What is it? Because I don’t see the difference between Lindelof’s & Havertz’s.
The handball rule
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Nobody knows. I was fully expecting that to be overruled.
They've changed the rule for attackers haven't they?
Lindelof is in defence and the rule makes clear difference between handball in attack and in defence.
Don't get me wrong, I think Havertz one should have been a foul, but that's the difference.
Isnt an attacking handball always a foul? Chelsea got very very lucky...
Edit : Rules might have have changed?
Edit : Rules might have have changed?
They rushed and made a mistake on that one it seems.
Isn’t handball handball though? How can the defending or attacking team make a difference?
Lindelof had the ball blasted at his arm, Havertz controlled the ball with his arm. Makes no sense.
Yeah it has to be during the last action of the goal or something so because in Havertz's case the ball went back out and came back in before the goal was scored its ignored.
Made no sense.
I didn't see it in real time but VAR was checking for indeed that and it was very evident.
Yeah, that's not ruled out anymore. I don't know why the pen against Palace wasn't given earlier though based on Lindelof's. So inconsistent already this season.
I think the new rule means you're allowed to pick it up and run about with it in your hands like in rugby, even dribble like a basketball if you want, throw a touch down like NFL, just depends what ref you get tbh.
The thing that annoys me about the handball rule is that no one had huge complaints about it before, and how the refs could use their common sense in a good way. Now they're just trying to make it black and white and it's stupid.
definitely.
Changed my mind, Robson-Kanu got the ball possession right after and should have cleared, so, moot.
What if the West Brom defender had walked away from the ball instead of attempting to clear it?
...Chelsea score immediately and the goal gets ruled out for handball
...Chelsea score immediately and the goal gets ruled out for handball
Eh? He was off balance, falling backwards and just trying to clear it. Not like he had time and space to settle himself and blam it away.
I agree. There is a lot of inconsistency this season already (Arsenal game last week) but you can fume all you want after the fact and it won't change a thing. Sucks, I know.
Sky mentioned if that was a defender handballing it would have been a penalty. Seems like they're trying to force more goals by penalising defenders but allowing the attacking team to get away with it.
It should be the same rule applied across the board imo.
It should be the same rule applied across the board imo.
It’s not handball. Just check the new rules and it will all make sense. Close thread.
Can you flick the ball towards the defenders hand all game and win penalties?
Wtf are you on about? That clearly wasn't the case here.
Unless you’re playing Liverpool, yes.
Havertz literally stopped the ball going out of play when the ball touched his hand so the handball definitely played a very important role in the goal.
I understand as per new rules it's a correct call but like the other handball rules when it comes to defenders, this one doesn't make sense.
Either all intentional handballs should not be a foul or they all should.
It's dodgy as, probably done it so it's easy to officiate but it's nonsensical.
It feels like these incredibly strict rules - handball no matter what and goalkeepers must have a foot on the line when saving a penalty are an artificial way of correcting the number of goals chalked off due to the incredibly strict offside laws we now have.
Penalties should be given for cheating, not the ball accidentally brushing your hand after it was fired at you from 2 metres away.
I’m sure it is said after every law change, or tightening up, but it’s spoiling the game.
Penalties should be given for cheating, not the ball accidentally brushing your hand after it was fired at you from 2 metres away.
I’m sure it is said after every law change, or tightening up, but it’s spoiling the game.
That was a clear hand, I thought any contact on the ball with the hand in attack is automatically handball without exception?
I really dont know why Havertz action wasnt sanctioned.
I really dont know why Havertz action wasnt sanctioned.
Can't wait till we see training equipment where you can train how to chip the ball up on a hand for delicious VAR penalties. Heck, even study heading it down on an arm like today.
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Extreme justice is funApparently the rule is changed so unless the attacker scores or assists immediately after a unintentional handball, it doesn't count as a handball.
If it is accidental, the offender is attacking and there's more to the phase of play (it was touched by 4 different players before hitting the net for Tammy's goal) then they don't give it.
At least that's what Sky said.
nah man, with VAR it gets better every year. The evolution will be televised. Mike Dean will get operated supervision eye technology next year and be a VAR cyborg
That's just racist against defenders.. one rule to rule them all..
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It’s not the offside rules. It’s VAR. Once you start to try to remove human fallibility from officiating you end up twisting the rules until we get to where we are now. Every weekend absolutely full of infuriating decisions and fans and players feeling hard done by. So basically where we were pre-VAR. With added delays and confusion. The whole thing is a pointless disaster.
Calm down, I meant as a general rule. I didn’t watch this game.
If it was outside of the box it would have been a foul.
So just because they didn't see it? handball is so messed up.
I guarantee though we will see a very similar handball ruled out. They just make it up as they go along.
So just because they didn't see it? handball is so messed up.
I guarantee though we will see a very similar handball ruled out. They just make it up as they go along.
Why all the fecking changes though ? It's creating more chaos than anything else
That doesnt make sense, so players are allowed to handball just not assist or score immediately after it?
VAR is a reaction to the amount of money in the game now - where a single goal can cost a club, potentially, tens if not hundreds of millions of pounds.
I suppose the toothpaste is out of the tube now. We can’t put it back.
Football’s been a multimillion pound industry for decades though. I’m not actually sure how we hit the VAR tipping point. It’s definitely been detrimental though.
Last year it would have been ruled out. Before VAR there’s a very small chance the ref would have seen it.
Now? apparently it isn’t against the rules. But he’s gained a massive advantage from it. The ball was controlled using the arm, intentional or not.
It seems like basically every rule implemented is in favour of the attacker, not a surprise we’re seeing 5 goals every game.
Now? apparently it isn’t against the rules. But he’s gained a massive advantage from it. The ball was controlled using the arm, intentional or not.
It seems like basically every rule implemented is in favour of the attacker, not a surprise we’re seeing 5 goals every game.
I think this is good, if we see some attacker handling the ball we should just move away and let the ball go in goal, that way VAR will have to react as they would benefit from a handball and it would look silly. It's a good idea. Defenders could chip the ball onto the hands of attackers and then walk away to let them score, as more of an effective way of clearing the ball or wasting time. Forwards could do the same just in reverse.What if the West Brom defender had walked away from the ball instead of attempting to clear it?
...Chelsea score immediately and the goal gets ruled out for handball
If it doesn't count as handball, we should hoof it up to Martial who should grab the ball with his hands run inside the area, chip it up to the defenders hands and get a penalty. Attacker handling the ball doesn't count why not do this, just let another player take the penalty and Martial has nothing to do with a possible goal from a penalty.