I can see it now. The meltdown that shook the world.
I think the plan is still to get Sancho. Probably Jan or next season. Assuming we get CL next season, of course. Fail that, and it's bye bye Sancho.
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That's why you are here posting opinions. Ole is making decisions.
There is evidence that most of the so called injuries at PSG were convenient injuries because he didn't like the coach.
A loan deal for Cavani is a no brainer. He is 33, so is Jamie Vardy, Willian and a 36 year old Thiago Silva. Some signings are necessary short term fixes.
Ole is a manager who plays a lot of youth. He is not stupid to bring a veteran in the dressing room. He knows what impact that will have on the young players.
This one quite recent. In case people want to compare him with Lukaku.
So its based on what the King of ego says.
I've seen Cavani play a ton of matches and all I can say is that he's class and he scores some great goals but he also misses a bunch of open goals.
A harder stance on who? Who cares about your opinion at Manchester United?
They are running a football club with plenty of games to play this season. 4 competitions and they need numbers.
If the coach is happy with Cavani and the money men like Woodward think it makes financial sense, who are you to say am taking a harder stance?
Look at the bigger picture. No one is suggesting Cavani is the future here thats why he is coming on loan.Greenwood is. But he needs help he is only a kid.
I already did. Recent video of Cavani? That's 3 years ago....
If Ole wanted a big target man, we should have just kept Lukaku.
Have you even watched Cavani ever play? You keep labeling him as a big target man.
Lukaku could only dream to have his technical skills or movement
Cavani isn't the worst signing we've ever made, that's for sure. If you're going to make a risk-free punt on anyone, it may as well be on a world-class international who has produced the goods at every level of the game. Our young forward-line could do a lot worse than play and train with the likes of Cavani too.
If he fails: he cost nothing anyway.
If he succeeds: it will be seen as a masterstroke.
There is no lose here.
If he fails: he cost nothing anyway.
If he succeeds: it will be seen as a masterstroke.
There is no lose here.
It's lazy analysis but I'm not surprised, people see a South American striker with long hair and automatically assume it'll be just like the last time we had a South American striker with long hair
Not even going beyond their entirely different player and physical profiles
I'm not sure, but I think Ole didn't like Lukaku because his technique/first touch wasn't good. Ole likes skillful players. Check out the Cavani videos. He really is skillful.I thought we got rid of Lukaku because Ole prefers the fast type of forwards, instead of big target men? Fast forward a bit and we end up panic buying this 33 year old, injury prone guy on transfer deadline day.
Also iinm, Cavani carried PSG for years, before and even after all the stars joined. His experience and confidence is something I hope he can have a positive influence on the younger players. Even if he turns out to be a crock.
The other video that was shared was a lot older. Hence I decided to share this one. And it was meant to address concerns he is another Lukaku. Which we can safely say, he is not.
Exactly.
His last season was quite worrying if it was to be his new consistent level but it's difficult to say if it's pure decline or if it's because he struggled to gain momentum and wasn't used to such long periods of injury and being benched.
I'm not convinced MUFC and EPL are the best place to turn things around but on a free he could be a good surprise.
Are you telling me 33 year old Cavani is better than Lukaku now? Lukaku is 27, in his prime. Cavani is 33 injury prone and hasnt played football in half a year. people are posting videos of him 3 years ago. You can't be serious.
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I shared the Napoli one on purpose to be honest to further please the hating crowd
But it's not just that is it?It's lazy analysis but I'm not surprised, people see a South American striker with long hair and automatically assume it'll be just like the last time we had a South American striker with long hair
Not even going beyond their entirely different player and physical profiles
It's panic buying a 33 year old player on large wages in the final days of the window having seen Sanchez and Falcao fail in similar circumstances. That may well be unfair on Cavani and we all hope it is, but the deal isn't taking place in a vacuum and we can all understand why people are wary.
Haha, no worries. No harm done.
There’s a difference between wary and flat out over the top hate that’s going on in here
So guys, just one thing people seem to be ignoring.. he can also play the role Greenwood currently plays cutting in from the RW.
Again, all indications are that he will not be on massive wages. Definitely not Sanchez or Falcao level. And it is a 1 year deal with an option for 1 more year. I understand the wariness, but it seems like the risk is already mitigated.
With both Sancho and Dembele falling through, that means Greenwood stays on the right wing. And with Ighalo leaving in Jan, that leaves us with only Martial as the dedicated striker. Cavani meets a short term need that we have. And he seems like he will be an upgrade on Ighalo. So, for now, we can only hope for the best.
So can Mata, to be fair. He was actually just chosen as our player of the month.
'Wow brilliant. Another striker that we can play on the wing instead of getting a proper Right Winger.
Cheers. That doesn't sound great
There isn’t really such thing as a proper winger these days, aren’t they more like wing forwards? So striker winger is a lot different to the old 442 Giggs wingers
it’s not like putting Cantona on the wing in a 442. Cavani has played as a wide forward for PSG hasn’t he?
All the stuff about wages is being overstated big time when we have zero clue on any real figures and the ones being floated around amount to a steep pay cut from his last club.
It doesn't compare to Sanchez who was made the highest paid player in the league instantly and was brought in to be a main man, this isn't that.
Falcao on the other hand was a low risk transfer but he was coming off a career threatening injury. Cavani isn't being brought in to be our main man nor is he coming off catastrophic injury, a 1+1 year deal to provide a better alternative option in attack is a low risk proposition for the club.
If it doesnt work out we can cut ties after a year, if it works out and he scores some goals for us, great. It's not nearly as doom and gloom a signing as the hysterics and incessant moans are painting it out to be
You can critique the merits of the transfer on its own but that's not what people have been doing, they're projecting all of their frustration over this window and our management onto this along with their worst assumptions when nothing has even been finalized yet.
Cavani is a Striker, a Centre Forward, a number 9 like RVP or RVN. Sancho is a winger.
I agree with all this.
To be fair the more I’ve seen of this thread, I think there’s a good few who come across quite sensible and are out weighing the people projecting their transfer window frustration on this deal, just about anyway
He'll score the ugly goals Ole wants. I actually think this signing has Ole written all over it tbh.
What’s it got to do with sancho? Was he going to play up front?
Van Persie was still first choice back then, and we also had Rooney though Van Gaal played him more often in midfield than up front.
I think the Falcao comparison is obvious: a last-minute deal for a South American striker whose injury record makes him a big question mark, signed to add some depth. Sure, Cavani didn't tear his ACL but on the other hand, he's five years older than Falcao was at the time.
That is true. IINM, he was sacrificed sometimes and played out wide like Rooney was, for the superstars, and he played through all that like a trooper.
Exactly.
I'm looking at whoscored stats for Cavani and can see 604 minutes.
Yeah the narrative will be ‘remember when we could have signed Sancho but opted to buy an over the hill Cavani instead!’
When in reality neither are connected, Cavani is just a relatively cheap upgrade on Ighalo who leaves in January.
Great signing with little risk.
Sure, and those arguments are all fine (if indeed it turns out to be the case), but - again - it's not about Cavani in isolation, it's people responding to a pattern of deal that we've seen the club make and get very little out of.
When you add to that to your second sentence and the general frustration that we're, probably, going to be starting the season with our best 11 being identical to last season you can understand why people are feeling deflated by the deal.
From my personal point of view, although I hope the deal will be a success, I think it's an example of the sort of transfer that the club has tried to pretend they wouldn't make under Ole and (along with the shambolic window generally) paints a picture of a club that just does not learn its lessons. If, at least, it's a substantial less risky proposition than Sanchez then it's one thing, but I'm not going to pretend I have any enthusiasm for a 33 year old Cavani in a United shirt (although I will fully admit I did not particularly rate him in his prime).
Of course, I wouldn't argue otherwise, but we also signed Ighalo as a stop gap signing to find someone else and are finding ourselves in the same position again. At a certain point it would be nice to actually make that signing and not just be stuck in a perpetual holding pattern of 'maybe next year me might get serious'.
As I've said though, rationally, there are arguments in favour of the deal, and for thinking it's better than Sanchez and Falcao, but it is awfully reminiscent of both of those deals and the club has absolutely zero credit in the back with anyone. People can be forgiven for thinking the worst.
cept for the wrath of the fans. See pages 15 to 65
So did Andy Cole
The risk that comes with this deal is simply that if it doesn’t work out we haven’t improved our attack. Several teams in the premier league have spent money and spent it well, if Cavani and VDB don’t improve us we can easily end up falling further behind.
It can‘t harm our defenders training against him either.
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