Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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It always amazes me how people take every tweet that gets posted as the gospel...
Yea, this is over.
In what universe is pissing off millions of your fans who are going to be calling for your head, and that criticism will increase every time we lose equal sponsorships especially considering not signing sancho will directly affect our performance on the pitch? We have become the laughing stock of football, how is that a good look for sponsors?
And since you are such financially clued in genius why don't you tell us why is it that only utd seem this affected by covid among its competitors?
Why not just fecking ask them directly is he still for sale? Instead of just presuming so because they haven’t said he isn’t.Sounds like a direct response to this earlier claim
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Didn't think we could come across as anymore amateurish in our transfer dealings before this summer but then this saga happened
The incompetence of this club knows no bounds.
Maybe I'm too optimistic but the Zorc quote sounds more like "we rejected their offers, they need to pay 120mil". It doesn't really sound that the deal is dead.
If it was that simple they probably would've just sold Sancho and used the money to strengthen elsewhere (e.g. Hakimi), but it's not, they need Sancho and perhaps even another "true" winger until the youngsters prove they can step up.
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This has been dead in the water for ages, just the club briefing and trying to save face for a while, people are unable to accept it despite numerous evidence since they took over this club they are completely inept in the transfer window
I'm aboard until he signs or we die.
Long live this deal.
Which club do you support?
Exactly my thought too. When we spend 40m on VDB, I already knew we won't go for Sancho, we just didn't have enough fund to pursue any further.
Just wait until we try n lowball Championship side Watford for Sarr...Didn't think we could come across as anymore amateurish in our transfer dealings before this summer but then this saga happened
Deal isn't dead until the window closes or United come out and specifically say its over. We could end it all in minutes if we wanted too, the fact we haven't is telling.
Maybe Ed truly is the stubborn type who will wait till Monday to slap that cash on the table
Maybe Ed truly is the stubborn type who will wait till Monday to slap that cash on the table
Exactly, it does not take a financial expert to work that one out. Most fans would have understood that for the greater good of the squad, in this climate we cannot spend £110m on one player, instead we will buy 2/3 players worth up to £100m and sell 3/4 players worth up to £40m.
We should've loaned Bale!
No one knows what we've done. All we keep hearing is contradicting twitter nonsense. I'm not saying we haven't made a bid but it's obviously short of what BvB expect. We have most likely communicated with Sancho and stated BvB are not lowering their asking price and we're not bidding €120m so it's not happening. We can also believe Sancho has spoken with BvB and been told if United come in with an offer they will accept then they will let him move. Otherwise it's a game of chicken and right now United appear to be the chicken.
So why play footsie all summer? Surely we'd have just moved on if that was the case.
Woodward like the chase
The reported reasoning is even more laughable
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The same considerations were nowhere to be seen when we binned the likes of Januzaj and Zaha
What is so "laughable" about that? it actually makes a lot sense. DJ just signed. Since when do we resell players so quickly?!
Piecing together the timelines, briefings, claims and counter claims I've come to believe this is what has happened:Sounds like a direct response to this earlier claim
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Didn't think we could come across as anymore amateurish in our transfer dealings before this summer but then this saga happened
Initially United approached Dortmund about Sancho and Zorc had the conversation with Woodward that Klaverkamp mentioned. In this conversation Dortmund laid out their conditions and gave United a deadline to respond. United did not get back to Dortmund. Dortmund, wondering what had happened, decided to extend the initial deadline by 10 days. United still do not respond. Effectively taking it as if they'd been ghosted on social media, Dortmund then broke off all contact with United. You can argue whether or not this was the 'grown up' thing to do. However, its the seller's prerogative if you want their asset.
Joining the dots, from the time Dortmund refused to talk any further to United intermediaries became the only channel through which any talks could happen. Similar to what happened with City and Napoli over Koulibaly. The people involved dislike each other so much that they won't talk directly. You can argue that United did not do anything to meet with this level of hostility. However, as Eckner said there are egos involved. We maybe didn't have enough background information on the personalities involved to know that they would respond so negatively?
What to make of the contradictory stories about agents fees and personal terms? Based on the initial reports from the German side, it seems there was belief Sancho would move and an attempt was made to paint him as a money grabbing mercenary. Journalists close to the agent however e.g. Di Marzio's team came out with the opposite narrative: there was no issue with terms and Sancho was more than happy to fit into United's wage structure.
When it became clear that an offer wasn't coming anytime soon the German side quickly settled down. In fact there was a clear reverse ferret: Sancho was now a good kid, grateful to Dortmund, happy to stay another year, not even thinking about going on strike. This is when the Manchester press pack started talking about agents fees. For whatever reason, someone at United decided to try and explain away the lack of progress in making a bid by piggybacking on the initial German reports. I am guessing United's strategy was to wear Dortmund down by showing there was nobody else in the race for Sancho and come in with a late bid as the only option. However, United may have overestimated how badly Dortmund want to sell Sancho this summer.
After that there was a whole lot of nothing. United sources clearly wanted to keep a degree of momentum behind the story so, after a while, the Manchester press pack got the terms agreed story. This was, of course, immediately contradicted by the sources close to the agents who remained adamant that terms have never been an issue. Notably, by this point, there had been a big change in attitude among the German press: The German media had pretty much stopped talking about any potential deal and were moving from amusement/confusion about United's approach to indifference.
Increasingly we started seeing English reporters saying that while Dortmund were privately saying they wouldn't sell they hadn't communicated this to United. IMO this can be almost entirely attributed to the fact that Dortmund are refusing to speak to United directly out of spite. In the meantime the agents and intermediaries kept up with the same message, which has been effectively: put €120m on the table and the deal can happen. This is not very surprising given that at least one of the intermediaries apparently represents the player himself and its clear the player wants to move. The agents will therefore keep the hope of a move alive for as long as possible. We've all seen Raiola playing these games with Pogba, none of us is naïve. Sancho likely isn't that sick and likely can play. However, Dortmund are now pretty much in he's staying mode so they're not going to get the German media to give him both barrels.
Which brings us to where we are now: Intermediaries trying to make the deal happen. Dortmund pretty much saying it won't happen and United's strategy of trying to drive down the price having seemingly failed.
Final thoughts: I imagine if €120m was offered Dortmund would accept, despite insisting they won't sell. Its a lot of money. I do not however expect United to offer this sum. So I can see why Dortmund are behaving as if the deal won't happen.
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It doesn't make any sense because everyone can see that we made a blunder with James. We have a chance to upgrade to real quality then its foolish to think like that. Clubs with no ambition will think like that.
We all would have...
Loved to have seen it
But we move on, to the Sarr and Brooks threads we go.
Loved to have seen it
But we move on, to the Sarr and Brooks threads we go.
And that’s exactly our issue. He isn’t good enough for a top club. Anyone with eyes can see this. We’ll keep him though for 3 years, give him another contract and then send him on loan before making a loss because we’re categorically useless. Ed Woodward has no business making footballing decisions. If the football staff say he isn’t good enough then what credentials does he have to dispute that?
And that is the major part of the problem. We don't sell them quickly enough.
I’m not surprised by the reasoning as we have been doing this for far too long, offering contract extensions when they are clearly not good enough. But when we decide to sell it then becomes near impossible to get any decent money due to their wages and mins on the pitch.
The way it's going, he will get good chasing.
The clubs ability to develop young players, as shown by the abject failures of Rashford, Greenwood, Martial, Williams, McTominay and Henderson I presume?
Ed Woodward and the group of senior figures he leads, have forfeited their right to an opinion on what is right for the footballing side of the club.
Nope nope nope. Denial and optimism are my mantra.
Dan James must feel top of the world this being made public
Sorry bud won't catch me in either. Would rather retain the cash and make sure we get this over the line next summer.
No point wasting more money on sub-standard players.
It is something. Sancho is not agitating for a move and we are not going to stump up the cash to sign him. It’s over, Dembele or Sarr it is then.Such a nothing tweet that
No way can I support either of those moves
This is potentially a problem with selling other young players. We shouldn't be sticking with a player for so long until it's clear that we either don't rate them or they're clearly good enough. Look at Liverpool with the likes of Ibe and Solanke or Arsenal with Iwobi, if either club had kept those players just to prove a point, their values would have plummeted.
You buying this to be true? Ogden knows sweet feck all
Think Sancho will join when we come 5th or 6th. Nope.
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