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when i was 12 Argentina's democratic goverment was overthrown by a military coup.
They forbade books, films, popular songs
they took people from the streets, houses and universities, to torture them and after they spilled their guts, put them on helicopters to throw them, drugged, to the river where they would die
victims ranged from 16 years old -kids whos only crime was to ask for a special bus fare for schoolers- to 80

but trump and johnson are dictators

cry me a river
This is a bit of much needed perspective to some of those who have never experienced dictatorship first hand. They don’t know how good they have it. Without wishing anything bad upon fellow forum members, in a way I almost hope Covid will show them the value of prosperity and individual freedom.
 

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This is a bit of much needed perspective to some of those who have never experienced dictatorship first hand. They don’t know how good they have it. Without wishing anything bad upon fellow forum members, in a way I almost hope Covid will show them the value of prosperity and individual freedom.
Fascinating coming from someone supporting a president whose party wants to outlaw abortion, for example.
 

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This is a bit of much needed perspective to some of those who have never experienced dictatorship first hand. They don’t know how good they have it. Without wishing anything bad upon fellow forum members, in a way I almost hope Covid will show them the value of prosperity and individual freedom.
they dont see they have free speach, free press, they have a congress, a judiciary that comes from before Trump was elected
 

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they dont see they have free speach, free press, they have a congress, a judiciary that comes from before Trump was elected
Yes, that is correct. No one is saying those concepts do not exist in the West. However, as you might have noticed, Trump is strongly against the free press. It’s not difficult to see that a president like that is dangerous.
 

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Fascinating coming from someone supporting a president whose party wants to outlaw abortion, for example.
so what? i`m all for women reproductive rights, buy to denny there are people that are against abortion and condemn them for that is ridiculous
is just a disagreement
in argentina we dont have legalized abortion, and i think is a disgrace that we don`t, but from that to labell someone for his stance on that matter is absurd
many of you think that you have all the answers right and if someone thinks otherwise he is a racist, misoginist or whatever "ist" you can come from
but guess what? many people don't think exactly like you and that doesn't mean they are monsters or stupid
 

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they dont see they have free speach, free press, they have a congress, a judiciary that comes from before Trump was elected
No neighbours to spy on them and rat them out, no life savings wiped out overnight, the ability to travel abroad, full supermarket shelves, being able to run a business without much fear of corruption, career opportunities even if you aren't a member of the ruling party....the list goes on.

Yet, many are dreaming of socialism. Well, that's what socialism looks like in real life. Been there, done that. Never again.
 

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Yes, that is correct. No one is saying those concepts do not exist in the West. However, as you might have noticed, Trump is strongly against the free press. It’s not difficult to see that a president like that is dangerous.
he may be against free press, that doesnt mean he has the power to abolish it
in fact, 80 percent of the media say things about him that are unconceavable in a dictatorship
 

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No neighbours to spy on them and rat them out, no life savings wiped out overnight, the ability to travel abroad, full supermarket shelves, being able to run a business without much fear of corruption, career opportunities even if you aren't a member of the ruling party....the list goes on.

Yet, many are dreaming of socialism. Well, that's what socialism looks like in real life. Been there, done that. Never again.
they think that socialism is capitalism but good
they are heading to a nasty surprise
 

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No neighbours to spy on them and rat them out, no life savings wiped out overnight, the ability to travel abroad, full supermarket shelves, being able to run a business without much fear of corruption, career opportunities even if you aren't a member of the ruling party....the list goes on.

Yet, many are dreaming of socialism. Well, that's what socialism looks like in real life. Been there, done that. Never again.
That’s wrong. If you are talking about Bernie Sanders’ dream that is more of a social democracy like we have in Norway.
 

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Btw, are you guys still in lockdown? It's been the longest on the planet. I have many friends in Buenos Aires, everybody is suffering.
we are still in lockdown
but not that tight as it was at first
still, no movies, no gymns, no restaurants, at least not indoor ones
you can have a coffee if the place have tables on the street
 

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That’s wrong. If you are talking about Bernie Sanders’ dream that is more of a social democracy like we have in Norway.
I'm talking the equality of outcome type of socialism. What Norway has (and a few other northern European countries, including my own) is capitalism with a solid social welfare system. It's the best we have but it's only possible if the income side of the equation is taken care of, i.e. an economy that produces a surplus. An oil rich nation like Norway is in a very good place compared to most of the world. On top of that they are not part of the EU or the Euro - which panned out very well for you guys. That same system would not work in today's Greece, Spain or Italy.
 

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Marcos wtf ain't seen you in years and you seem to have come back angry as hell. What's up?
 

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I'm talking the equality of outcome type of socialism. What Norway has (and a few other northern European countries, including my own) is capitalism with a solid social welfare system. It's the best we have but it's only possible if the income side of the equation is taken care of, i.e. an economy that produces a surplus. An oil rich nation like Norway is in a very good place compared to most of the world. On top of that they are not part of the EU or the Euro - which panned out very well for you guys. That same system would not work in today's Greece, Spain or Italy.
We are not talking about those countries though.
 

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i edited and said that Trump is the only labeled as racist
Biden has been called racist plenty of times.

This is the Trump Presidency thread, and someone posted something about Trump to which your response is “but Biden”, what’s the point of that?
 

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they dont see they have free speach, free press, they have a congress, a judiciary that comes from before Trump was elected
Maybe they see it, and would like to keep it that way?

As people have pointed out, it is not going to go from the current state to full-on dictatorship overnight, but there are plenty of warning signs in terms of both rhetoric and actual actions that things are moving in the wrong direction. In terms of free speech, for example, Trump recently called it a beautiful sight that a reporter he didn't like was hit by a rubber bullet. Five years ago that would have been hard to imagine.

Also, the whole "things used to be worse or are worse in other places, so let's not complain or worry" is the height of idiocy. You can recognize that there are actual dictatorships and poverty in the world, while also wanting your own country to improve. The two are not mutually exclusive. Funnily enough this type of logic is often used by conservatives in the US.
 

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Biden has been called racist plenty of times.

This is the Trump Presidency thread, and someone posted something about Trump to which your response is “but Biden”, what’s the point of that?
To me that just cements that he, for some extreme odd reason, is in the Trump camp. He’s trying to hide it because he knows it’s «wrong» but I recognise a duck quacking.
 

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Biden has been called racist plenty of times.

This is the Trump Presidency thread, and someone posted something about Trump to which your response is “but Biden”, what’s the point of that?
always so tidy, dont talk about Messi in Ronaldo's thread, don't talk about Biden in Trumps thread
why dont you go to see if the fridge is spotless while you give me a break?
 

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i'm not angry at all mate, i just think that many caftards are making a sea over a drop of water
Not quite how I see it but fair enough. If anything, taking a step back, I see crazy shit happen and we all just make a joke and continue on because these things have become so normalised....

Hope all is well.
 

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We are not talking about those countries though.
Certainly wouldn't work in the UK, either. It's not a surplus economy. I get why so many have lost faith in capitalism, we have reached the end of a road, but socialism isn't the answer as it does an even worse job at creating wealth. Everybody will be equally poor.
 

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Certainly wouldn't work in the UK, either. It's not a surplus economy. I get why so many have lost faith in capitalism, we have reached the end of a road, but socialism isn't the answer as it does an even worse job at creating wealth. Everybody will be equally poor.
We’re talking about the US in this context, and again, it’s not socialism. Socialism doesn’t work, that’s obvious - we agree 100%. We are talking about social democracy. Health care and free education doesn’t turn a country into a «socialism paradise» all of a sudden.
 

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Maybe they see it, and would like to keep it that way?

As people have pointed out, it is not going to go from the current state to full-on dictatorship overnight, but there are plenty of warning signs in terms of both rhetoric and actual actions that things are moving in the wrong direction. In terms of free speech, for example, Trump recently called it a beautiful sight that a reporter he didn't like was hit by a rubber bullet. Five years ago that would have been hard to imagine.
well, in my experience, dictatorships happen over night, and as i said, with free press, a free judiciary and a congress, it's really hard to see that USA could turn into that, no matter what the "signs" you think you see


Also, the whole "things used to be worse or are worse in other places, so let's not complain or worry" is the height of idiocy. You can recognize that there are actual dictatorships and poverty in the world, while also wanting your own country to improve. The two are not mutually exclusive. Funnily enough this type of logic is often used by conservatives in the US.
didnt say dont complain or worry, what i said was that saying that trump is a dictator or a border dictator is not knowing what a dictator is and makes that word totally irrelevant
 
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