care about top 4 and taking as much from the club as they can. Poor SAF has to sit in the stands watching his years of hard work go down the drain.
Where this Sicilian Godfather mafioso fiction comes from? Nice try to make Ed the biggest culprit and the Glazers some naive dumbass.
Those brothers had helped his father to build their empire together. They're not some 17-18 yo who just inherited the 'kingdom'. The Glazers are Americans not Sicilian ffs. Who pay is the boss there, the Glazers pay Ed to bring them money. It's the Glazers who took the money out of the club, not Ed. Corrupted adviser my arse, if Ed took a single penny from Utd without their permission he'd be long gone.
Easy to say when you are not in that type of position.
In your job, if you disagree with your boss, do you tell them to feck off and quit immediately?
Just seen this. Sorry to hear that mate.
It has certainly been a depressing transfer window. Frustration on par with not investing after Mourinho finished 2nd.
The lack of "kicking on" when we are showing progress is the worst.
Its a football forum to discuss things.
Being a football manager isnt only about training men, alot comes with the job too. Training is mainly carried out by the coaches.
I think they just massively over estimated their worth, coupled with the fact that they had let their contracts run down to the point they could leave on a free so the players had us over a barrel.
Take Rojo for example. No one in their right mind would have paid him £120k+ a week he's rumoured to be on if buying him. However, if we thought he was worth say £10m and we could at worst sell him after a year it becomes:
Pay £6m wages first year, sell for £10m, net impact +£4m.
Then he gets injured, value goes down, he's happy doing not a lot a lot for his £120k a week. Suddenly we've given him £20m+ over the length of his contract and got nothing back.
Its a big month for Woodward and not just in terms of buying players, we've currently got a first team squad of 31.Thats at least 5 players he needs to get rid of, I suspect he'll be lucky to get rid of 2 of them
Off the pitch he has his work cut out too.
Our commercial revenue (as well as match day revenue) has been flat for the last 4 years; meaning our only growth has come from TV revenue.
Over the same period Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs have increased theirs by £40-50m (ignoring City for obvious reasons). In an environment over the last 5 years where the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea are outperforming us on the pitch (and therefore in TV revenue) whilst also closing the commercial gap (admittedly from a lower base) the ability to compete financially whilst also having one hand tied behind our backs in the form of paying £50m+ to the owners annually (debt+dividends) is in doubt.
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I don't have any knowledge of economics but it wouldn't surprise me if these players are given long contracts to save money in the short run. If Jones for example is on 100k and he's sold that means the club would have to invest 50m+ in a new CB which in turn would mean higher wages. Quantity is relatively cheap. Quality isn't.
I really hope this is bollocks.
They should be less worried about the social media frenzy impacting their brand value/share price and should be more worried about the reason for the social media frenzy...The inability to back the manager in buying and selling the players he wants.
Sums up United. They care about perceptions, not actions.
You're right, looking at the figures Real & Barca attracted for their new kit deals Woodward let it go too cheaply; United stuck with this deal do another 5 seasons too.
We've been told by a couple of posters on here what the Glazers brought to United in terms of commercial expertise which is complete nonsense.
If only there was some way to fix this...
They should find themselves very lucky they don't own a Madrid or Barcelona if they think this is bad. Spoiled bunch of twats.
Alex Shaw says that under his own tweet, there is a simple fecking way to fix it
So lucky no fans are allowed in the stadium this weekend, honestly.
If that is true, it's annoying that we're being pointed at as the problem.Alex Shaw says that under his own tweet, there is a simple fecking way to fix it
So lucky no fans are allowed in the stadium this weekend, honestly.
We don't want transfers, we'd all rather have another class of 92' come through instead, but someone seems to think that will just organically happen with as little investment as possible. In the mean time, while we're waiting for the next Messi to be born in Manchester and grow up being a United fan, someone has to buy better players than Jones, Lingard, Mata, Pereira and Ighalo.
Don't blame us for wanting progress and improvement, blame yourselves for buying a club that has expectant fans.
"Utd are far from finished under Glazers all they have to do".....
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This is the limit for me, when pretend journalists start playing to the gallery. The only club that has been seriously spending is the one that had a registration ban and therefore a bit of cash from the previous windows. Everyone else seems stuck in the same area and why would United be an endless pit of money, no other club is and they all act accordingly,